Seriously, when have you ever seen a knowledge DC in the game above 40?
Nice game playing, Omari.
I read a comic once where an RP game was involved. When they finally met the end boss, one of the players asked:
P: How high is the room above the BBEG?
GM: It's an open area. Up to the sky.
P: Then the enemy is dead.
GM: What?
P: Stacking up bonuses like Omari did (there was a bonus multiplier involved that doubled with every x of height of an attack coming from).
GM: Okay. May I finish my evil monologue before.
P: Sure, go ahead.
I really hope Pathfinder has no such loop holes for combat, or Omari will find it. XD
Seriously, when have you ever seen a knowledge DC in the game above 40?
IMO, the GM is allowed to protect his plot by saying "That's not written down anywhere you could possibly get it, DC 732".
It was an answer to Samuel's "Will add those spells if it will help." Nothing to get here for improving the rolls beyond 54.
Here is what I have so far to determine the properties/trigger(s) for the scroll:
identify +10
spellcraft +14
channel vigor (divine) +4 knowledge competence
prayer (cleric) +1 luck
Visualization of The Mind cleric +5 bonus
heroic fortune (needs GM approval) can add 8 to any d20 roll
moment of greatness double that morale bonus +2
guidance +1 competence (divine)
herosim +2 morale
fox's cunning +2 ability
+41 or 49 depending on the heroic fortune
Thoughts? Ruling?
Entering Kakishon is not the next step of the adventure.
Here is what I have so far to determine the properties/trigger(s) for the scroll:
identify +10
spellcraft +14
channel vigor (divine) +4 knowledge competence
prayer (cleric) +1 luck
Visualization of The Mind cleric +5 bonus
heroic fortune (needs GM approval) can add 8 to any d20 roll
moment of greatness double that morale bonus +2
guidance +1 competence (divine)
herosim +2 morale
fox's cunning +2 ability+41 or 49 depending on the heroic fortune
Thoughts? Ruling?
Visualization of the Mind (you could learn it as wizard spell though) and Channel Vigor are both personal, so I can't cast them on someone else... Tears to Wine would add a +2 though.
Still, given Foxy's comments, I think we should wander off to Katapesh to see Rayhan... And apologies to all for starting something - I occasionally get carried away with my own cleverness.
Agreed.
I liked the nice sidequest. I just directed it back on track now, as there is no more to gain from investigating yourself.
It was clear to me there was nothing else to gain in base of knowledge after Manuun's Lore Master use, but I did not want to be castrated once more for following the adventure breadcrumbs towards Katapesh.
Foxy, did Ohrmizd notice any magical aura in Radi when he used detect magic?
I am concerned about any illusion or polymorph magic working on here to mislead us.
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What aura has magic armor?
That should do a faint conjuration (creation) aura.
Magic armor, it depends what the magic armor is? Generic enhancement pluses are abjuration (IIRC), whereas individual special properties have an Aura listing on Aon, for example, Billowing is faint conjuration
The kitsune is toying with you.
@GM
Does this help any? Samuel took this trait:
Duskwalker Agent (Katapesh): You spent a portion of
your childhood working for the Duskwalkers, the guild
responsible for policing and watching over all trade that takes
place in Katapesh’s notorious Nightstalls. You have quite a bit
more spending cash than most others of your age as a result,
and start with twice the normal amount of starting gold. In
addition, your reputation remains strong in the Nightstalls,
and any transactions you make there are always beneficial
to you; items you sell net you an additional 10% profit, and
items you purchase there are 10% cheaper than normal. This
discount also applies to your starting gear.
Does it help with what? Please state a question and I can tell you if that gives you a bonus on some roll. But as a Duskwalker, you for sure have heard of the One Source Merchants' Guild.
Yes, What does Sam know about The One Source Merchants' Guild with that background? just in case.
I'd be careful to trumpet your background out, or you might find yourself at the tip of on offer for redemption. ;)
I checked the map Ohrmizd provided and it doesn't have Kelmarane on it. I added a map from the Inner Sea World Guide. I think some of the geographical features Ohrmizd mentioned are not on the route.
Mmmm... weird! The map I put up is from Pathfinder Chronicles, Dark Markets, a Guide to Katapesh. This other map you are including seems from the World Guide, which is newer. It is strange for Paizo to have that kind of inconsistencies were they eat a whole river, but it can be explained with the second map being a zoom in (although I suspect they just decided to add it at a later time).
Just for reference, on the larger map, Kelmarane is marked with the number 36. Pyre Crest (28) and El-Fatar (33) also appear in both maps, so it is likely possible to reconcile them.
Weirdly enough I have found that River Scorpious cited in the Katapesh book! XD
It runs through the city of Katapesh, and appears on the map for the city provided in that same book, which I have added here to the map. In that maps the river appears xD
So I guess someone figured out a river was missing in the overland map and they added it when they edited the Inner Sea World Guide.
So the main change with your suggested route is now, that it is along the river?
Mmm... yeah, I think following the river is probably the easiest and safest route for us right now. Unless the river sees a lot of navigation up and down, which I doubt, being in a desert it is probably to be dry on some seasons and flooded on others (guessing some kind of small Nile?).
Samuel told me to stay above 1200 feet while doing lookout. It will take me 4 minutes to get to that altitude and 1 minute to return. That would place me at 1200 feet out and 1200 up. I found a line of sight calculator online and I should be able to see out to about 24 miles. Of course, I cannot see a medium sized creature at that range. Going from what I can see on long stretches of interstate I am thinking 3-5 miles??? IDK thoughts? Rulings?
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By the rules you'd be blind like a mole.
Noticing a visible creature is DC 0
DC increase by distance is +1/10ft
So the dragon's DC to see you on the ground is 120.
I don't think we'll go with that, but you're definitely not scanning miles ahead.
And that is so out of line with the ranged increments especially of the heavy crossbow at 120 ft increments. You can apparently aim at a target with range of 1200 ft at -20 and -10 at 600 feet. Perception at 600 feet is -60. There is a large variance between -60 and -10. Seeing something and hitting something is very different. Seeing should be easier, not exponentially more difficult than hitting it with a ranged weapon. IRL I know I can identify an individual at 600 feet.
My conjuration immediately goes for the gm and rules. LOL. I do not think I can dismiss him. Need to look into that.
Couple questions while I am at it. Loot appears to be completely empty. Is that correct?
Do we have traveling gear like camels, tables, chairs, etc?
Looks like you need to use the blind fight feat when shooting that far. :D
No one is going to sneak up to you unnoticed while you're in open lands and it is day. If someone tries, you get a minute's warning. But I'm not providing descriptions of everything happening on the 9 to 25 square miles around your position.
I am trying to be constructive on finding a way for the group to be able to interact and avoid making a solo mission out of this.
But if you prefer, I am more than ok with Ohrmizd taking the risk of infiltrating the gnolls alone and having the group looking in the distance for trouble, I think in a book or movie that will work pretty well, but I did not want to go for a solution that does not offer you the opportunity to be in the action.
If the problem is the group prefers to engage this just as another combat, ok, let's not lose more time with discussions then.
Never split the party.
@Omari
And we could start off with a lantern archon that has an aura of menace. Will DC 13 or -2 to hit, ac and saves for 24 hours.
Hey everyone, just dropping a line to let you know I will be traveling until next Saturday, and hard pressed to do any posting at all. Please feel free to bot me if/as needed!
Simple question: Straight through the former battle field, or around it through the cacti? Still unanswered.
LOL. Is it always like this or did I mess you up somehow? If so, please ignore my presence and do whatever it is that you do. /LOL.
Nah, it is not Jafar. We always have issues settling on the way forward. I would further discuss with you the plan, but Omari usually has strong opinions on how to engage the encounters, so it is better to wait for him to speak up his ideas and have some back and forth doubts solving with Foxy before committing on a concrete course of action.
Good to hear that. Thank you. I suspected Omari would be of strong opinion. The shadow conjuration does not require tentacles. There are probably 20 spells I could cast that way or none at all. I plan to be flexible and add to what the party has built up so far.
Who fabricated the plan that got you killed, Ohrmizd?
How often does this Omari post? See you in gameplay.
Ok, completely out of character question here. Foxy, do you really want to run a combat with 30 or so participants on a forum game, or should we perhaps try a social solution?
I'm through this fight on the boards once, I'll do it again. But it is up to you, how you approach this.
But something to consider: Time doesn't stop, while you argue over plans in game. And dragons in the sky are a dead giveaway that something is afoot.
Who fabricated the plan that got you killed, Ohrmizd?
The Carrion King's plan got him killed.
We kind of stumbled with him, tried to improvise something remaining in the tunnel to lure them while throwing ranged attacks at them, but it did not work that well.
And dragons in the sky are a dead giveaway that something is afoot.
What dragons in the sky?
Gnolls to death worm. Talk about a bait and switch. Whew.
What's the spell to summon red again?
Whats the reach of the breath weapon?
Pseudodragon doesn't seem to have fly by attack. If I didn't miss it somewhere then place red on the map for the attack.
Draconic Ally
30 foot cone
Standard action and move.
He was 5 feet in front of Samuel which gave him a distance of 30 feet. He is now 60 feet away and not returning to this fight.
Seems we stumbled with another giant worm.
The cacti was perhaps a better option this time.
Have I told you I always died on the "Choose your own adventure" books?
Oh well!
Agreed, Ohrmizd.
@Foxy - Placed red on the map where he was when he blew fire. He is now off of the map.
Roryx said he will be out for the whole week.