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He feels that Raveen has gotten a bit too self-important, and needs to learn some humility.
Hah! Quite so. It's ironic, because he is asking humility from Tal. But considering how the conversation went, we really hit a heavy road block just now, with ultimatums from both groups, and bad blood running.
But regarding the agreement, I will say this for the record: I see why this might be cause for anxiety, but I invite everyone to talk about this.
It's always difficult to handle group dynamics. We ain't gonna solve the issue of why humans are not cooperative with one another easily, or how some (like Raveen in-game) may be so threatened that they are willing to loose their cool into a furious rage when they established themselves (or believe that they are) calm, intelligent, and strategic. It's a character/personality thing.
It becomes especially difficult in D&D. With the intricacies of the adventure and the gameplay, personalities surface, and you sometimes find it difficult to detach player from character. Again--we must always remember that we are friends OOC.
Now, ultimatums are not always final, as we established. It's just a difficult forecast so far. However, with both men's pride being wounded, it will require healing, and promises (and compromises) from both sides.
But we really got to identify the problem first.
I wish to hear everyone's input first before stating what I have in mind.
That includes you, DM. You're managing this.
I think the easiest method and one proposed by RichD and seconded by Mera and Naberius is that IC we separate and return in the morning. That gives a logical way of tempers to cool and both parties to save face.
Others possible options while keeping everyone together:
1) We ignore the last 20 posts as Raveen never made the perception check in hindsight as the door was closed and parties were whispering raising the DC to 20+.
2)Janiven and Areal talk to Tal and Raveen individually and work something out to get both to cooperate. Not that they will ever like each other but to at least cooperate.
3)We go back to square 1 and ignore the entire conflict and talk of spilling blood. Not the best option but at least it gets us past this road block moving forward.
4)What is it that Raveen is actually looking for as I really do not know IC or OOC. Once that is known we can address that and see if there is a compromise. The 2 things I can think of, but feel that is not the main cause, is that he does not want Lily at all involved even though all of us just met and don't know each other and that Tal threatened to spill his blood as proof of his claim. While I can understand that second part it was only after Tal was tired of being pushed constantly.
For what it is worth I will try to copy what Naberius did and give some insight both IC and OOC.
IC, Tal's whole purpose is tied to Lily. Obvious at this point but still starting there. He is not the most charismatic and ruffles feathers and stumbles a lot. He has a defined sense of self worth and being a bodyguard had given him a taste of what following orders is like. He will defer to the leader of the group, Janiven/Areal, but does not look favorably on others trying to tell him what to do or ordering him about. Having grown up always being big Tal is quick to resort to using strength to solve problems as most are when they have that advantage. There is also a lot of a locker room mentality in that 2 men yell at each other smack each other on the shoulder and then everything is resolved after that so they go get drinks. I tried to be evident about this when Tal hit Raveen earlier after Raveen was found to be deceiving Tal.
OOC I will admit some frustration as I tried to convince both Raveen and Naberius with thought out arguments that I felt were ignored completely. You could argue that is was a case of 'hearing what you wanted to hear' but I was curious as to what both of their motives were and never got an answer. Some comments were misconstrued and interpreted differently. For example when Tal said to 'let Naberius take on the next hellknight' I meant if Tal was gone from the party. Who would be the front line type to protect the others in the back. I realize now that that was taking as Tal being right next to Naberius and letting the Hellknight have free reign at the wizard.
Also OOC I do not plan on running Lily as a PC and being involved. I look at her more like a RP piece that RichD can use to filter information through or to have interesting conversations with the rest of you. I quite enjoyed the RP with Monday, Tuesday and Mera and trying to have Tal react to having 2 beautiful women in his house while keeping Lily from dismissing them and scolding him. Please do not think that I am trying to get to run 2 characters and that she will level up as well. I have not talked to RichD about this but the only way that would happen I would fathom is if Tal took leadership which I am not planning on at this point.
Hope this helps and I won't be on much tomorrow and not at all tomorrow night.
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Splitting up does nothing unless we agree here.
Tal/Neltiji, our main issue (as it appears to me) is communication. While Tal's motives were clear (both IC and OOC) to the two, it is apparently not so the other way around. I'm actually mystified at this, as I think that everyone stated their intentions adequately.
We could have discussed this earlier--but no matter. Might as well clarify this now. Perspective is very important. I will not reply to the options posted, as they are treating the symptoms, not the problem (which is that we are clearly not on the same page).
So here it is:
If that is a problem then I can leave now or let you face the next armored hellknight by yourself.
Naberius tried appealing to his sensible side by citing that it was a foolish idea: bringing her here will only increase the risk to her. Tal refused, and put his foot down.
2: Raveen, feeling the beginnings of a struggle and seeing Tal issuing his ultimatum, offered an alternative: If Lily was threatened, we can give protection. We can even give information to her (that does not jeopardize the group).
Knowing his abilities, he can get a letter dropped on her pillow as she sleeps.
Mera interjects, and agrees with the assessment of the two, suggesting a valid solution that appeals to the group's leader.
"I do believe that they hold valid points. I believe her presence here has increased the immediate risk to her. Perhaps you could speak to Janiven and expedite the process?"
3. A: Naberius demanded to know how useful Lily is to the group. Tal said that she is his emotional support. Naberius apparently was not impressed. Tal threatened to leave again.
3. B: Raveen wanted Lily to be ran through scrutiny, repeating that he does not oppose her entry as long as we are all comfortable with it. Tal (again) refused.
Split:
Raveen got irritated at the man's unwillingness to compromise or hear any other alternative, and let out the stress earlier from today (when Tal left formation) to humble him.
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Post one: "To me, sister!" He calls to Mera, drawing a dagger and throwing it at the nearest unwounded Hellknight, before retreating behind the south-eastern tree.
Post two:
Yes, *I* know that but since Mera is first in initiative she wouldn't have heard you shout that until she had acted unfortunately. She was heading that way anyway but didn't double-move because she felt like her allies needed her help.
'Her allies' in this context was Tal, since he was the one who engaged.
[On the importance of formation]
Long story short: Raveen believes Tal should have remained under the bridge until the 3-4 Hellknights follow Mera and he behind the trees into the traps and get pacified from combat.
Once Tal did leave before the specified time from under the bridge and faced the Hellknights, Mera felt the need to support him by staying in the line of fire, although Raveen told her to follow him. The bridge was not held--because once he stood on it, Mera was exposed to the attacks (including the critical hit) of the Hellknights.[/formation]
It really is a big deal to move out of formation before the designated point from a tactical stand. In-character, that was big risk. Raveen blamed Tal, and his opinion of him worsened. He began using language that was not very diplomatic, and started to antagonize the man (with the intention to humble him, but it was antagonistic nonetheless).
"Lady Mera has been gracious enough to not press the blunder you got her into when you broke formation and disobeyed orders. Kindly consider the rest of us before you make decisions.
I have begun questioning your decision-making, Sir Tal: for your talk of trust, you give us very little.
Unless we all so agree, she does not attend, and you shall keep her in the dark, just as you shall have a say in our collective choices.
4: That was not the right way to say that to Tal. He in turn blames Raveen for allowing to get Mera surrounded, which Raveen finds baffling and indictive of poor tactical and reasoning skills.
5: Naberius (along with Raveen) told Tal that any decision with making new additions must be run through the group. To that purpose, Raveen suggested meeting with Lily so we could resolve the issue by letting her in through the normal process as any other new addition. Tal (and Monday) refused anything of the sort. Raveen swallowed his anger and Tal's reply to his tactical assessment, and asked Tal to stop threatening to leave and cooperate--or act on his words.
"Tal, please humor us for now: today's discussions will not leave this room.
"I will speak to Mrs. Mainz myself after this, and we will count her input if she wishes to join or learn of whatever unsavory things we might be planning.
"However, if you cannot keep a secret from her--we might have to keep all this a secret from you until you vow to follow our judgment. It will only get worse from here on out, so kindly reach out to us as we did to you."
At the end, against Tal's repeated uncompromising speeches, he fed up against what he saw as pigheadedness, irrationality, and foolishness that will get them all killed, and asked Tal to put his money where his mouth was.
Now, here is what happened before. Here is what we conclude:
Naberius wants to know what Lily can contribute, and how useful she can be. Let's call that DEMAND A.
Raveen also wanted much of the same, and he does not appreciate threats to leave on grounds not even contested. What he wants is to be ran through any decisions and have his choice respected when it comes to new members. Let's call that DEMAND B.
Tal wants to include his wife--although none of the above characters actually take offense on that point as long as they are informed and taken into consideration.
Monday agrees with Tal. She believes that Lily should be in the loop.
Mera and Janiven try to mediate, and ask if there is a compromise.
Tal threw up his hands and left. Mera and Janiven went to convince him to return, and they met Lily (as Raveen suggested he do). She spoke to both, and she in effect spoke for the group (as Naberius and Raveen believe her to hold their interests at heart--refer to quote on Point 2.
She (in effect) fulfilled Raveen's DEMAND B.
Janiven then learned what Lily might contribute to the group (information-gathering and moral support).
Naberius's DEMAND A was fulfilled; we know what she can contribute, and DM RichD emphasized that through Janiven's thoughts.
So, Raveen is to this point actually very much satisfied! He also believes Naberius should be as well: although they were effectively circumvented from the decision process, they were represented adequately by the two women they trusted. I was readying myself for a scene later with Raveen explaining to Naberius that there is always an unexpected way to get what you want--and that they will be using this during the struggle against the crown.
That is why (later), he says,
"Here's some perspective, Tal: in the end, nothing you did meant anything: we wished to learn of what Lily can contribute, and we did.
We wished for you to run your demands through us, and we got our way, one avenue or the other. You did nothing but waste our time. You waste more coming back."
Now, here's the next big issue: what made Raveen go into a hissy fit if he believes Tal did what he wanted both ways?
Repeated threats to spill blood are bad, Jim, both IC and OOC.
OOC, I don't believe I have to explain why: inter-party violence is bad. I am hyper aware to this point, and Raveen's backstory has betrayal and double-faces as a central theme.
IC, this not only severely undermined Raveen's trust in Tal to the breaking point, but in Mera and Janiven as well. He believes the two were guarding his interests (as he does theirs), but is disheartened to know that they were cool with it (or humored Tal)--or did not instantly put a lid on it and called Tal out on it.
That is everything (unless I missed something). I hope everything is clear now.
Again--my input (and suggestion) comes until the rest have posted, but the course with the greatest chance of success here is the following, since Tal says that the issue was not so clear before.
A: Tal formally withdraws such talk, declares refraining from it ever again towards any member of the group, and vows to never fight Raveen (unless with a good enough DM-exploitable loophole).
B: Raveen would then withdraw any accusations to Tal, keep his peace with regards to his wife, and pretend this never happened.
Sure, tension would remain (beautiful, plot-relevant, character-developing tension), but if both men declare that they are men of their words, then Alignment, the Cause, and peer pressure at least, binds them together.
Godmodding is usually discouraged.
Instances in which Tal describes himself as 'punching Raveen' without Raveen's input are not appreciated, nor are (admittedly light-hearted and good-natured) back-of-the-head smacks from Monday or Tuesday.
They are not respectful to a player's control over his character, and do not occur unless either the player agrees, or a check is rolled (adhering to mechanics), forcing the player to agree. It's like if Raveen says 'I kick Lily in the mouth'.
You usually either roll an attack roll, or you run it with the player first, where you consider their input.
I strongly encourage everyone to respect the other player's input with regards to his character.
I don't want this to sound like Tal won
Sigh. This really doesn't help anyone--even if right.
Plezse give your input Raveen as I would like to hear it before I am off for the rest of the day and into tomorrow sometime.
Godmodding is usually discouraged.
Instances in which Tal describes himself as 'punching Raveen' without Raveen's input are not appreciated, nor are (admittedly light-hearted and good-natured) back-of-the-head smacks from Monday or Tuesday.
They are not respectful to a player's control over his character, and do not occur unless either the player agrees, or a check is rolled (adhering to mechanics), forcing the player to agree. It's like if Raveen says 'I kick Lily in the mouth'.
You usually either roll an attack roll, or you run it with the player first, where you consider their input.
I strongly encourage everyone to respect the other player's input with regards to his character.
Uh what? No, this is interacting, violent interacting, but not "godmodding". Godmodding would be "I hit Raveen and he gets knocked to the ground". You have input and reactions, I haven't taken control of your character away from you. You could have rolled with it, you also could have dodged or blocked it. You're still completely in control of your character and their actions/reactions.
And definitely won't be rolling an attack roll, that would be full on pvp.
OOC I will admit some frustration as I tried to convince both Raveen and Naberius with thought out arguments that I felt were ignored completely. You could argue that is was a case of 'hearing what you wanted to hear' but I was curious as to what both of their motives were and never got an answer. Some comments were misconstrued and interpreted differently. For example when Tal said to 'let Naberius take on the next hellknight' I meant if Tal was gone from the party. Who would be the front line type to protect the others in the back. I realize now that that was taking as Tal being right next to Naberius and letting the Hellknight have free reign at the wizard.
I apologise for any OOC frustration I might have caused. That was certainly not my intention. If you felt ignored, that is probably because of character differences. Basically all of Tal's arguments were very emotionally loaded, while Naberius was looking for something more pragmatic and logical. Due to his background he does not have a very good understanding of familial love. He was also trying to establish a dialogue for how the group is going to inform the lower ranks of their organisation in general, but that backfired. He now understands that this was a mistake, and is waiting to bring that topic up later. Cutting his losses, basically.
As for Tal questioning his motives, he was deliberately trying to avoid answering that question. He was genuinely insulted that he would be accused of being selfish (and used that as a cover), while from his perspective Tal was the one who was putting his own needs before the greater good. He is uncapable of understanding how any one person could be so important. I did understand what you meant by the Hellknight bit. However, by saying that he would not be around to protect him, Tal was essentially saying "this person is more important than the lives of everyone else in this city, including all of yours." That is Naberius' definition of selfishness. It is obvious Tal's definition differs from his.
Everything must be in context: do you (or anyone else) have any questions/different perceptions/objections regarding the events?
Your summary of the events seems accurate, though it is mayhaps a little bit too long for a casual read. I think Tal might have his answer somewhere in there... :)
A: Tal formally withdraws such talk, declares refraining from it ever again towards any member of the group, and vows to never fight Raveen (unless with a good enough DM-exploitable loophole).
B: Raveen would then withdraw any accusations to Tal, keep his peace with regards to his wife, and pretend this never happened.
Sure, tension would remain (beautiful, plot-relevant, character-developing tension), but if both men declare that they are men of their words, then Alignment, the Cause, and peer pressure at least, binds them together.
This solution seems fine to me. Both apologise, neither has to lose face. Someone needs to suggest it in character, though. Perhaps Raveen himself, after the rest?
The bodily harm threats. That threw everything out of the window and took everyone back to square one--and now things are ten times more personal, because a declaration of violent intent is involved, and now every character is defensive, angry, and forming factions.
Repeated threats to spill blood are bad, Jim, both IC and OOC.
I understand that due to your past experiences (IC or OOC) you might misconstrue Tal's threats as a serious threat of violence between party members, but I don't think we've come close to actual PvP. At least from my perspective, Tal's reactions were completely in character. How would you assume a person who fights for a living responds to being repeatedly taunted?
As a norm, such threats are not cool, but I don't see any OOC intention of causing PvP. That is where things fall apart. Naberius already condemned such talk of violence in an IC post, but as he and you yourself have described, Raveen himself is not without guilt. As it is, I fear that his posturing is more damaging to the group in the long run than Tal's blunder of speech.
Godmodding is usually discouraged.
I think there is definitely a big difference between 'a smack to the head' and god-modding. Like Tuesday trying to hug Naberius, you still have the chance to say 'no,' and explain in a post why that doesn't happen. As you say, this is more of an issue of wording things so that the option is apparent in the post. It is a good thing to keep that in mind when writing posts, but you still shouldn't feel limited by the language.
IMO...This is what I think should happen. Everyone calls it a 'night' and the next morning chalks the unpleasantries to the stress of the last two days. Next morning some sort of apology is said by all concerned - AND accepted. We then move forward with the business at hand.
IMO...What this would mean for the PC's:
Raveen: As a 'survivor', while Raveen might not be happy that a threat was made against him, he will be savvy enough to recognize a 'weak' spot in Tal and will keep that in his back pocket if he needs it later. i.e. That man wishes to do me harm? Hey Tal! Did you hear what that guy just said about Lily?
Tal: As a 'Fighter', he also recognizes a weakness in Raveen that he might also keep in his back pocket. He will know he can't use that 'jock' mentality with Raveen. i.e. I'm going to kick your a$$ and then we'll go for beers! He will know he will have to word things differently with Raveen as he would Janiven or Ermolos.
Naberius: As a 'Scholar', he realizes that he is dealing with an emotional group of people, not bad, but not his cup of tea either. He also realizes that he is outnumbered and will choose his 'battles' carefully.
Again, I don't care if Raveen and Tal give each other side eyes for a while until something happens to build up trust, but I think they have both been around enough to say, "hmmm..I'll just hold on to this nugget of information." and continue with the big picture, the big plan.
Again, I love all of your characters (even when I'm trying to kill them or lock them up for an eternity :) ) and I would hate to see this campaign not continue with these characters.
That's my input.
IMO...This is what I think should happen. Everyone calls it a 'night' and the next morning chalks the unpleasantries to the stress of the last two days. Next morning some sort of apology is said by all concerned - AND accepted. We then move forward with the business at hand.
Raveen's suggestion above seems to mirror this as well, so as long as both he and Tal agree to exchange apologies, this is probably what is going to happen. I'm not sure if anyone needs Naberius to apologise at this point, but he can if that is required to get us moving again. He already dropped the issue and welcomed Lily as cordially as he can, which I think is closest he will come to an apology, being who he is.
Naberius: As a 'Scholar', he realizes that he is dealing with an emotional group of people, not bad, but not his cup of tea either. He also realizes that he is outnumbered and will choose his 'battles' carefully.
That sums up Naberius' view of the situation pretty well.
OK, I don't know what the hell happened. But I haven't seen an update in the campaign tab here for two days so I came to post what's going on only to find two whole pages of new discussion, I'm thoroughly confused!
Holy geez people there is a whole lotta talk about stuff. Let's just table it, rest for the night and pick things up there. I think everyone has a good idea of what peoples intentions and I think it's time to move on as this scene is definitely over in my mind. I feel like we are beating a dead horse at this point so to speak.
*nods*
So are we all good? Next morning? Back in the office?
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@GM: I like the suggestions.
Well, I'm actually waiting on Tal's confirmation; I'd hate to leave something unexplained, hazy, or ambiguous to him.
Since he's away in both cases, we'll have to wait for his input before we continue in the first place.
Raveen's suggestion above seems to mirror this as well, so as long as both he and Tal agree to exchange apologies, this is probably what is going to happen.
Quite so. It's best to have an OOC agreement at any rate. I'd prefer to have the scene end with Raveen suggesting this uneasy agreement IC if we're all on the same page OOC before we call it a night. It gives everyone a chance to maul it over.
@Naberius:
As you say, this is more of an issue of wording things so that the option is apparent in the post. It is a good thing to keep that in mind when writing posts, but you still shouldn't feel limited by the language.
I understand your point, Naberius. However, it requires a retcon in most cases: what if a third character builds on the interactions before the other party contributes?
Example: If Character A stated that they hug Character B, and Character C joins in the hug or makes a joke, Character B has to go along with it.That is why I prefer a more open request. As of yet, nothing serious happened, but the concern may be a pet peeve for some.
It might be because... I'm kind of a shy guy IRL (believe it or not). I'm therefore sort of sensitive to things that may inconvenience anyone, so I'd therefore like to apologize for any percieved delay, Mera. Believe me, I wouldn't slow this down unless I felt it was very necessary.
I feel like we are beating a dead horse at this point so to speak.
Dead things rarely stay dead in Golarion...
Although Naberius may (IC) ensure that the horse remains dead.
I understand your point, Naberius. However, it requires a retcon in most cases: what if a third character builds on the interactions before the other party contributes?
That is why I prefer a more open request. As of yet, nothing serious happened, but the concern may be a pet peeve for some.
Yes, I'll be sure to keep that in mind. Unfortunately, there are bound to be some misunderstandings regardless.
Holy geez people there is a whole lotta talk about stuff. Let's just table it, rest for the night and pick things up there. I think everyone has a good idea of what peoples intentions and I think it's time to move on as this scene is definitely over in my mind. I feel like we are beating a dead horse at this point so to speak.
I think it was good to clarify things. There were definitely some OOC misunderstandings that might have affected the scene, and it's important to clear those up. The horse was still twitching, to stretch the idiom.
So are we all good? Next morning? Back in the office?
Tal is absent at an inconvenient time, but I'm sure he'll agree to make peace. We can answer whatever questions he might have on character motivations while we move along.
Perhaps Raveen can post his IC suggestion for a truce while we wait? Just to make this official...
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Yes, I'll be sure to keep that in mind. Unfortunately, there are bound to be some misunderstandings regardless.
Aye. It's the price we have to pay to roleplay at our leisure, however--that is why communication is such a critical skill.
Perhaps Raveen can post his IC suggestion for a truce while we wait? Just to make this official...
Sure. Might as well, right? I was waiting to drop some hints for a while now. Sigh--so much character to explore, so little time.
What? It could be miscommunication, but it sounds like you want the Bastards to ride undead horses. hmmm undead, zombie, hell-touched horses! :)
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What? It could be miscommunication, but it sounds like you want the Bastards to ride undead horses. hmmm undead, zombie, hell-touched horses! :)
I KNEW I shouldn't let my ideas in the open!
Actually--I've just thought of something. Would there be a sub-order of Hellknights called Devil-Knights? I know signifiers exist, but Asmodean Paladins were ret-conned. This might be a good way to reintroduce them.
...I'm doing it AGAIN!
If I ever offer to GM a game, just run. Take your character with you.
Edit: Found it! It's an old one, but Sprite #4 (under Misc sprites) serves the purpose of the Pallid Knight.
I hope the DM doesn't use it against us.
Undead Hellknights? That does sound familiar...
Bog Unicorn!
Bog Unicorn!
I had to look that up. Pretty cool. At least they've been doing something right since I stopped following the Dragon Age franchise...
I haven't gotten very far in Inquisition but I'm liking what I've played so far :3
I hear it's pretty good, but I'm having a hard time getting into Bioware games again. I really hated what they did with Dragon Age II. That, combined with the fiasco that was the ending to Mass Effect 3, I've lost a lot of faith in the company. What do you think, how hard would be to get into the game without playing Dragon Age II? I would rather just skip it, but there seem to be a lot of characters and plot points in play that were introduced in the previous game... At least judging by the trailers and gameplay I've seen.
While there are characters from 2 I feel it wouldn't detract too much since your playing a new character rather than Hawke, that and with the Keep system you can make decisions and import them to help form the world rather than having to play the whole game again.
Granted I will always recommend playing the previous games in the series but it's not a deal breaker for Inquisiton if you don't, you'll just be going in with a different perspective.
Sorry guys and gals, today was longer than I expected to get back to my computer. Date night last night with supper didn't set well with my wife and I had to take care of the kids all day. Thankfully all 3 are now asleep.
Anyways, I am good with letting things go and reconvening in the morning.
As for godmodding I am fine with people taking some liberties as far as Tal and Lily go when it comes to pranks, head slaps, hugs, slaps on the back etc. PbP almost requires a bit of it to have decent interactions unless 2 people are on at the same time for a while.
Carry on everyone.
No worries, Tal. :)
While there are characters from 2 I feel it wouldn't detract too much since your playing a new character rather than Hawke, that and with the Keep system you can make decisions and import them to help form the world rather than having to play the whole game again.
Granted I will always recommend playing the previous games in the series but it's not a deal breaker for Inquisiton if you don't, you'll just be going in with a different perspective.
Okay, good to know. I guess I could just read up on the plot of the second game to get a general picture of what has happened in the world. That is the absolute maximum amount of time I'm willing to spend on it.
But Merrill and Fenris are adorable!
Didn't go any further since Origins myself.
Yeah, same. I'm sure there are are cool aspects to the second game, but the artstyle and gameplay completely ruined it for me. I really liked Origins, but they changed too much.
The gameplay in Inquisition is a mix of the two, more action oriented like 2 but still feels like a RPG like in Origins, that and you can switch to a tactical view.
And the world is f%%&ing GORGEOUS! And HUGE! And no reused maps!
The gameplay in Inquisition is a mix of the two, more action oriented like 2 but still feels like a RPG like in Origins, that and you can switch to a tactical view.
And the world is f+!@ing GORGEOUS! And HUGE! And no reused maps!
From what little I've seen, it's definitely an improvement.
:3
So who is spending the night at the hideout and who is spending the night at someplace else? If you are spending the night at someplace else, are you doing anything in the morning before heading to the hideout or are you heading their straightaways?
I am prepared to pick up the next morning when you all wake up/arrive at the hideout unless their is someplace/something your character wants to do beforehand.
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Raveen is spending the night in his other house.
He will not be heading to the hideout in the morning: he has his regular job, some checks to make (information, forgeries, and networking to do), and some time to think on what happened, as well as the next step.
If he ever visits the hideout, it will probably be late in the evening. I will describe everything he does in a relevant post.
@Tal: I haven't had any input regarding the events so far.
So who is spending the night at the hideout and who is spending the night at someplace else? If you are spending the night at someplace else, are you doing anything in the morning before heading to the hideout or are you heading their straightaways?
I am prepared to pick up the next morning when you all wake up/arrive at the hideout unless their is someplace/something your character wants to do beforehand.
As demonstrated by that lovely bit of roleplaying with Monday, Naberius is spending the night at the temple. I assume the others will do so as well, unless the Mainzes want to brave the night to get back home. He has nothing to do outside the base in the morning.
Raveen is spending the night in his other house.
He will not be heading to the hideout in the morning: he has his regular job, some checks to make (information, forgeries, and networking to do), and some time to think on what happened, as well as the next step.If he ever visits the hideout, it will probably be late in the evening. I will describe everything he does in a relevant post.
Just a suggestion: since you did not tell anyone you have errands to run, I think everyone else is assuming we will meet first thing in the morning. Your intelligence gathering might do us more good after the meeting, as well. As it is, we don't really know what our next objective is, aside from having something to do with hindering the Bastards. Could you rearrange your schedule so that you pop in for the meeting before 'work?'
I don't mind waiting for a little while more, but I can see the GM chomping at the bit to get the plot moving again. :D
Tal will be staying at the shrine as he is not going to risk the night beasts for no reason other than being home for the night.
Raveen, I was letting the matter drop as we see things differently with different perspectives. Since we have a solution I was not going to worry about rehashing items that are behind us.
I agree with Naberius that there was mention of meeting again in the morning but nothing about holding off till the next evening. IC if Raveen does not show up what are we to expect? Raveen is not joining us any more? He got attacked and killed by shadow beasts?
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Raveen is spending the night in his other house.
He will not be heading to the hideout in the morning: he has his regular job, some checks to make (information, forgeries, and networking to do), and some time to think on what happened, as well as the next step.If he ever visits the hideout, it will probably be late in the evening. I will describe everything he does in a relevant post.
Just a suggestion: since you did not tell anyone you have errands to run, I think everyone else is assuming we will meet first thing in the morning. Your intelligence gathering might do us more good after the meeting, as well. As it is, we don't really know what our next objective is, aside from having something to do with hindering the Bastards. Could you rearrange your schedule so that you pop in for the meeting before 'work?'
I don't mind waiting for a little while more, but I can see the GM chomping at the bit to get the plot moving again. :D
There will be no need for such assumptions--at least IC. He will pop in when ready or summoned. I believe Vasco, Morosimo, or even one of the other NPCs can do the job of notifying him that his presence is needed.
At any rate, I've already sent my IC requests to DM RichD via PM. It won't delay the plot, and I will post my entry as soon as Raveen is finished--since it (in effect) exists outside continuity as long as it is through PMs and is not tied with an outside event.
Otherwise, Raveen will report sometime in the afternoon or evening--as long as DM RichD judges the issue would take. As of yet, the DM can state 'It's the evening of the next day, what do you want to do?'
Raveen, I was letting the matter drop as we see things differently with different perspectives.
It would be grossly unfair from me to misrepresent any input and leave it uncorrected. Would you like for me to address a mistake (or oversight) I wrote, or is there nothing incorrect in my summary?
I agree with Naberius that there was mention of meeting again in the morning but nothing about holding off till the next evening.
'Fare thee well unto morning' means 'may you experience a good (next) morning'. It does not equate to 'I shall see you in the morning'.
Little linguistics tricks.
Mera is staying, she has no intention leaving and braving the dangers of the night.
There will be no need for such assumptions--at least IC. He will pop in when ready or summoned. I believe Vasco, Morosimo, or even one of the other NPCs can do the job of notifying him that his presence is needed.
At any rate, I've already sent my IC requests to DM RichD via PM. It won't delay the plot, and I will post my entry as soon as Raveen is finished--since it (in effect) exists outside continuity as long as it is through PMs and is not tied with an outside event.
Otherwise, Raveen will report sometime in the afternoon or evening--as long as DM RichD judges the issue would take. As of yet, the DM can state 'It's the evening of the next day, what do you want to do?'
Fair enough, though I'm not sure if we can find him. As an in-character concern, Naberius would rather spend his day preparing for the mission than sitting around waiting for Raveen to show up. He won't be pleased! :P
And hiding from Monday.
Well yes, that should help to keep him occupied. One more reason to get back to action, and out of the hideout as soon as possible... :)
Since you asked Raveen, the 3 points of contention I have is first the aspect of godmodding as you call it. I understand you do not wish to feel restricted and forced into situations. I can handle that and try to alter posts accordingly. What was defined as godmodding is not that severe. What I do not like to see is other aspects of godmodding where Raveen rolled a perception check and without confirmation from anyone or the GM went on assuming that you overheard the conversation that lead to the latest blow up. While some form of assumption in a pbp needs to happen that is a case where I prefer to wait till confirmation is made of what happened. RichD stated the DC of a whispered conversation as 8 higher than what you rolled and Tal indicated in his post to Janiven that it was a whisper. Most of this complication could have been avoided since Raveen never heard Tal.
Second, I find it very frustrating as a player when I post a response and get the result back that person X listens to half the post and ignores the rest. I can understand it happening occasionally but it seemed a lot just now and continued again with Raveen walking out on Tal talking to him. This is quite disrespectful to Tal and not a good idea at the best of times and especially not now.
Third, if Raveen did hear Tal and the entire conversation then he would know that Tal said that he would draw Raveen's blood if provoked. Tal had already agreed to Mera to listen to Janiven and likely to return. The threat would only have been a reality if provoked.
You are right as 'Fare thee well unto morning' does not implicitly state that we are meeting in the morning yet just prior Tal asked if we can continue on in the morning which you tabled (understandably). I was still continuing on from that post.
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Fair enough, though I'm not sure if we can find him. As an in-character concern, Naberius would rather spend his day preparing for the mission than sitting around waiting for Raveen to show up. He won't be pleased! :P
Oh, he works as a scribe in Rigo Scriba and can be found easily. I daresay that Amaya knows of him personally(as I stated his Tian contacts to DM RichD).
Amusingly, I think Naberius might get a little stir-crazy from being cooped up in the base for so long and being under threat once he leaves. He's got to find something to do in the meantime! xD@Tal's Spoiler'd points:
I see. Since the points of interest you state are not related to character motivations or things you expressed confusion to in the beginning, I suspect it's best if I address these points through private messages to contain the conversation.
I suppose this means that we are otherwise on the same page, no?
Oh, he works as a scribe in Rigo Scriba and can be found easily.
Oh, you mean actual work. :D
Amusingly, I think Naberius might get a little stir-crazy from being cooped up in the base for so long and being under threat once he leaves. He's got to find something to do in the meantime! xD
Hmm. Perhaps I should write some scrolls. I'll have to look into that later...
@Monday: I'm really enjoying this thing we've got going here, but Naberius has some serious trust issues. It's going to take some time for him to relax around Monday, if she decides to keep pursuing him. I really hope that she does, but he is not making it too easy... A bit more talk, perhaps, and a bit less getting pounced on all the time. That's a good way to make him even more nervous than he already is. :D
I'm very glad there is someone in the team that keeps bringing out the humanity in Naberius. He hates it, of course, but it makes for more interesting roleplaying. Yay for character development!
Huzzah, I'm helping! And him getting nervous when she pounces him is one of the reasons she keeps doing it.
Here's hoping it keeps working :3
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I'm very glad there is someone in the team that keeps bringing out the humanity in Naberius. He hates it, of course, but it makes for more interesting roleplaying. Yay for character development!
Heh. Now I realize what you meant by 'he won't be pleased!'
Rest easy, o kindred spirit! Raveen is coming by with some gifts for everyone.
Naberius spent 50 gp on scribing scrolls. He has 46 gp (and some silvers and coppers) left over from character creation, but are we tracking those?
I kept the potions and did not sell them so if anyone wants one of the curative potions here they are. There are 9 left and we should divide them before we get too far along.
Feel free to share those amongst yourselves. Naberius already has four, so he doesn't need any more. At least, I hope he doesn't. :P