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That was a cool verbal component!Thanks! I can't take full credit, since I paraphrased this awesome sourcebook for the beginning bit.
You've put in the effort, at least. That's a sign of a good roleplayer.
On another note, rhyming works too!Shrieks across the planes do sound,
O'er plains of rusty, hellish ground:Sum-mons of devils, dark and mean,
Just like the sort so often seen!Torn from planes thou call so home,
Now mortal-plane shalt thou thus roam!O'er plains of grass and life thou see,
Obey no-one, de-vil, but me!
I've also got to get my anarchic English fixed. It's been a while.
The third stanza can be replaced with [Hell-plane is thou home no more, and in mortal-plane shall you now soar], but the above is more rhythmic.But at any rate, spell-rhyming seems like a Irrisani witch thing. I doubt they have poetry clubs in the Acadamae!
On another note, Naberius got some sort of...Full Metal Alchemist thing going on--with the blood and pentagrams in mid-air.
But at any rate, spell-rhyming seems like a Irrisani witch thing. I doubt they have poetry clubs in the Acadamae!
Yes, I can't imagine Infernal lends itself too well to poetry. Too rigid. It's probably great for bossing people around, though. :)
On another note, Naberius got some sort of...Full Metal Alchemist thing going on--with the blood and pentagrams in mid-air.
Hmm, not exactly what I was going for. Think more old school.
I can see the similarity, now that you mention it. Subconscious influence, perhaps. I do like the anime(s).
Nice Naberius. I missed that you took the academae graduate feat. Well played.
Raveen quick question as I want to know if I can use it for myself. How are you avoiding the -4 penalty to attacking defensively?
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Nice Naberius. I missed that you took the academae graduate feat. Well played.
Raveen quick question as I want to know if I can use it for myself. How are you avoiding the -4 penalty to attacking defensively?
System transition error. I've always used the words 'Fighting Defensively' as 'Utilizing Combat Expertise'. I mean the latter here.
For reference, the -4 on attack, +2 to AC can be translated to -2 attack, +1 AC.
Combat Expertise lessens the attack penalty by 1, preserving the bonus to AC.
Again--system transition error. I've been working with Kirthfinder and houserules so long I've forgotten how the normal rule goes.
A couple of corrections: Naberius moved down two squares. I also think that Monday wanted to end up flanking Shanwen with Tal, if the former was still standing (which I think he is?).
I will also use this opportunity to point out that you seem to have mixed Monday's and Tuesday's tokens with one another. Doesn't really matter, but it has been bothering me. :P
I will also use this opportunity to point out that you seem to have mixed Monday's and Tuesday's tokens with one another. Doesn't really matter, but it has been bothering me. :P
Was wondering if anyone was gonna point that out :3
I thought Tuesday was the ghosty looking sprite with his arms raised like he is haunting someone. I also thought she wanted to flank with Tal so I was surprised by the coordinates, but I think when I opened Map Tools, the grid shifted. Stupid Map Tools! If she wants to flank, she is flanking. Just let me know the coordinates.
Nah, Tuesday is the cloaked silent one and Monday is the energetic one :3
And it's fine where their at, Tal doesn't really seem to have a problem hitting atm.
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@Sprites:
I didn't bring it up since Monday didn't.
I thought Tuesday was the ghosty looking sprite with his arms raised like he is haunting someone.
Her sprite has breasts. Maybe I should've made them clearer.
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Sprite breasts?
That was a strange thing to say...
But at any rate, Monday does haunt, so you're not entirely off the mark.
@Naberius:
I can see the similarity, now that you mention it. Subconscious influence, perhaps. I do like the anime(s).
Ah, the age-old question: Common ancestry or common design?
As in: Did you derive inspiration from the anime--or did you both draw inspiration from a common source?@Mera:
Speaking of representation: I've always called Mera as West-Thrune. I've just noticed it is Wist-Thrune.
And I've just got the reference! Among the Living is a Society scenario. I thought you made it up like the plays I referenced.
Her sprite has breasts. Maybe I should've made them clearer.
Yes. Yes you should.
Lol JK, my head image of Monday so far doesn't have her being really busty.
Oh great, everyone is talking about Monday's breasts. This won't go to her head or anything >.>
And I've just got the reference! Among the Living is a Society scenario. I thought you made it up like the plays I referenced.
Yep! I try to reference as much existing material when possible :)
Oh great, everyone is talking about Monday's breasts. This won't go to her head or anything >.>
What? Noooo... Her breasts will go to Mera's head, or Janiven's, or Lily's, or ...
And I've just got the reference! Among the Living is a Society scenario. I thought you made it up like the plays I referenced.
Yep! I try to reference as much existing material when possible :)
Oh really? Will have to check that out.
Ah, the age-old question: Common ancestry or common design?
As in: Did you derive inspiration from the anime--or did you both draw inspiration from a common source?
I got inspiration from reading up on real-life alchemy and demonology, so I'm sure the latter is correct. With all the complex rituals and esoteric symbology, that's what I prefer magic to be like.
By the way, your spell-rhyming inspired me to start working on a Irriseni witch whose spellcasting is based on the Kalevala. I hadn't thought about it before, but it's a pretty good fit. I just need to work on my poetry. :P
Ah, the age-old question: Common ancestry or common design?
As in: Did you derive inspiration from the anime--or did you both draw inspiration from a common source?I got inspiration from reading up on real-life alchemy and demonology, so I'm sure the latter is correct. With all the complex rituals and esoteric symbology, that's what I prefer magic to be like.
By the way, your spell-rhyming inspired me to start working on a Irriseni witch whose spellcasting is based on the Kalevala. I hadn't thought about it before, but it's a pretty good fit. I just need to work on my poetry. :P
Yuuuuuussssss.
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By the way, your spell-rhyming inspired me to start working on a Irriseni witch whose spellcasting is based on the Kalevala. I hadn't thought about it before, but it's a pretty good fit. I just need to work on my poetry. :P
I can see the appeal. I've done that.
“Bone, flesh and skin doth she be, to many, bare, worthless to me.
Tongue too heavy, speech too thin, bears me no love, blood, nor kin.
Arm too frail to clean mine home, hands too rough to raise my own.
Slay her now, if thou doth will: use to the world, she cannot fill.”
Yeah...she's not nice.
In my quest to actually play Pathfinder (not a lot of players around my place), I've resorted to writing extensively about it.
But regardless, poetry is good. It's a nice stimulative mental exercise--besides developing expression, it's a funny way to pick up languages.
It keeps reminding us that all languages have this root-deep connection. Again--the age-old question: Shared origin language, or mental thought patterns manifesting through language?
KalevalaYuuuuuussssss.
You're a fan? :)
“Bone, flesh and skin doth she be, to many, bare, worthless to me.
Tongue too heavy, speech too thin, bears me no love, blood, nor kin.
Arm too frail to clean mine home, hands too rough to raise my own.
Slay her now, if thou doth will: use to the world, she cannot fill.”
Ooh, nice! I think Kalevala would work especially well, because the theme of singing or reciting poems as a form of magic is so strong in Finnish mythology. The meter used can be very intimidating, as well.
I'm not sure how well it works in English though. I've only read the Kalevala in Finnish, which is something I should probably rectify as soon as possible.
But regardless, poetry is good. It's a nice stimulative mental exercise--besides developing expression, it's a funny way to pick up languages.
It keeps reminding us that all languages have this root-deep connection. Again--the age-old question: Shared origin language, or mental thought patterns manifesting through language?
I suppose the most current quandary is whether or not there is a single shared origin language, or multiple. Having studied language for even as briefly as I have, it is hard to believe any other theory.
I'm not sure what you mean. I think it is pretty widely accepted that these kinds of experiments were cruel and unnecessary. Of course there is still no definite answer as to where language came from, but it certainly doesn't develop spontaneously without social contact.
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You're a fan? :)KalevalaYuuuuuussssss.
This will betray incredible ignorance and possible lack of culture...but what's the Kalevala?
Ooh, nice! I think Kalevala would work especially well, because the theme of singing or reciting poems as a form of magic is so strong in Finnish mythology. The meter used can be very intimidating, as well.
If my memory isn't faulty, poetry is just as prevalent in occult-studies and relationship to magic as pentagrams and suspicious chanting.
Though again--I can't imagine Naberius being taking part of a Poetry Slam...I suppose the most current quandary is whether or not there is a single shared origin language, or multiple. Having studied language for even as briefly as I have, it is hard to believe any other theory.But regardless, poetry is good. It's a nice stimulative mental exercise--besides developing expression, it's a funny way to pick up languages.
It keeps reminding us that all languages have this root-deep connection. Again--the age-old question: Shared origin language, or mental thought patterns manifesting through language?
Do I smell the beginnings of a constructivist? Blaspheme no more!
Anyway, have you studied Dr Noam Chomsky's theories of cognitive language acquisition and Universal Grammar? Wrong or right, they are quite influential in the field.
But multiple origin languages...
Frankly, that would not be possible; multiple origin languages will conflict with the central 'first clause' premise. If there are multiple origin languages, there (in true Highlander fashion) can be only one 'true origin', if only when we compare grammatical similarities and root linguistics.
I'm not sure what you mean. I think it is pretty widely accepted that these kinds of experiments were cruel and unnecessary. Of course there is still no definite answer as to where language came from, but it certainly doesn't develop spontaneously without social contact.
As to cruelty--perhaps. Experiments, however, do run the gamut when it comes to ethical questions. Pavlov being off the top of my head. That's why so many wizards often become LN: It's for Science!
But I referred to the topic for another reason: Did we ever get a confirmation of whether or not we can see a language develop organically?Heartless as it is, the question does beg an answer...
The Kalevala is an epic collection of Finnish poetry and folklore. Which I'm greatly interested in :)
This will betray incredible ignorance and possible lack of culture...but what's the Kalevala?
It's not a big deal. Finnish literature is not exactly the most known subject internationally. :P
The Kalevala is an epic collection of Finnish poetry and folklore. Which I'm greatly interested in :)
Likewise. How did you come across it? I got introduced to it quite early, of course. I didn't really start appreciating it until adulthood, however.
Have you studied Dr Noam Chomsky's theories of cognitive language acquisition and Universal Grammar? Wrong or right, they are quite influential in the field.
I have not, but perhaps I should. It's always good to look at any subject from multiple perspectives.
But multiple origin languages...
Frankly, that would not be possible; multiple origin languages will conflict with the central 'first clause' premise. If there are multiple origin languages, there (in true Highlander fashion) can be only one 'true origin', if only when we compare grammatical similarities and root linguistics.
If we are capable of developing language in the first place, it is not impossible it would have happened in multiple places at different times. Some common root is more likely, of course, but there is only so much you can learn by comparative reconstruction. It's hard to know for certain, if not impossible.
Of course, I'm just a beginner, so I wouldn't claim to know the truth of the matter.
As to cruelty--perhaps. Experiments, however, do run the gamut when it comes to ethical questions. Pavlov being off the top of my head. That's why so many wizards often become LN: It's for Science!
But I referred to the topic for another reason: Did we ever get a confirmation of whether or not we can see a language develop organically?Heartless as it is, the question does beg an answer...
Even on a completely pragmatic level, the problem with such experiments is that they were not always entirely scientific. Frederick II's little tests were hardly applicable to modern linguistics.
I do assume that if you were to isolate a group of people from birth, they would come up with a way to communicate amongst themselves. Language is all about social interaction.
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All things considered, I suspect that you might come across Dr. Chomsky throughout your studies if you are pursuing a Bachelors. He's a fun guy.
Of course, anyone can poke a bit in his Universal Grammar theory (and it's quite easy, considering the argument), but that led to morphological acquisition--and research is ongoing, of course.
@Frederich II: Considering the scientific literature of the time, you are right. But it was a brave step into the unknown to explore an idea we still could not answer today. I have no idea why the children died at the end, however.
But in the case of the group of people from birth: it will be fascinating. They would not just create a language--they'd develop their own culture and mannerisms. The studies from observing them from birth to old age could flip tables and destroy or create academic history.
I've always thought being a conjurer would be fun--if only to get a sped-up demiplane and tossing some creatures inside. Think of it! You can pop in every few days (that convert to years) and record your observations. Pass a week and your theories shape the new world.
Of course--there is also human testing and biological/evolutionary studies...
We have weird conversations while waiting for combat to resolve.
I'm ... Actually not sure. Reading bits ot myths and stories here and there growing up I just found an attraction to Scandinavian and Slavic sources rather than the others.
I'm ... Actually not sure. Reading bits ot myths and stories here and there growing up I just found an attraction to Scandinavian and Slavic sources rather than the others.
That certainly makes a lot of sense. Technically, Finnish culture is neither Scandinavian or Slavic, but has influences of both. The Kalevala was instrumental in forming a seperate linguistic and national identity apart from those other traditions. When it comes to mythology, the overlaps are fascinating, as are the differences.
*nods*
If I delved deeper I could find more I liked but at the moment but Louhi and her daughters and the Sampo, the original McGuffin, stand out as my favourite parts.
That is certainly one of the more action-packed sequences in the book. Louhi would definitely be the main inspiration for my witch, thinking back on the character concept I mentioned. I think there is even a reference to her in one Pathfinder sourcebook, in an entry relating to the hut of Baba Yaga. One of the few nods to Finnish mythology I've found in Golarion.
Personally, I'm really partial to the creation myth and the battle between Väinämöinen ja Joukahainen in the beginning of the book (the latter part being an excellent example of how magic works in Finnish folklore), and the tragedy of Kullervo later in a later cycle. There is also really cool peek into the Underworld in one of the Lemminkäinen cycles, giving inspiration to one of my favorite paintings.
That is one creepy ass swan :3
The Swan of Death!
No, seriously. That's pretty much what he is called. Chilling in the river of the Underworld. :D
I need a rules clarification. The door has a hardness of 5 and 40 HP. That means that Tuesday will need to hit 'AC' 5 and do a total of 40 points of damage to the door, correct? (Believe it or not, I don't believe this has ever come up while I've DM'd!)
He hits automatically (the door isn't going to dodge him or anything), and the hardness is substracted from the damage. It's like DR. One of his hits would do 1 point of damage, and the other none.
Edit: Well, technically an unattended inanimate object has an AC, but it is very low unless the object is exceptionally small. A door should be pretty easy to hit.
... Which means Tuez is gonna have to phase lurch next round.
Does that help? Can he bring Arael out with him? :o
If not, Tal would probably have more luck smashing down the door, either by pure damage or breaking it open with Strength.
No he can't take people with him but hopefully he can open it from the inside.
Once the armigers are defeated Tal will move over to the carriage. With a strength mod of +6 and being large (+4 bonus) Tal should be able to get it open shortly.
No he can't take people with him but hopefully he can open it from the inside.
That would be a rather odd design choice for a prisoner transport, would it not? :D
Once the armigers are defeated Tal will move over to the carriage. With a strength mod of +6 and being large (+4 bonus) Tal should be able to get it open shortly.
Aren't they all down? I suppose we should stay in initiative for as long as Arael is in danger of burning to death, regardless.
Uh-oh Raveen might have to make Arael a sprite with smoke coming out of him! BTW...Just saw the sprite for Janiven. I will use that in the next combat.
I don't know if the hellknight is down officially or not that is why I am waiting to do more.
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Uh-oh Raveen might have to make Arael a sprite with smoke coming out of him! BTW...Just saw the sprite for Janiven. I will use that in the next combat.
I'd need description for that. As always, I am ready to serve.
Considering the circumstances--we might not need a sprite for him.
Heh heh heh...
Regarding the rules clarification:
That is inconsistent with other instances. Sometimes published material is not entirely consistent with the rules. Most of the times, breaking a material goes under the Sunder combat maneuver rules.
If we go on with this, we can assume the door has AC (or CMD, if you wish) of 10 - 5 as a nonmobile Dex penalty, which is usually enough for a character to take 10 on. Attacking (a single attack) as a full-round action allows the damage to be done automatically.
Considering Tuesday deals 1d6+2 damage, or 5 damage on average (3.5 + 2, round down), with 2 hits/round, I'd say it'll take maybe 4 rounds to get the door broken down enough.
As such--isn't the Hellknight on AX21 down? It's still in the tactical map. I will assume two separate events in case he is actually standing.
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It requires every ounce of my will to resist saying: "Come with me if you want to live-"
"No time to explain--get in the car"
"Get to the Choppa!"
But in all seriousness, anyone want to join Raveen in his rumormongering? Mera is wounded and needs to make an alibi, Monday needs to lay low (and all things considered, is not a very good liar), and Naberius needs to rest from his fatigue. That leaves Tal--who is a little bit conspicuous. He also needs to get his wife--you know, just in case.
So alone...
So alone...
"Caw! I'll come with!"
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That would be nice. Raveen will need another set of eyes. Does Vasco like mint candy?
No, ravens don't die like dogs and chocolate.
Talk about bonding with your team-mates.
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I imagine Vasco will eat just about anything. Poor bird, between you and Monday I'll have to put him on a diet... :P
Morning gang! I drove up to Boston last night ahead of the snowstorm so I wouldn't miss my fun filled weekend! I'm out of town for PAX through Monday and as such my check-ins will be much less regular as I dig my hand into games, games, games! :)
@GM - Bot me as needed, don't let me hold things up.
I'm going through my campaigns to get caught up now, I'm a day behind. I'll get a post in here shortly.
As for preference on direction, she's obviously going to make sure she lets everyone know how critical she was in battle and how wounded she is. She's going to be a little put off for the remainder of the time out here. She's quite anxious/upset that she was wounded so and it was much more in-your-face than she thought it was going to be. She is definitely going to make some changes and plans moving forward :)
For the remainder of the encounter she will hang to the back out of the way, warily and out of sorts a bit. She's never been wounded before.
As we now have some loot just let me know what you want to claim and I will put in on your tab in the excel sheet.
For example Tal is claiming the fullplate and 1 of the CMW from the previous spoils.
Looking at the list that leaves 1 CMW from the original stash and 11clw from this stash that can be claimed. Any gear or items I will put your name next to and on the bottom tab of the excel sheet. This way we can track what the party assets are and what each individual has as a credit/debit. Since Tal does not have enough credit on his account he would have to borrow from someone else or supplement that some other way. In this case I still have left over gp from creation I could use to pay for the extra. If you would like I can add your surplus fro character creation to your line item so you don't have to worry about it on your character sheet.
If you have any questions or concerns please share them so we can fine tune this so it is easier for all.
I made a line for party loot as well if we want to divide things by 6 to create an account for healing wands or mutually beneficial items in the future.
I'm not entirely sure how this is supposed to work. Seems a bit complicated for my tastes. I don't usually care to charge people a part of their share for taking items that benefit the whole group, if that is what is going on here. I have absolutely nothing against Tal just taking the full plate without being indebted to the group in any way.
I guess the banking terms are the real turn-off here. I barely know how to deal with these things in Finnish! I suppose this is something I really should look into...
If that is what the group wants them I can just eliminate those items that are claimed and reconfigure the amount that could be sold. I set it up this way as in a previous campaign I was in 1 character would claim anything of value just to sell it himself to purchase his items. this just keeps everyone equal for character wealth.
The short take...
look at the last column on your row to see how much wealth you have gained thus far from spoils.
Yeah, not a fan of that method either, if Tal wants the plate he can have it. Not like anyone else can wear it :3
I set it up this way as in a previous campaign I was in 1 character would claim anything of value just to sell it himself to purchase his items. this just keeps everyone equal for character wealth.
Oh, that sucks. It's awful to think there are people in this hobby who would do something like that. Of course it's important that everyone gets an equal share, but I find that these things tend to even out over time. That is, if someone isn't being a jerk! I don't think anyone here would try to swindle the others like that. If things get uneven, I'm sure we can deal with it on a case by case basis.
I'm not so opposed to the method that I couldn't roll with it, especially if you're willing to do the math. I suppose if there are items that people want, but aren't essential to the character, those should be "bought" from the party. The others shouldn't get less cash if, say, Naberius decides to lug around a suit of full plate armor just because. Otherwise, I think we are fine just giving out items by need.
Using excel it is a simple matter of altering the formula however you would like. I already adjusted the spreadsheet to reflect both of your preferences.
The only downside to this is that I am hesitant to let items linger on the available list. The longer it takes someone to claim an item the more inaccurate we will be. A compromise to this of course is anything on the loot list that is not a consumable item gets sold after a week of real time unless someone has stated they are gone during that time. That way the spreadsheet stays up to date and people know what they have available.
Btw thanks for the offer of the plate as I will accept unless the others wish otherwise. With the plate my AC is a ridiculous 25 at 2nd level and could be a 26 if I used combat expertise. That just doesn't even sound right.
Ah, okay. My experience with Excel is extremely limited. I think the first time I ever actually used it for anything was on a compulsory IT course at the university last year. But I think I get it now!
Be as ruthless as you need to be in maintaining the list. A week sounds reasonable.