# How wide is the bottomless pit around the Starstone Cathedral?

### Lost Omens Campaign Setting General Discussion

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I've been pouring over various sources for this and I can't seem to find an exact figure for how wide the pit is. I've been able to find a couple pictures of it but I'm terrible at judging distance when the perspective and scale isn't subject to artistic license.

So I was hoping someone here would be able to set me straight, either by providing a source I've overlooked or don't have access to, or by one of the devs being willing to give the answer if it hasn't been published yet.

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Well... the Confirmation has someone trying to cross it by jumping his warhorse over it, and then jumping from said horse to cross the rest of the way. Everyone else you talk to seems to think there is no way that will work, yet according to the Guide to Absalom, p. 17 hopefuls have leaped across in the past.

I'd put it at 'the length needed to fit the story you are telling'

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Looking at this picture. I'd guess about 25 feet from the rightmost corner of the middle platform.

I got to this number by measuring the height of one of the people in pixels (~30 px) and then measuring the distance in pixels (~144 px). Assuming the person i measured was a human female of average height I got 25 Feet 6 Inches. So It's probably somewhere in that ballpark.

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Firewarrior44 wrote:

Looking at this picture. I'd guess about 25 feet from the rightmost corner of the middle platform.

I got to this number by measuring the height of one of the people in pixels (~30 px) and then measuring the distance in pixels (~144 px). Assuming the person i measured was a human female of average height I got 25 Feet 6 Inches. So It's probably somewhere in that ballpark.

As far as I could determine, there are no figures in that picture that could be positively identified as male or female, or anything else for that matter.

But assuming one of the figures closest to the center bridge (the one going to the left side of the picture), is 6 feet tall. Then that bridge would be at least about 65'. Other sections of the abyss would be over 100' across.

Looking at the Absalom City map scale, it could be 500'.

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When she tried the Test of the Starstone she just rolled rolled across the pit.

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Isn't part of the point that the pit and the space above it is of variable width depending upon who is trying to cross and when?

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Yo Momma So Fat wrote:
When she tried the Test of the Starstone she just rolled rolled across the pit.

delightful

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how bottomless is the pit.

oh it has a bottom. but how now would it matter. you are dead when you hit the bottom

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Why even bother with a bottomless pit when there is clearly a bridge to cross over it?

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Why even bother with a bottomless pit when there is clearly a bridge to cross over it?

For the test of the Startone, the first task is that each perspective godling has to cross the pit using a different method than all others attempted before. So Cayden may have walked across the bridge drunkenly, now no one else can walk across the bridge to complete that part of the test.

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I'm pretty sure you also have to cross without using the bridges. XD

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Cpt_kirstov wrote:
Why even bother with a bottomless pit when there is clearly a bridge to cross over it?
For the test of the Startone, the first task is that each perspective godling has to cross the pit using a different method than all others attempted before. So Cayden may have walked across the bridge drunkenly, now no one else can walk across the bridge to complete that part of the test.

No one else can walk across in a *drunken* fashion, you mean?

And, is that a superstition that has sprung up around the 'stone, or a real thing?

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Maybe the entire point of the Starstone Test is to find people who just take the obvious route and don't over-complicate things by thinking too much. Like, past the bottomless pit with a bridge, there's a sheer wall with an unlocked door in it and most people climb the wall and plummet to their deaths... and past that there's a panel with buttons and one of them says PRESS FOR GODHOOD and all the others are blank and when pressed destroy people...

Turns out the keys to divinity are sloth and the path of least resistance.

I'm in.

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And that is why I ascended by another method. Because somebody needs to overcomplicate things.

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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
Cpt_kirstov wrote:
Why even bother with a bottomless pit when there is clearly a bridge to cross over it?
For the test of the Startone, the first task is that each perspective godling has to cross the pit using a different method than all others attempted before. So Cayden may have walked across the bridge drunkenly, now no one else can walk across the bridge to complete that part of the test.

No one else can walk across in a *drunken* fashion, you mean?

And, is that a superstition that has sprung up around the 'stone, or a real thing?

Actually according to the guide to absalom (p17) "The only publicly known part of the Test of the Starstone is

that hopefuls have to cross the bottomless pit without using
one of the existing bridges
; nobody has been able to enter the
Starstone Cathedral by taking the easy route. Hopefuls have
used many ways in the past millennia to cross the pit: mages
have flown across with magic, priests have walked on air, and
others have used flying mounts. Stranger methods include
giant slingshots or walking a tightrope, while some make
mighty leaps, convinced of their worthiness. Not all of these
methods are successful, and what worked for one person can
fail for another; some don’t make it across, and some do but
cannot enter the cathedral."

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Hmm... ***builds new bridge*** :)

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Lemartes wrote:
Hmm... ***builds new bridge*** :)

***sinks into swamp***

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The specific idea I had in mind was a particularly strong PC dragging the carcass of a colossal sized monster they had slain to the pit and using it's body as a bridge to cross the chasm.

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Well, if it's not using one of the existing bridges... I do hope the city roads are wide enough to allow for that, though. XD

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FormerFiend wrote:
dragging the carcass of a colossal sized monster they had slain to the pit and using it's body as a bridge

Are you sure the bottom of the pit is solid? What if it's stretchy?

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CrystalSeas wrote:
FormerFiend wrote:
dragging the carcass of a colossal sized monster they had slain to the pit and using it's body as a bridge
Are you sure the bottom of the pit is solid? What if it's stretchy?

There isn't a bottom of the pit, so far as I'm aware.

I'm still working on the actual mechanics of laying the thing across the pit. Bu the hope is to find something with a spine sturdy enough that the vertebrae will lock & prevent it from collapsing and falling down the pit once it's been lain across the gap.

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GM Rednal wrote:
Well, if it's not using one of the existing bridges... I do hope the city roads are wide enough to allow for that, though. XD

Didn't say there wouldn't be any collateral damage. But if he succeeds, he's a god, and they can take it up wit him then. If he doesn, then(to his thinking) it's because he's dead, at which point it isn't really his problem anymore.

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FormerFiend wrote:
GM Rednal wrote:
Well, if it's not using one of the existing bridges... I do hope the city roads are wide enough to allow for that, though. XD
Didn't say there wouldn't be any collateral damage. But if he succeeds, he's a god, and they can take it up wit him then.

KNEEL BEFORE OOPS!

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Have you ever tried to use a dead vertebrate as a bridge? They're soft and floppy and bend any which way.

Don't know how much you want to inject real-life physics and biology in your scheme, but dead bodies aren't always stiff. (except for the hours during which rigor mortis is occurring).

You may want to build your story to account for the initial flaccidity and the passing off of rigor mortis.

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CrystalSeas wrote:

Have you ever tried to use a dead vertebrate as a bridge? They're soft and floppy and bend any which way.

Are you speaking from experience? I mean far be it for me to judge...

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Generic Villain wrote:
Are you speaking from experience?

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CrystalSeas wrote:
Generic Villain wrote:
CrystalSeas wrote:

Have you ever tried to use a dead vertebrate as a bridge? They're soft and floppy and bend any which way.

Are you speaking from experience? I mean far be it for me to judge...

What an intriguing exchange. :)

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Steve Geddes wrote:
CrystalSeas wrote:
Generic Villain wrote:
CrystalSeas wrote:

Have you ever tried to use a dead vertebrate as a bridge? They're soft and floppy and bend any which way.

Are you speaking from experience? I mean far be it for me to judge...
What an intriguing exchange. :)

He was being respectful due to his profession. Nothing untoward or salacious, I assure you.

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Maybe store a really tall tree in a bag of holding, then dump it out and lay it across.

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Really really really big clown shoes and moonwalk across?

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A mythic-tier use of Perform (mime)?

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It's as wide as a cape.

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Wile E. Coyote got almost all of the way across before he noticed that his rocket-powered skateboard had gotten caught in Godsmarket.

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The stated width of the city is 5 miles.
The stated distance keep-to-keep is 7 miles.
Measuring the # pixels of these, and comparing to the # pixels for the pit (less the cathedral) gets ~500 [+/- 10%] feet from edge to center.

Given this is the god's eye view of the city, and agrees with the map scale per a previous post, I think that the distance used should be about this.

Given the acrobatic multipliers available, and the acrobatic bonuses available, this distance can be jumped if you can get your speed up high enough. [All without using mythic.] Check the max acrobatic skill threads for proof.

/cevah

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Why even bother with a bottomless pit when there is clearly a bridge to cross over it?

The real question is why even bother with having built all those bridges in the first place and maintaining them?

There's no purpose to their existence whatsoever, no one has business there except for those who have to cross without using a bridge.

We also know they're not actually directly linked to the god they represent, since Aroden's collapsed not from his death but many years later from his clergy not maintaining it as a result of dying off or converting to other religions.

It wouldn't even be an eyesore or a safety hazard if the bridge was set to collapse into the pit

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Maybe the bridges are there to let the cleaners in. Someone has to tidy up the bodies of the unworthy. Or maybe the idea is that the cathedral should be used as a, y'know, cathedral with like church services and stuff? And you cross the bridge of God X to get to his/her ceremony?

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By my latest calculation it is 50 bajillion feet wide. Visions of the 15th step get to hear how I did it!