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I’ve always thought that the SLAs from Divine Source are nice, but the real nice part of it is being able to grant spells. While you *could* combine that with the capstone The Boss, and even the Crusader path ability (from the Champion Path), having a cult with hundreds (thousands?) of followers is just way more than I’d be able to handle at Level 1, and probably a massive headache for the GM too.
Given that you have the Fire and Earth domains, Ignan or Terran would make sense. Possibly Sylvan or First Speech, if you had much interaction with Fey.
Here I stand, I can do no other.
Flavor. If we need to eat them at some point, I want worms in my preferred flavor.
Also, his sword is smarter, wiser, and more charming than him. And speaks more languages. Going to be super weird if it’s doing the negotiating/interpreting for him. LOL. But he’s still going to hit people with it.
I *think* I've settled on leaning into the magic sword being his whole thing. Fighter (Weaponmaster) specializing in the longsword, taking two capstones: With This Sword (naturally) and Old Dog, New Tricks (4 combat feats). My build is going to work a lot like Gazul's, thought the fluff is different and I balance offense/defense more than he does, I think. Just an ordinary(-ish) guy who pulled a Major Artifact Intelligent Longsword out of a stone and has devoted his life to mastering it.
Can one of the following two be used to regain an ability traded away by an archetype? For example if my paladin takes an archetype that gives up Divine Grace, can I use one of these Specials to get it back? A class ability from a class you did not take(as long as they gain it at level ten or less) One class ability from your base classes scaled to lvl 20(it can’t be spellcasting)(as an example say you took the slumber hex at 1st level, if you take this special power, you count as a level 20 witch for its DC)
Yes this was one of the interactions I wanted to see played with in this game. Just make sure to explain it well through backstory Great! Now I just need to figure out if I want him to be a total nobody that the sword picked out of the blue (probably a fighter or maybe slayer) or to be a promising young paladin entrusted with a holy sword. (Which may also determine race and if I take a template; hard for an Aasimar half-dragon, for instance, to be a total nobody.)
Ok, that makes sense. One more, on how a capstone and a mythic ability work together: Capstone:
Mythic Path Ability:
Can I use both of these together and start with a sword that’s worth more than everything else I own (several times over)? Thinking, like, a Paladin entrusted with a legendary holy sword type of thing. Or maybe he’s even chosen by the sword, since Intelligence is one of the Legendary Item abilities.
Two questions about the special powers: Can we choose the same one twice? I’m looking at the class templates (Paladin Creature, Wizard Creature) etc, and most go up to +3. So could I take the template one twice (the idea being that in his past life he was, say, a wizard, but in this life he’s found religion and come back as a cleric, or whatever)? I know that those increase with level, they’d start at +1 and not reach +3 until level 10 IIRC, but I’m trying to plan ahead. What I’m thinking would be to take Template power twice, pick one of those +1-+3 ones, and one other +1 for a total +4 (eventually). For the alternate capstone one, are we starting with a capstone already? Or would that choice just be held in reserve until we reach 20, some years from now?
Well. That’s a bit underwhelming. Still workable, though, especially with mythic bonuses.
I'm reminded of the Iblydan Hero-Gods whose ranks include a mythic dire lion that regularly chases and or eats its worshippers (but who do gain spells from it, I think?) and doesn't realize it's sort of a demi-god, and an intelligent falcata that is also mythic and grant spells to worshippers, apparently.
That sounds bizarrely fun.
Diamond Lake seems like a rough and tumble sort of place. Think I might go with a Brawler.
Dot. Let me read the Player’s Guide and mull some concepts.
Anything in particular you’re looking to fill in terms of party role? I see you don’t have a full caster or trapfinder, but then again a summoner and inquisitor can probably pretty well cover casting most of the time, I’ve known parties with no full caster.
Well, my PC is done, it's mostly the horde of cohorts and followers I'm still working up. I can probably leave them minding the
So, I started a new job this week. Gotta pay for gaming somehow, right? Unfortunately, that's also probably going to slow down finishing out this character. I still plan to. But it might end up being a "Y'all start without me, I'll show up later." kind of thing, GM permitting. But hopefully not.
Voice lists Monstrous Companion as one of the bonus feats we can take in addition to Leadership, so my understanding is that he’s good with taking both. Voice, please do correct me if I’m wrong.
What was the final word on Monstrous Companion? I was thinking a Sphinx of some sort. The good sphinxes are just off the top of the chart (where no one can take them unless they have more than 20 class levels, bizarrely. Why put them on the chart?). Seems like the obvious solutions would be either to replace the Effective Druid Level side of the chart with Leadership Score (allowing us to surpass the max of 20 on the listed chart), or else to replace the Effective Cohort Level side with CR of the creature (the existing numbers scale oddly and don't seem to correspond neatly to anything that I can see). Without one of those solutions, there's a bizarre number of monsters given an ECL that we can never reach. (Only a couple on the linked chart, but the various Bestiaries have appendixes with more 'choices' that have numbers higher than the max of 12.) Let’s go with a gynosphinx then. They seem easier to get along with than Androsphinxes, and are closer to my alignment. Maybe with some class levels, since gynosphinxes are only CR 8? Oracle seems like a sensible class for a sphinx.
He's lawful. They get what they earn. Neither stingy nor generous. Fair compensation terms are laid out in their contracts. So +1 then. I mean, he is a dragon. If the commoners see him at all, it's probably only when he's shapechanged into an elf. Only his direct subordinates and some on the next level down know that he's a dragon. Others may know there's a dragon in the area, and figure that the king has an understanding with him, or maybe the dragon reports to him, but most people don't know the king and the dragon are the same person. He has a vizier who serves as the regime's public face most of the time. Some similarly powerful figures around Golarion (like, for instance, the other PCs) know the truth. But most people don't. I was thinking of taking the House Retainers bonus leadership feat option, and probably have one of my 4 8th-level retainers be, like, Azer Warpriest of Torag 6 (with the Forgepriest archetype). Notionally, he's the head of a small clan of Azers I liberated from a cruel Efreet master in the City of Brass. They work for me now. But he's probably the only one that would be statted up, the rest are lost somewhere in the dozens of 2nd-4th level followers. What was the final word on Monstrous Companion? I was thinking a Sphinx of some sort. The good sphinxes are just off the top of the chart (where no one can take them unless they have more than 20 class levels, bizarrely. Why put them on the chart?). Seems like the obvious solutions would be either to replace the Effective Druid Level side of the chart with Leadership Score (allowing us to surpass the max of 20 on the listed chart), or else to replace the Effective Cohort Level side with CR of the creature (the existing numbers scale oddly and don't seem to correspond neatly to anything that I can see). Without one of those solutions, there's a bizarre number of monsters given an ECL that we can never reach. (Only a couple on the linked chart, but the various Bestiaries have appendixes with more 'choices' that have numbers higher than the max of 12.)
Not entirely sure, but given the setting of his kingdom, in the desert/mountains along the border of Osirion and Katapesh, a Sphinx would make sense. (And wouldn’t you know it, Criosphinx and Gynosphinx are the ones with numbers so high you can’t take them. Androsphinx isn’t even on the chart.)
GM, question about Monstrous Companion. I don't understand how the chart is supposed to work. For some reason they don't show it on AoN, but there's a selection of monsters with Effective Cohort Levels that go up to 14, when the chart only goes up to 12. Then it lists a bunch of other creatures with no associated number. There are supposed to be rules for them in their respective Bestiaries, but Nethys doesn't have that either. How are we supposed to use this? Should we be using Leadership score in place of their Effective Druid Level?
Thinking a Warpriest or Inquisitor of the Red Knight. Might channel negative, since she's LN. [draws sword] "I'm a priest. But not the sort who helps people." (Also means being able to put Inflict spells in a spell-storing weapon any time we have a moment, for example.)
Goodness. I already didn't think I was going to finish more than bare outlines of important cohort/follower/npc types. This? This is *a lot*.
Man, the last few weeks have had so many awesome recruitments.
I’ve played a lot of RotR. Never played Age of Worms. I’d give that a whirl.
Can we take major NPCs from our respective campaigns as cohorts/followers? In my case, from Legacy of Fire, Nefeshti comes to mind as an example. Though her case is more complicated because she's a Djinni Vizier rather than a normal race (but as a Monstrous Companion, maybe?). Could also think in terms of "Who was in my party?" and build out along those lines, I guess.
Hmm. I copied those out of HeroLab (selecting the appropriate Great Wyrm for Race in the background tab, but adjusting nothing, takingthe default 10 on all starting stats before race adjustments). Maybe the d20 ones are made with a different stat array? Idk. Well, hang on. Now I'm really confused because I just tried to replicate it and got the numbers you have. Not sure what I screwed up previously. Oh well, doesn't really matter anyway, I guess.
I was asking about your final stats cuz I was considering bumping ABP to start at first level instead of third. This would give people 23 legendary gifts, instead of 8.I wouldn't complain if you did this. :) Legendary gifts are a good replacement for wishes/tomes and will feel suitably epic. I second the motion.
A dragon that old and rich probably has some spell or item that prevents ability damage (or a belt or tome or something to boost its dex). Maybe you could hit it with an anti-magic sphere, but then you're not locked in an antimagic sphere with a dragon, a dragon's locked in an antimagic sphere with you. Gods help you.
My main character is basically done, stats-wise. Still need to go back and tweak his bio. But I only have the barest concepts of his cohort/followers/etc. Not sure I’ll find the time to stat them out much at all.
Kintargo would make a pretty good Gotham stand-in, especially with Westcrown being spoken for. Wrath would actually be a good background for my backup that I don’t think I’ll use, who’s not just a Paladin of Ragathiel, but his half-celestial (but without the template) son by a fire giantess (Jotun Exemplar 10/Paladin 20/Crimson Templar 10), but I figured since we’re not doing mythic I’d probably avoid Wrath, since it might be difficult to explain how non-mythic PCs defeated Baphomet and Deskari. And I like my dragon. But his leadership followers totally would’ve been basically the celestial version of a Hellknight Order, (just full of Paladins).
Now I’m just running through APs in my head and thinking how characters that beat them could be fun in this. Skulls & Shackles, the new Hurricane King leading a pirate armada? The Baron of the Stolen Lands? A Belkzen half-orc who has slain many giants? A Nirmathas ranger who survived Ironfang Invasion? Lots of good ideas. I’ll probably stick to the one I have though.
I’m probably not going to go with that one anyway, it’s more of a backup idea. If I did decide to I could probably shift it around to Kintargo and a successful Hell’s Rebels run or something.
You say that only APs chosen by players will be completed successfully. Can we ask that one be failed? My second idea would involve being part of the Glorious Reclamation that are the antagonists of Hell’s Vengeance.
I am working on Aurora, goddess of the false dawn, child of Desna and inheritor of the power of the Thassilonian Empire. She will be a Mighty Godling|Arcane Sorcerer. Argh, that gives me another idea.
I’ve mostly got my character lined out, but I do have in the back of my head an idea of a secondary option: a Druid whose followers and (maybe even his cohort) are all awakened animals of various sorts. Dozens of wolves, big cats, birds of prey, alligators, dinosaurs, maybe an orca or shark, etc. Just don’t ask him if he’s ever had an amorous encounter with a cougar.
Likewise, should we consider taking a campaign trait from that AP as one of our traits?
x10 GM, do you mind me using the Forgeborn from Dreamscarred as a proxy for Warforged? It's a pretty similar idea and comes from a publisher whose psionic stuff we're already using. There are other warforged Pathfinder conversions floating around on the internet, but they're more homebrew type of stuff, sometimes impossible to actually replicate with the ARG race builder. Just seems like an easier way to take an off-the-shelf race. Especially since it's designed to work with psionics, and I'm planning to go with an Aegis/Soulknife into Metaforge build.
Country music, I think. Sacred color is Crimson, favored animal the Elephant. Favored weapon is the shotgun, which is often ceremonially carried by the fathers of brides in the church’s wedding ceremonies.
With the inclusion of the “In the Company of…” races, I’d probably try to play a Taninim (dragon) or Jotun (giant) of some flavor. And since its gestalt, I can go racial class on one side, PC class on the other!
Thinking I might go with a Warforged multiclass Aegis/Soulknife (building towards the Metaforge PrC). May fluff it as either not psionic, or that he doesn’t know its psionic, and just sees it as having an ability to project force fields that he shapes into weapons and armor.
I don’t think I’m going to finish. No one wait up for me.
Dot. Always interested in a chance to play a warforged. Or maybe something psionic. Or a psionic warforged!
I’m always interested in high level play, but I am *not* equipped to GM something like that. Happy to play though.
Serpent’s Skull and Giantslayer are the two I’d be most interested in, since they aren’t offered as much. But I’d play Kingmaker or Wrath of the Righteous in Eberron. I’ve played enough RotR that I don’t know that I’d care to play it again, even relocated.
Dark Sun seems like an interesting setting, but I don’t think I’ve ever actually gotten into a game of it. Willing to try again.
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