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Well we have a paladin and a LG cleric in our party, so I'm not sure what they'd think of the other activities you infer in your post.Now I really want to my party's wizard to dominate monster on the next succubus we encounter. Then he can transmute rock to mud and tell the dominated succubus to engage the enemy succubus in the mud pit.Pretty sure that's NOT the top of the list of things worth doing with a dominated succubus.
A party with access to dominate monster is a party with access to dominate person. Just saying.
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Ya know, for all the ladies out there, I'm surprised no one has come up with the inverse of this discussion...
Incubus in a grapple!
Don't assume we're all into dudes!
I think it was discussed at some length mid way through the thread (so far). It has come up.Ya know, for all the ladies out there, I'm surprised no one has come up with the inverse of this discussion...
Incubus in a grapple!
Plus, an incubus isn't for all the ladies. Some would prefer the succubus.
Edit: Ninja'd.
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It says in the Demons Revisited book, that Succubi don't actually have a gender being Outsiders. They take forms to suit their purposes and desires at will. But yes, some of us ladies would not say no to play-testing the grapple rules with a Succubus.
It says in the Demons Revisited book, that Succubi don't actually have a gender being Outsiders. They take forms to suit their purposes and desires at will. But yes, some of us ladies would not say no to play-testing the grapple rules with a Succubus.
Can I watch this play-test? My reasons are strictly honorable I assure you. I just want..uh..to make sure I...uh.. understand the applicable rules correctly...umm..yeah that's the reason.
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It says in the ......rules with a Succubus.Wait, being an Outsider means that a creature has no gender? As in, no sense of gender identity (presuming they didn't mean to go with the technically-incorrect-but-more-widely-used definition of "naturally has no ability to procreate")?
Succubi are the abyss made flesh, mortal concepts of sex and gender are just tools to corrupt souls. (And the book mentions how Succubi reproduce and aid the Abyss in producing new demons)
@OldSkoolRPG, yes you are welcome to watch, however we retain the right to shift our positions to add combatants. It has been proven the best way to learn is by doing...
@OldSkoolRPG, yes you are welcome to watch, however we retain the right to shift our positions to add combatants. It has been proven the best way to learn is by doing...
I could not agree more and practice makes perfect so it might take a few play-tests to get grappling down perfectly.
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How is this thread still in the rules form? There are 610 posts here as of this writing and 609 of them don't pertain to rules. At all.
This is so that we're eligible for the research grant. It's going to take a lot of research.
With extensive notes.
And pictures. Don't forget the pictures.
For scientific purposes, you understand.
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How is this thread still in the rules form? There are 610 posts here as of this writing and 609 of them don't pertain to rules. At all.
Because there are a ton of serious posts on rules questions here and everyone gets worked up and stressed out arguing. Everyone has fun with this thread and it is a nice way to relieve some tension. And also maybe, just maybe the devs have a bit of a sense of humor as well :)
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How is this thread still in the rules form? There are 610 posts here as of this writing and 609 of them don't pertain to rules. At all.
Serious answer: untrue. The rules side has been definitively covered, in the first couple of pages.
Thread-suitable answer: Ultimately, the rules are there to foster our imaginations, to help us tell exciting stories. It really helps to be able to visualise every thrust, twist, and slide on the bed... umm, I mean battlefield. And then there's the fact that we are discovering new corner-cases (such as the female paladin smiting the grappling succubus), which will enable GMs for years to come to adjudicate the precise outcomes of situations like this.
The rules forum serves two purposes: discovering what is going on in the RAW, and teaching players and GMs the precise limits of the capabilities of characters. And if I'm going to be grappling a succubus, I want to know what all of my capabilities are.
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Polymorph and Shape-shifting. Lets you enjoy intimate relations with anything.
You're a dragon. You should know these things. :-)
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So... what happens when you have a half-dragon half-fiend grappling the succubus?
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So... what happens when you have a half-dragon half-fiend grappling the succubus?
Well what happens, the dragon-fiend ontop has to make the Attack roll against the Succubi's CMD, as for the Succubi's respose you'll need to pay another 15 GP a month to gain access to the new Splat-book.
So... what happens when you have a half-dragon half-fiend grappling the succubus?
Wait, is that a half-dragon fiend, or a half-fiend dragon?
Actually, never mind. I don't care. Let's get back to the succubus.
So... what happens when you have a half-dragon half-fiend grappling the succubus?Well what happens, the dragon-fiend ontop has to make the Attack roll against the Succubi's CMD, as for the Succubi's respose you'll need to pay another 15 GP a month to gain access to the new Splat-book.
and you will need a credit card to prove that you're over 18
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Found something last night, then this thread today... happy coincidence?
If that lady worship's Arshea, then while she gets her groove on, she gets better looking all the time.
/cevah
Okay guys I have a serious question. What are the rules for holding something in your mouth? Bite with grab? Tongue with pull? What works?
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Okay guys I have a serious question. What are the rules for holding something in your mouth? Bite with grab? Tongue with pull? What works?
Called shot melee attack to grab it, since you're liking aiming for something small, it would be a challenging called shot, so -10 for that, then -2 for being in a grapple. Opposed strength check to keep it held in your mouth? Or maybe just run is as a grapple between two Fine-sized creatures?
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Succubi are capable of shifting into any Small or Medium humanoid RAW, with no restriction on their sex. Incubi are a different demon entirely. The succubi can be in whatever form you like.Ya know, for all the ladies out there, I'm surprised no one has come up with the inverse of this discussion...
Incubus in a grapple!
even pizza!
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Okay guys I have a serious question. What are the rules for holding something in your mouth? Bite with grab? Tongue with pull? What works?Called shot melee attack to grab it, since you're liking aiming for something small, it would be a challenging called shot, so -10 for that, then -2 for being in a grapple. Opposed strength check to keep it held in your mouth? Or maybe just run is as a grapple between two Fine-sized creatures?
Are we talking holding onto something living or resisting or are we talking hiding something in your mouth. Hiding something in your mouth, like a key or something, would be a sleight of hand. If you are talking about something alive and resisting I think it would just use the grappling rules. The rules don't specify how you are holding on in a grapple. So if it makes sense for your character you can describe it that way flavor wise.
It would really help if you could provide a super serious example. Perhaps involving a succubus attempting to grapple said creature or object with her mouth. With lots of details...and maybe some pictures.
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Okay guys I have a serious question. What are the rules for holding something in your mouth? Bite with grab? Tongue with pull? What works?Called shot melee attack to grab it, since you're liking aiming for something small, it would be a challenging called shot, so -10 for that, then -2 for being in a grapple. Opposed strength check to keep it held in your mouth? Or maybe just run is as a grapple between two Fine-sized creatures?
Remember, "Humanoid creatures without two free hands attempting to grapple a foe take a –4 penalty on the combat maneuver roll" so it works best if the succubus uses both hands.
I remember something in 3.5. I cannot remember if it was a feat or a feature, but you could gain the ability to grapple with one target at significant penalty so as to attempt to be able to grapple with yet another creature.
You had to be an excellent grappler though to pull it off... er... manage it.
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I'm talking about creatures that have the tongue (ex) ability and it's interaction between swallow whole(ex). Other abilities that may help are grab(ex) and pull(ex).
Good example is the giant frog. Was thinking of one as an animal companion. I had another thread about it but someone mentioned asking here too.
Also would the tongues ability let you move the target when you moved? Tongue can grapple with out giving you the condition.
Okay guys I have a serious question.Serious questions have been exiled from this thread.
Oh darn it, my bad.
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Has anyone mentioned Morrigan Aensland yet?
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Succubi are capable of shifting into any Small or Medium humanoid RAW, with no restriction on their sex.
So, if the succubus shifts into a sexy four-armed kasatha, she gets a bonus to grapple checks?
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Why would she do that?
Those two extra arms are for groping and forcefully turning the victim's head towards the tongue of the succubus, resulting in a french ki....erm, successful level drain.
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Lucky she has no restriction on sex.
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Lucky she has no restriction on sex.
Ah, but does she have any restriction during sex? I mean, shackles of compliance have already been mentioned. There ARE rules for tying up an opponent you've grappled, after all.
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Lucky she has no restriction on sex.Ah, but does she have any restriction during sex? I mean, shackles of compliance have already been mentioned. There ARE rules for tying up an opponent you've grappled, after all.
I'd ask posters to reign it in, but I'd probably be misconstrued...
I'm sorry, but if you're going to attempt to put shackles of compliance on a target Succubus, you're gonna take at least three level drain attacks. One in the grapple, one in the pin, one in the putting the shackles and rope on her.
I would argue that reigning in a Succubus is an act of passion.
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Lucky she has no restriction on sex.Ah, but does she have any restriction during sex? I mean, shackles of compliance have already been mentioned. There ARE rules for tying up an opponent you've grappled, after all.I'd ask posters to reign it in, but I'd probably be misconstrued...I'm sorry, but if you're going to attempt to put shackles of compliance on a target Succubus, you're gonna take at least three level drain attacks. One in the grapple, one in the pin, one in the putting the shackles and rope on her.
I would argue that reigning in a Succubus is an act of passion.
Also it is entirely possible that the Succubus will reverse the grapple, pin you, tie you up with the fur lined Shackles of Compliance and use her Sadist's lash make you more submissive to her Dominate Person which she gets as a 1/day SLA.
And succubi don't use safewords.
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And succubi don't use safewords.
Why am I now picturing that safeword=successful will-save.
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13 pages later, and we're all still on about this joke. It'll never get old. :Pdon't know about that...
do succubi have age categories?
Succubi have three age categories. The sadness of before they existed. The awesomeness of their existence. Followed by the melancholy of their lack of existence once more...
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I think the pre- and post-adult age categories should be re-defined as Teen, MILF and GILF.Not sure if it is from age or just from his change shape ability, but succubus usually range from the teen to the milf categories.
do succubi have age categories?
How long do succubi live? When are they considered an adult? I mean you definitely don't want to get busted for grappling with an underage succubus now!
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How long do succubi live? When are they considered an adult? I mean you definitely don't want to get busted for grappling with an underage succubus now!I think the pre- and post-adult age categories should be re-defined as Teen, MILF and GILF.Not sure if it is from age or just from his change shape ability, but succubus usually range from the teen to the milf categories.
do succubi have age categories?
As far as I know, angels, demons, and devils don't age. (I have no rules support for this view.) However succubi will attempt to look 'underage' if doing so is advantageous.
I now picture some succubi taking levels in sorcerer/wilder/telepath to eventually get to magic jar/mind switch. They keep their charisma while body hopping... not that it matters when they can look like anybody else...
I'm going to make you have fun if I have to wear you like a meat suit.
What? Too weird?
Edit: I can see a pain surge wilder working really well. I can also see powers working really well for one who grapples, as there are no gestures to make while manifesting. Hands free casting is a definite plus.
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Since we are getting into more theoretical concepts, as well as back to the spirit of the forum...
I find that Succubi synergizes well with any Charisma-based caster, especially Sorceress. Sorceress gives a lot of options and abilities that can hide my demon nature from unsuspecting party members. Also make sure I have an Angelskin Leather Armor, preferably black, tight, and shiny; to deal with all those pesky detect evil spells being thrown around.
I can see a Succubus Brawler(from the ACG), specializing in getting into that grapple and draining away. Though I have seen in recent threads, a whip-based build that uses Dex for Attack Rolls and Damage. Combo that with Dex to CMB/CMD, the various trip/wrap tricks, a leather-clad, whip-wielding Succubus. THAT would be a nice Villian or NPCS contact in an urban setting.
I'm not sure it would work in Pathfinder, but back in 3/3.5, there was a Succubus with the Vampire template that made a dangerous enemy downright frightening. Though a Succubus with a Sneak-Attack would be a very effective assassin. Throw in a method of invisibility, with the claws, charm, charisma, and powers, not only could she take out a target, but then impersonate them long enough to avoid the blame.
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The go-to Cha caster beastie in 3.5 was the nymph... doesn't surprise me if succubi have the same advantages.
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So. Somebody give the CMB for a seductive succubus suplex into an appropriate vessel of viscous edible foodstuff yet?