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"9 mythic destinies, including the fearsome apocalypse rider and the undying eternal legend."
WOOT! More options than the six PF1 mythic paths. Hopefully, there will be less stereotyping/siloing of functionality.
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ornathopter wrote:Given that this is a big book of Divine goodies, it's safe to assume a Divine Rogue of some sort might look, say, Inquisitor-shaped.keftiu wrote:Is this one renamed? What was the original?EDIT: Hello, "Avenger" Rogue. I very nearly missed you there.
What might the avenger give up/gain in a class archetype?
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keftiu wrote:What might the avenger give up/gain in a class archetype?ornathopter wrote:Given that this is a big book of Divine goodies, it's safe to assume a Divine Rogue of some sort might look, say, Inquisitor-shaped.keftiu wrote:Is this one renamed? What was the original?EDIT: Hello, "Avenger" Rogue. I very nearly missed you there.
I'm not much of a d20 designer, but at a gut check... maybe worsen a Save in exchange for Sanctified Sneak Attacks with bonus Spirit Damage?
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My guess is the Avenger will work similar to how the eldrich scoundrel used to but having some feats of it's own and grabbing Cleric feats at 1/2 level and getting gish like proficiency for spells and attacks but likely losing some of the skill increses.
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WWHsmackdown wrote:I'm not much of a d20 designer, but at a gut check... maybe worsen a Save in exchange for Sanctified Sneak Attacks with bonus Spirit Damage?keftiu wrote:What might the avenger give up/gain in a class archetype?ornathopter wrote:Given that this is a big book of Divine goodies, it's safe to assume a Divine Rogue of some sort might look, say, Inquisitor-shaped.keftiu wrote:Is this one renamed? What was the original?EDIT: Hello, "Avenger" Rogue. I very nearly missed you there.
Yo spirit damage sneak attack would be so pro.
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Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:love this cover!I mean it's great, but that horse is the wrong color.....
It's supposed to have changed color? In its previous description, it was red, soaked in blood right?
Grace of the Flame
Grace of the Flame, Szuriel's Red Horse, appears hearty and fit, unlike the three other apocalypse horses. It is soaked in blood, covered in gore, and occasionally shows horrific but cosmetic wounds on its body.
Quote for reference of what I'm talking about, for other people wondering. (I won't assume you didn't know of that, hence my question. xD I migth also have missed some published development since.)
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I will make the assumption that the concept of mythic destinies will be similar to the OwlCat game, and different mythic destinies will correspond to different planar forces that are involved in this process. Thus the apocalyptic rider is associated with Abaddon. And the undying legend is an analogue of the power of mortals, as was the Legend in the computer game. The remaining seven types of mythical leveling can also be associated with other main planes.
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Does that mean there will be no playtest for the mythic rules?
Perhaps the cover art implies that Szuriel will be a deity in Pathfinder Remaster?
Over several dead bodies.
(This is a Horseman rivalry joke and not actual book content. I mean...why all this Szuriel love? Famine is where it's at.)
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Does that mean there will be no playtest for the mythic rules?
Perhaps the cover art implies that Szuriel will be a deity in Pathfinder Remaster?
Szuriel already had a writeup in Gods & Magic, she's already been a diety.
Also, there doesn't need to be a playtest - it's very likely that the chassis of the divine paths are going to be similar to archetypes.
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Aenigma wrote:Does that mean there will be no playtest for the mythic rules?
Perhaps the cover art implies that Szuriel will be a deity in Pathfinder Remaster?
Over several dead bodies.
(This is a Horseman rivalry joke and not actual book content. I mean...why all this Szuriel love? Famine is where it's at.)
Steven is Famine. Look at his profile ;-)
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Still saying Apocalypse Rider sounds like post apocalyptic road trip movie also that they should get cooler mounts than horses if horseman part is dropped ;p
I suppose we could all drive Mustangs. I have a buddy with a Mach E, and it is irresponsibly fast.
I've always loved the idea that the Horsemen ride a unique nightmare, or even a dragon that carries a Famine or Pestilence theme or whatnot.
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I'm very nervous. Because I was a strong believer that Bloodrager could be its own class. I hope the archetype does it justice. Overall I am very excited.
Same, excited to see it come back but I would have expected to see it as an instinct rather than an archetype. Calling it a "barbarian archetype" sounds like it will only be available to barbarians which basically sounds like adding a bunch of barbarian feats with a lot of restrictions.
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pixierose wrote:I'm very nervous. Because I was a strong believer that Bloodrager could be its own class. I hope the archetype does it justice. Overall I am very excited.Same, excited to see it come back but I would have expected to see it as an instinct rather than an archetype. Calling it a "barbarian archetype" sounds like it will only be available to barbarians which basically sounds like adding a bunch of barbarian feats with a lot of restrictions.
It will be a class archetype, which usually only applies to a singular class, or a small subset of classes (like prepared spellcasters or spontaneous spellcasters).
If I were to garner a guess, some of the Barbarian's restrictions on Concentrate trait actions while Raging will be removed for Bloodragers, so they can be able to Cast a Spell while Raging. And Bloodragers, like most class archetypes, will get a larger bucket of feats to choose from VS other Instincts.
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Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:love this cover!I mean it's great, but that horse is the wrong color.....
Elfteiroh wrote:Steven T. Helt wrote:Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:love this cover!Ha! It's perfect of course. Just a little Four Horsemen rivalry. I prefer my mounts pitch black.
The horses are those specific colors because Paizo based their horsemen on the ones from Christian mythology.
I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”
When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
Although I should note that the word translated here as 'pale' can also mean a shade of green or greenish-yellow.