Pathfinder Player Core

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Well now, this is interesting. I'm assuming this is primarily a re-issue to get the system under the ORC license? That's going to be a hard sell to people who already own the CRB/GMG/APG.

How extensive are the class rebalances? Is the Witch going to be buffed?

Correct. The rules will be compatible, so if it's a "hard sell" that's ok, because they should work together. The core system isn't changing.

I'd rather have a soft sell. (Pocket edition)

Nephilim…

Blog: Announcing the Pathfinder Second Edition Remaster Project

Nephilim…

Legally distinct Aasimar, if I had to guess.

Wait, no pocket edition?

Wait, no pocket edition?

Don't worry, the main article says that those will be out like three months after the hardcovers.

I'd rather have a soft sell. (Pocket edition)

We'll release softcover Pocket Editions of the new books three months after their hardcover release.

Nephilim…

That jumped out at me too...you know what that means! IT'S SPECULATION TIME!

keftiu wrote:

Nephilim…

Legally distinct Aasimar, if I had to guess.

PF1 had Nephilim as a separate thing from Aasimar, I don’t personally expect that to change now.

Interesting that they changed the "base" classes

Looks like Alchemist, Barbarian, Monk, and Sorcerer are being moved out of "Core 1" and into "Core 2".
EDIT: And Champion, good call Archpaladin Zousha.

I assume the Nephilim is either going to be Aasimar 2, a catch-all for all extraplanar versatile heritages, or specifically demigod descendants like the 1e lore.

Thebazilly wrote:

keftiu wrote:

Nephilim…

Legally distinct Aasimar, if I had to guess.

PF1 had Nephilim as a separate thing from Aasimar, I don’t personally expect that to change now.

We'll have more to say at Paizocon, and perhaps even at the twitch stream in a few hours. About this specific topic, I'm not sure.

Looks like Alchemist, Barbarian, Monk, and Sorcerer are being moved out of "Core 1" and into "Core 2".

Champion too!

I don't understand.
Will there be something new (spells, some class changes)?
Or there will be only erratas?

I don't understand.

Will there be something new (spells, some class changes)?
Or there will be only erratas?

It does mention

"versatile heritages, like the changeling and nephilim, skills and feats, and hundreds of spells (including dozens of new ones)"

and

"revisions to the witch, expanded options for every character class, streamlined spells, new equipment, and more!

Random comment, but could dwarves and halflings finally get names that aren't relative to the size of other ancestries? You gave lizardmen, ratfolk, and catfolk real names, it'd be nice to see two core ancestries have reasonable names.

I approve of the move to separate player and GM books.

Kobolds once again told to go back to their caves and sewers?

I assume the Nephilim is either going to be Aasimar 2, a catch-all for all extraplanar versatile heritages, or specifically demigod descendants like the 1e lore.

Neither Aasimar or Tiefling are mentioned here or in Player Core 2, but Changelings, Dhampirs, and Duskwalkers all get mentions in one or the other. My guess is that Nephilim is a catch-all heritage that combines both Aasimar and Tiefling under it; possibly more neutral divine heritage lineages, too.

Kobolds once again told to go back to their caves and sewers?

They’re in PC2:

The catfolk, gnoll, hobgoblin, kobold, lizardfolk, ratfolk, and tengu, alongside three versatile heritages—the dhampir, duskwalker, and an all-new heritage debuting in this volume!

It is the end... Slow spell with the Incapacitation trait hahahaha!!!

It says these are part of the core rulebook subscription. Is there any chance that those of us who already own the core rulebooks up to this date can opt-out of that?

I am interested in core rules. I'm not interested in core rule reprints.

Waye Timespun wrote:

Kobolds once again told to go back to their caves and sewers?

They’re in PC2:

Quote:

The catfolk, gnoll, hobgoblin, kobold, lizardfolk, ratfolk, and tengu, alongside three versatile heritages—the dhampir, duskwalker, and an all-new heritage debuting in this volume!

Appreciate your diligence in seeing this -- too used to hearing 'maybe, someday, if you do hard work and if everything works out just right'!

It says these are part of the core rulebook subscription. Is there any chance that those of us who already own the core rulebooks up to this date can opt-out of that?

I am interested in core rules. I'm not interested in core rule reprints.

Pathfinder Second Edition Remaster books will be included in ongoing Pathfinder Rulebooks subscriptions. We are currently working on a method whereby existing subscribers will have the opportunity to “opt out” of these volumes if they wish and will provide additional details as we get closer to the release of the first two volumes.

Thanks, though apparently these are not just errata reprints, but is more like Pathfinder 2.5e with the removal of alignments so I'm just going to cash in my chips.

Anybody who wants to quote and reply and gaslight me into thinking this isn't Pathfinder 2.5e, save your breath.

Thanks, though apparently these are not just errata reprints, but is more like Pathfinder 2.5e with the removal of alignments so I'm just going to cash in my chips.

Anybody who wants to quote and reply and gaslight me into thinking this isn't Pathfinder 2.5e, save your breath.

**Eats Leon Aquilla's delicious chips.**

I assume adding back alignment will be an optional rule or easy homebrew. I wouldn't use it, but you could.

Leon: If it's PF2.5, and it is backwards compatible with PF2.0, what does it change for you?

Golurkcanfly wrote:

I assume the Nephilim is either going to be Aasimar 2, a catch-all for all extraplanar versatile heritages, or specifically demigod descendants like the 1e lore.

Neither Aasimar or Tiefling are mentioned here or in Player Core 2, but Changelings, Dhampirs, and Duskwalkers all get mentions in one or the other. My guess is that Nephilim is a catch-all heritage that combines both Aasimar and Tiefling under it; possibly more neutral divine heritage lineages, too.

THAT would be extremely interesting.

Ashanderai wrote:

Golurkcanfly wrote:

I assume the Nephilim is either going to be Aasimar 2, a catch-all for all extraplanar versatile heritages, or specifically demigod descendants like the 1e lore.

Neither Aasimar or Tiefling are mentioned here or in Player Core 2, but Changelings, Dhampirs, and Duskwalkers all get mentions in one or the other. My guess is that Nephilim is a catch-all heritage that combines both Aasimar and Tiefling under it; possibly more neutral divine heritage lineages, too.

THAT would be extremely interesting.

It would also potentially open it up a bit more for other ancestries (a la Ancestry Guide)

I wasn't expecting to be as cautiously optimistic as I currently am when I woke up this morning!

Snarfburger wrote:

I'd rather have a soft sell. (Pocket edition)

We'll release softcover Pocket Editions of the new books three months after their hardcover release.

My desire to opt out and buy these as pocket editions (because I was thinking I wanted Core Pocket Editions anyway, and they're a bit cheaper, so I could kill two birds with one stone by getting the same content in this new form) is warring with my desire to own an updating pdf, hmm.

WITCH REVISION!!! ITS HAPPENING!!!!!

Erik Mona wrote:

Snarfburger wrote:

I'd rather have a soft sell. (Pocket edition)

We'll release softcover Pocket Editions of the new books three months after their hardcover release.

My desire to opt out and buy these as pocket editions (because I was thinking I wanted Core Pocket Editions anyway, and they're a bit cheaper, so I could kill two birds with one stone by getting the same content in this new form) is warring with my desire to own an updating pdf, hmm.

God, my desire for a pocket edition Sub increases by the week.

The-Magic-Sword wrote:

Erik Mona wrote:

Snarfburger wrote:

I'd rather have a soft sell. (Pocket edition)

We'll release softcover Pocket Editions of the new books three months after their hardcover release.

My desire to opt out and buy these as pocket editions (because I was thinking I wanted Core Pocket Editions anyway, and they're a bit cheaper, so I could kill two birds with one stone by getting the same content in this new form) is warring with my desire to own an updating pdf, hmm.

God, my desire for a pocket edition Sub increases by the week.

I can't officially announce a Pocket Edition sub. (I am advocating for it internally, however.) ;)

Revisions to the Witch is the best news I've heard all year, but at the same time, I really, REALLY hope we don't lose Ganzi. I love them so, so much!

Revisions to the Witch is the best news I've heard all year, but at the same time, I really, REALLY hope we don't lose Ganzi. I love them so, so much!

Even if something isn't reprinted, we aren't losing it- heritages and ancestries are presumably still working the same way.

Revisions to the Witch is the best news I've heard all year, but at the same time, I really, REALLY hope we don't lose Ganzi. I love them so, so much!

You can still use them just fine - the Lost Omens Ancestry Guide isn't going anywhere, and I believe they're original to Pathfinder.

EDIT: I may have spoken too soon! They said on stream that Nephilim is an umbrella Versatile Heritage that covers a bunch of prior individual VHs.

Since aasimar are now nephilim, does that mean 1e nephilim don't exist anymore? :'D or are like uber aasimars?

Is tieflings now fiendspawn or something? Hmm

Random comment, but could dwarves and halflings finally get names that aren't relative to the size of other ancestries? You gave lizardmen, ratfolk, and catfolk real names, it'd be nice to see two core ancestries have reasonable names.

Do note, dwarf is mythological term that humans started to use as reference to being short because mythological being was short.

So I think it makes sense that dwarf IS their own name for themselves.

3.5 was my favorite edition, I'm looking forward to 2.5.

Vali Nepjarson wrote:

Revisions to the Witch is the best news I've heard all year, but at the same time, I really, REALLY hope we don't lose Ganzi. I love them so, so much!

Even if something isn't reprinted, we aren't losing it- heritages and ancestries are presumably still working the same way.

I didn't elaborate very well on that. Since Ganzi currently don't have a lot of (really any) support since they were first introduced in the Lost Omens: Ancestry Guide, I have been patiently waiting for an expansion for them that gives more of the classic PF1 abilities, and new ones beyond that. I worry that if all the "aligned" heritages are grouped under just Nephilim, Paizo will not feel the need to go back and address Ganzi specifically.

It could on the other hand mean any source going forward that includes Nephilim content will be able to have Ganzi specific feats that wouldn't have been there before because under the older system they would just have had book space for the more popular Aasimar and Tieflings.

I can really see it go either way. I am just hoping that this leads to greater diversity, not homogenization.

Woah, $60 per book, and you need at least THREE of them!?

$180 is a BIG ASK for the bare basics you need to play the dang game.

An EDITING REQUEST: it would make the rules much more readable if the same baseline things weren't repeated over and over. For example, instead of giving the exact same rules for when you get new skill feats for every core class (except the rogue), just define that once in a section called something like "The Skill Feats That Every Class Gets" and then add a section for the rogue (and later the investigator, swashbuckler, etc.) that indicates that they get some EXTRA skill feats.

This wouldn't be changing anything from how things already are now, but it would draw the reader's attention to the fact that there is something unusual from the norm for the Rogue, and it would also allow the reader to not have to read the same baseline pattern over and over again, wondering if there is anything different that they need to note.

Woah, $60 per book, and you need at least THREE of them!?

$180 is a BIG ASK for the bare basics you need to play the dang game.

All the rules are available for free on Archives of Nethys! So you really don't need to spend any money. $60 for a beautifully illustrated hardcover book is perfectly reasonable I think!

Are both the new player core and gm core both coming out in the same month? If so that will be a very expensive month for subscribers. Both of these plus at least the AP book for about 147 roughly.

I would honestly rather seem one delayed a month to spread it out some.

I would honestly rather seem one delayed a month to spread it out some.

I’m sure having them out in time for people to buy before Christmas is a factor towards them both dropping in November.

Demonskunk wrote:

Woah, $60 per book, and you need at least THREE of them!?

$180 is a BIG ASK for the bare basics you need to play the dang game.

All the rules are available for free on Archives of Nethys! So you really don't need to spend any money. $60 for a beautifully illustrated hardcover book is perfectly reasonable I think!

Like, you're not wrong, but I'm still upset.