Pathfinder Tokens: Bestiaries (Foundry VTT)

From my vantage point at least, this product is currently marketed as "you get all the token art for pathfinder in foundry". I fully intend for my group to use only Orc-based non-OGL monsters from the new bestiaries when they come out.

I mean this has always been a misconception since it's only the Bestiary monsters, and not any AP monsters, no Book of the Dead or Dark Archive monsters, it's always been just the three Bestiaries, and it still will be.

I would assume that since this product likely contains ogl content, that Paizo will stop selling this in its current form just like the current rulebooks once the new ones come out. This is understandable.

They're not going to stop selling this, nor are they going to stop selling OGL rulebooks. The PDFs of the original CRB, Bestiary, APG and GMG will still be available, and all the OGL rulebooks that aren't those will continue to get reprinted.

For myself, and I suspect for many others, it will be a hard pill if purchasing this token pack becomes obsolete. Paizo would have another $60 dollars of my money right to help pay for development, if Paizo can state intent to honer this purchase for the updated bestiaries. $60 dollars is asking users to nearly double the total cost to add the token packs on top of their pdf collection of the same content. I do believe that is justified, but only once.

The token pack won't become obsolete.

Right now the decision is buy what may be a doomed product, or have no token art in foundry for pf2 until long after all the new bestiaries are available.

You realize you can add your own token art right? And the monsters that are still in both the Monster Core and the token pack will still have tokens.

Drew585 wrote:

From my vantage point at least, this product is currently marketed as "you get all the token art for pathfinder in foundry". I fully intend for my group to use only Orc-based non-OGL monsters from the new bestiaries when they come out.

I mean this has always been a misconception since it's only the Bestiary monsters, and not any AP monsters, no Book of the Dead or Dark Archive monsters, it's always been just the three Bestiaries, and it still will be.

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I would assume that since this product likely contains ogl content, that Paizo will stop selling this in its current form just like the current rulebooks once the new ones come out. This is understandable.

They're not going to stop selling this, nor are they going to stop selling OGL rulebooks. The PDFs of the original CRB, Bestiary, APG and GMG will still be available, and all the OGL rulebooks that aren't those will continue to get reprinted.

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For myself, and I suspect for many others, it will be a hard pill if purchasing this token pack becomes obsolete. Paizo would have another $60 dollars of my money right to help pay for development, if Paizo can state intent to honer this purchase for the updated bestiaries. $60 dollars is asking users to nearly double the total cost to add the token packs on top of their pdf collection of the same content. I do believe that is justified, but only once.

The token pack won't become obsolete.

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Right now the decision is buy what may be a doomed product, or have no token art in foundry for pf2 until long after all the new bestiaries are available.

You realize you can add your own token art right? And the monsters that are still in both the Monster Core and the token pack will still have tokens.

Yes. Thank you.

Cori Marie wrote:

Drew585 wrote:

From my vantage point at least, this product is currently marketed as "you get all the token art for pathfinder in foundry". I fully intend for my group to use only Orc-based non-OGL monsters from the new bestiaries when they come out.

I mean this has always been a misconception since it's only the Bestiary monsters, and not any AP monsters, no Book of the Dead or Dark Archive monsters, it's always been just the three Bestiaries, and it still will be.

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I would assume that since this product likely contains ogl content, that Paizo will stop selling this in its current form just like the current rulebooks once the new ones come out. This is understandable.

They're not going to stop selling this, nor are they going to stop selling OGL rulebooks. The PDFs of the original CRB, Bestiary, APG and GMG will still be available, and all the OGL rulebooks that aren't those will continue to get reprinted.

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For myself, and I suspect for many others, it will be a hard pill if purchasing this token pack becomes obsolete. Paizo would have another $60 dollars of my money right to help pay for development, if Paizo can state intent to honer this purchase for the updated bestiaries. $60 dollars is asking users to nearly double the total cost to add the token packs on top of their pdf collection of the same content. I do believe that is justified, but only once.

The token pack won't become obsolete.

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Right now the decision is buy what may be a doomed product, or have no token art in foundry for pf2 until long after all the new bestiaries are available.

You realize you can add your own token art right? And the monsters that are still in both the Monster Core and the token pack will still have tokens.

Yes. Thank you.

On my comment about the marketing, I recognize I worded it poorly and make an edit. From my vantage point, its currently marketed as giving you all the token art for all the monsters from the "main" monster books not including adventure path special monsters which would come when purchasing foundryvtt licenses for adventure paths.

I am aware that I can add tokens myself. To quote a much earlier post from you:

"$60 for all the monsters in all the Bestiaries is an absolute steal too. Just an immense time savings and great production value for that price."

I absolutely fully agree with you. The biggest value is the saved time. I can find usable pretty artwork on interwebs for every monster and make my own tokens for free. $60 dollars is a good price because of the time savings.

I also understand that for the monsters that receive only statblock, name, or formatting updates, the current tokens would still be appropriate. This begs questions however.

When monsters receive mechanical updates, will they be double listed in the foundryvtt pf2e system module? If so, would the current token pack automatically apply the relevant tokens to both entries?

When monsters receive mechanical updates, will they overwrite the existing monster entries with updated versions? If so would those inherit the tokens from bestiary 1,2,3 pack automatically?

If one way or another, the tokens in this pack that remain relevant are automatically assigned to the new stat blocks wherever possible, that would go a long way towards alleviating my concerns.

What I would find unacceptable is if after buying this token pack, I drag a statblock from new monster core compendium to my VTT with blank artwork, even tho that monster had artwork in the old bestiary 1,2,3 pack. I know I would have the files on my computer and can attach them myself, but again, the value of buying the token art is time savings.

While not ideal, I could accept if in order to access new art for genuinely new monsters in the new books, that required an additional purchase of just that new content. Maybe the "monster core 1 foundryvtt token pack" has a discounted version for ppl who own this bestiary 1,2,3 pack. Then continue that discount for monster core 2 and 3.

I understand that a lot is going on right now at Paizo and this will take some time to figure out how to proceed. I will continue waiting for more information. I would bet that many potential buyers of this are going to be sitting and waiting with me.

When monsters receive mechanical updates, will they be double listed in the foundryvtt pf2e system module? If so, would the current token pack automatically apply the relevant tokens to both entries?

When monsters receive mechanical updates, will they overwrite the existing monster entries with updated versions? If so would those inherit the tokens from bestiary 1,2,3 pack automatically?
I understand that a lot is going on right now at Paizo and this will take some time to figure out how to proceed.

If you look at the top of the page, you'll notice that this is a Foundry Virtual Tabletop product, not a Paizo product.

In the blog post it says, "Purchasing this product from the Paizo store will grant you an activation code which can be used through your Foundry VTT account page to activate the content for installation. "

All your questions about how this works on Foundry are questions for the coding team at Foundry. This is not a Paizo product, and Paizo staff aren't making those decisions. It's a 3rd-party product, created and sold by an entirely different company.

You'll need to express your concerns to the people who are making and selling this product.

And the Foundry team have said repeatedly that they don't currently know the extent of the Remaster changes and can't actively plan for that until they do. Have patience.

If we get a new "token pack" I hope that we at least get some kind of sale price or so...

If the art is reused I can see that being a case, but if it’s not I don’t see why you would, the same as if they released a Bestairy 4, 5, and 6 token pack.

That all said I don’t know if they’ve stated anywhere how the art for Monster Core is being handled.

In fact it's been explicitly stated that they don't know how it's being handled. The book is not available for partners to even glimpse at yet, so they don't know what they have to work with. Have patience.

Thanks Cori Marie.

We know players want more tokens and we will work on a way to make them available to you as soon as we can, in partnership with Foundry VTT. There will be new creatures (dragons!) in the Monster Core, which will release in March of 2024, so I don't expect any updates until then.

Thanks for playing Pathfinder!

Personally I have huge faith in the hard working and dedicated team behind the Pathfinder Foundry products. I have no doubt that they will do whatever is required once they know the extent of changes/new monsters/etc.

If you purchase this package, does it give you the pictures in image files that you can open in other applications or is this only able to be viewed in a vtt?

Yeah, well.. that covers the portrait images for the beasts, now how about you put the portrait images in the box that they belong in, and give us the top-down tokens?

If you purchase this package, does it give you the pictures in image files that you can open in other applications or is this only able to be viewed in a vtt?

I'm pretty sure you need Foundry VTT to download the package. But once you have, the images are all on your computer as .webps for use whereever. I've even done some Photoshop edits for homebrew or weird variant creatures.

I would love a Lost Omens pack for Foundry!

Hey everyone! I am new to Foundry and just bought this pack.
I wanted to use the images (tokens) for 5E but I am having issues. The only images when in the 5E game that show are the ones that are mapped to the SRD monsters, nothing else shows in the compendium page. How do I search and use the images themselves (minus the stat block and mapping) from directly in the Foundry VTT when the bestiary pack is enabled?
Thanks for any help.

Hey everyone! I am new to Foundry and just bought this pack.

I wanted to use the images (tokens) for 5E but I am having issues. The only images when in the 5E game that show are the ones that are mapped to the SRD monsters, nothing else shows in the compendium page. How do I search and use the images themselves (minus the stat block and mapping) from directly in the Foundry VTT when the bestiary pack is enabled?
Thanks for any help.

If the module is installed (doesn't even have to be enabled), the token art resides in your foundry modules folder. For example, mine is here (your location will vary based on where you installed Foundry and set your data folder): C:\foundry\FoundryData\Data\modules\pf2e-tokens-bestiaries

Inside Foundry itself, when picking the art for a token/actor, you'll browse to a path like that inside foundry, then pick the image you want. The art is all images so you pick them the way you'd pick art for any actor.

Will those be automatically updated with the Remaster?

Does this get updated with additional monsters after they get released? Seems like not since rage of elements' monsters aren't listed.

This only contains what is in Bestiary 1, 2, and 3.

Just here to voice that this is amazing and eagerly awaiting for the next one to drop.

I just bought it, pretty neat 1200+ tokens.

Now don't get me wrong, how much $60 is to you depends on the region in the world, what kind of work you do, your experience, and a whole lot of luck. But...

Looking as you already spent $60 on Foundry VTT and got the whole PF2e rules system for free with it, spending another $60 on getting all the monsters illustrated and tokenized in style X isn't that unreasonable. Especially when normally people pay $100s for the stuff Paizo gives away for free via their SRD. Unless you bought the bulk of your collection of Paizo PDFs via Humble Bundle (like I did)...

I expect to do a ton of these manually anyway because I want tokens for editions/products that are no longer mainstream or supported. Looking at what my time is worth, that $60 is very little compared to the time I'll spend making these. Can and will I setup a more efficient workflow, probably, but that also takes time to design, test, run and QA. Not to mention getting all the resources organized and then in a workable/deployable format. People who can do this in a weekend generally get an hourly wage that's multiples of this product...

Paizo is getting their license fees (as they provide all the artwork, I suspect that this is not insignificant).
Foundry is getting their cut (keys).
The people working on this get their hourly wage (generally upfront).
IF anything is left after that, that is profit for whomever runs this project. But generally working in the RPG business doesn't earn you the big bucks. A common joke in the gaming business is that if you want to make some money in this business, you better start with a LOT of money. That has a kernel of truth to it!

And the funny thing here is, I'm not currently running Pathfinder, we're currently playing a 5e campaign and this has a file that maps some of the monsters to 5e equivalents. After figuring out how to make which product/artstyle leading, it works great for 5e!

Can you do a LOT of this yourself? Absolutely! But you would only do it yourself if you don't value your time.

Love this package, but I'd like to know if there are any plans to update it for compatibility with Monster Core, and if there are, will the update be free for existing owners or a paid add-on?

Haven't seen any information posted yet about this, but will the Token Pack be updated with mapping for the new Monster Core book?

I have not bought this yet. Do you think it worth getting now or should I wait until we know more about monster core?

Is this module getting updated from remaster? Or are they launching another one? I don't know what's the usual Paizo moves in regards to that.

Is this module getting updated from remaster? Or are they launching another one? I don't know what's the usual Paizo moves in regards to that.

1: It's the first product of it kinds from Foundry, so there's no "usual moves". Remaster is considered a big errata pass from Paizo, so we could maybe think they could treat it like that... BUT we have seen multiple 3rd party treat it differently. Demiplane, AoN, and the PF2 FoundryVTT volunteers all have different takes on how to manage it... And the team working on that product is another "entity" separated from these 3. So hard to say.

Thye could do different things:
- They could do a new product. That would be the "ideal" for compatibility reason. People using old monsters, or prefering the old designs could just ignore the new product. This also pay for the extra work that would be needed to be put in. BUT, the Foundry people have surprised us more than once with way lower prices (or lack thereof) than expected. Also, this keeps things simple, one is linked to OGL, the other isn't. But being mostly pictures, I think it's not that relevant.
- They could update that one and keep the removed monsters, and just update and add the changed/new ones. This is very tricky, and they would also need to make a decision about renamed ones... they could also leave the old arts when there's supdated art, but one would need to set it manually if they prefer it.
- They could update that one and remove everything removed, and update everything so that it fit the new monster core. That would STILL mix up OGL and ORC because they would need to keep most of the Bestiary 2 and 3 stuff... and as mentioned above, I'm not sure that's even NEEDED. So that's very unlikely.

MsProudmoore wrote:

Is this module getting updated from remaster? Or are they launching another one? I don't know what's the usual Paizo moves in regards to that.

1: It's the first product of it kinds from Foundry, so there's no "usual moves". Remaster is considered a big errata pass from Paizo, so we could maybe think they could treat it like that... BUT we have seen multiple 3rd party treat it differently. Demiplane, AoN, and the PF2 FoundryVTT volunteers all have different takes on how to manage it... And the team working on that product is another "entity" separated from these 3. So hard to say.

2: Which bring us to: It's not a Paizo product. :P It was made by a small team directly from FoundryVTT.
3: Nobody have said anything about it. Last comment we had was "We are thinking about what we will do.", and it was some time ago.

Thye could do different things:
- They could do a new product. That would be the "ideal" for compatibility reason. People using old monsters, or prefering the old designs could just ignore the new product. This also pay for the extra work that would be needed to be put in. BUT, the Foundry people have surprised us more than once with way lower prices (or lack thereof) than expected. Also, this keeps things simple, one is linked to OGL, the other isn't. But being mostly pictures, I think it's not that relevant.
- They could update that one and keep the removed monsters, and just update and add the changed/new ones. This is very tricky, and they would also need to make a decision about renamed ones... they could also leave the old arts when there's supdated art, but one would need to set it manually if they prefer it.
- They could update that one and remove everything removed, and update everything so that it fit the new monster core. That would STILL mix up OGL and ORC because they would need to keep most of the Bestiary 2 and 3 stuff... and as mentioned above, I'm not sure that's even NEEDED. So that's very unlikely.

Thank you so much! That was very very helpful. ♥

For all asking about the remaster and Monster Core - This pack is mainly artwork as the Foundry system has all the creatures in the compendium. This module just links the artwork to the existing tokens in Foundry.

So, it is really dependent on how foundry and the PF2E foundry team update the system.

Foundry maps by ID and not name, and Monster Core creatures have different IDs than their counterparts of the same name in the Bestiaries. So if they decided to add Monster Core creatures to this pack they not only wouldn’t have to remove anything, but it’d make no sense to.

That being said we have no idea if they’re gonna add them here or make and sell a second product for MC yet.

There is a module in the works that maps the Bestiary Token pack art to the Monster Core entries that match, but there will still be some that are new or weren't in the initial bestiaries.

So, now that Foundry's 12.319 release notes have dropped, I can announce that there will in fact be a brand new official Monster Core Token Pack releasing shortly after the official release of Foundry v12, and that it will not only include all of the art from the Monster Core book, it will fully support v12's new Dynamic Token Engine core feature (which you can read all about at https://foundryvtt.com/releases/12.319, if you haven't already), allowing you to apply all kinds of neat condition-related effects to your tokens automatically, without the use of any additional modules!

(This is not strictly related to the existing Bestiary token pack, which will continue to be the definitive token collection for all three pre-Remaster Bestiaries, but since people have been asking about Monster Core support for Foundry here, it seemed like the right place to share the news.)

So that will be like the first "possibility" that I presented in my previous post: a completely new product. Interesting. Make sense considering the fancy new stuff about the dynamic token effects.

And as it will only cover one book, the price should be lower than this one.

So, now that Foundry's 12.319 release notes have dropped, I can announce that there will in fact be a brand new official Monster Core Token Pack releasing shortly after the official release of Foundry v12, and that it will not only include all of the art from the Monster Core book, it will fully support v12's new Dynamic Token Engine core feature (which you can read all about at https://foundryvtt.com/releases/12.319, if you haven't already), allowing you to apply all kinds of neat condition-related effects to your tokens automatically, without the use of any additional modules!

(This is not strictly related to the existing Bestiary token pack, which will continue to be the definitive token collection for all three pre-Remaster Bestiaries, but since people have been asking about Monster Core support for Foundry here, it seemed like the right place to share the news.)

will the prior token pack recieve the same treatment?

Hm. Looks like I need to update my Foundry app. And probably most of my packages.

Note that as of right now, FoundryVTT 12 is NOT released yet, it's still all in testing phase, and the PF2 system is NOT updated to be compatible.

(This is a general warning for everyone, because I have seen people accidentaly updating too early to in-development versions multiple times in the past. If you need to jump through hoops to update to a version, it's probably a test version.)

Well, I think I'm still on Foundry 10.something so... :-)

You definitely want to get off of Foundry 10, 11 has been out for nearly a year, and you're missing lots of PF2 updates if you're not on 11. (Including Rage of Elements and all the Remaster updates)

Good news! There has been an update to the module that extended the mapping to Monster Core creatures. It doesn't add any new art, so creatures that don't have an equivalent in the Bestiaries (or creatures like Archons or the Purple/Cave Worm that have changed significantly) aren't mapped, but it should at least help with switching to Monster Core versions of monsters

Good news! There has been an update to the module that extended the mapping to Monster Core creatures. It doesn't add any new art, so creatures that don't have an equivalent in the Bestiaries (or creatures like Archons or the Purple/Cave Worm that have changed significantly) aren't mapped, but it should at least help with switching to Monster Core versions of monsters

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Yeah same. I was like "I can't wait and it will probably take a while for paizo. Guess I scan the Monster Core for every new artwork and create tokens myself. And also implement it into new creatures I want to use on foundry."

And then shortly after I finished the mapping happened.

It's very welcome that they did that mapping and update!

I know it'd be a lot of work but I'd be really down for more token packs like this for mapping for different books as a collection. Something that combines previous books such as *Guns and Gears*, *Secrets of Magic* and *Dark Archives* would be wonderful.