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This update makes me interested in trying starfinder, where before I was not. Likely to yank from starfinder 2 items for pathfinder 2 as well. Looking forwards to this.

Cori Marie wrote:

Drew585 wrote:

From my vantage point at least, this product is currently marketed as "you get all the token art for pathfinder in foundry". I fully intend for my group to use only Orc-based non-OGL monsters from the new bestiaries when they come out.

I mean this has always been a misconception since it's only the Bestiary monsters, and not any AP monsters, no Book of the Dead or Dark Archive monsters, it's always been just the three Bestiaries, and it still will be.

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I would assume that since this product likely contains ogl content, that Paizo will stop selling this in its current form just like the current rulebooks once the new ones come out. This is understandable.

They're not going to stop selling this, nor are they going to stop selling OGL rulebooks. The PDFs of the original CRB, Bestiary, APG and GMG will still be available, and all the OGL rulebooks that aren't those will continue to get reprinted.

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For myself, and I suspect for many others, it will be a hard pill if purchasing this token pack becomes obsolete. Paizo would have another $60 dollars of my money right to help pay for development, if Paizo can state intent to honer this purchase for the updated bestiaries. $60 dollars is asking users to nearly double the total cost to add the token packs on top of their pdf collection of the same content. I do believe that is justified, but only once.

The token pack won't become obsolete.

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Right now the decision is buy what may be a doomed product, or have no token art in foundry for pf2 until long after all the new bestiaries are available.

You realize you can add your own token art right? And the monsters that are still in both the Monster Core and the token pack will still have tokens.

Yes. Thank you.

On my comment about the marketing, I recognize I worded it poorly and make an edit. From my vantage point, its currently marketed as giving you all the token art for all the monsters from the "main" monster books not including adventure path special monsters which would come when purchasing foundryvtt licenses for adventure paths.

I am aware that I can add tokens myself. To quote a much earlier post from you:

"$60 for all the monsters in all the Bestiaries is an absolute steal too. Just an immense time savings and great production value for that price."

I absolutely fully agree with you. The biggest value is the saved time. I can find usable pretty artwork on interwebs for every monster and make my own tokens for free. $60 dollars is a good price because of the time savings.

I also understand that for the monsters that receive only statblock, name, or formatting updates, the current tokens would still be appropriate. This begs questions however.

When monsters receive mechanical updates, will they be double listed in the foundryvtt pf2e system module? If so, would the current token pack automatically apply the relevant tokens to both entries?

When monsters receive mechanical updates, will they overwrite the existing monster entries with updated versions? If so would those inherit the tokens from bestiary 1,2,3 pack automatically?

If one way or another, the tokens in this pack that remain relevant are automatically assigned to the new stat blocks wherever possible, that would go a long way towards alleviating my concerns.

What I would find unacceptable is if after buying this token pack, I drag a statblock from new monster core compendium to my VTT with blank artwork, even tho that monster had artwork in the old bestiary 1,2,3 pack. I know I would have the files on my computer and can attach them myself, but again, the value of buying the token art is time savings.

While not ideal, I could accept if in order to access new art for genuinely new monsters in the new books, that required an additional purchase of just that new content. Maybe the "monster core 1 foundryvtt token pack" has a discounted version for ppl who own this bestiary 1,2,3 pack. Then continue that discount for monster core 2 and 3.

I understand that a lot is going on right now at Paizo and this will take some time to figure out how to proceed. I will continue waiting for more information. I would bet that many potential buyers of this are going to be sitting and waiting with me.

Aaron Shanks wrote:

Drew585 wrote:

Will this be updated to include monster core, monster core 2, monster core 3 when those come out?

We do not have a statement at this time.

From my vantage point at least, this product is currently marketed as "you get all the token art for pathfinder in foundry". I fully intend for my group to use only Orc-based non-OGL monsters from the new bestiaries when they come out.

I would assume that since this product likely contains ogl content, that Paizo will stop selling this in its current form just like the current rulebooks once the new ones come out. This is understandable.

I understand not updating the PDF's for the remaster , as I expect the majority of the text will be fresh and new since far more is being improved than removing ogl content. While I understand that the amount of new art would be significant, most of what is in the bestiaries won't need updating.

For myself, and I suspect for many others, it will be a hard pill if purchasing this token pack becomes obsolete. Paizo would have another $60 dollars of my money right to help pay for development, if Paizo can state intent to honer this purchase for the updated bestiaries. $60 dollars is asking users to nearly double the total cost to add the token packs on top of their pdf collection of the same content. I do believe that is justified, but only once.

Right now the decision is buy what may be a doomed product, or have no token art in foundry for pf2 until long after all the new bestiaries are available.

I myself will be waiting, which means my players' pathfinder experience until new one is available will be worse than it could have been for no reason.

I would venture to guess that since this product is relatively new, the number of people that have already purchased it who _may_ choose to re-buy later is small. I don't see many people buying this between now and remastered token pack anyways. I'd bet that a statment promising to honer this purchase would have little to no reduction in long term revenue, and get a boost right now.

I'll be waiting patiently and checking this page's description for any updates.

Will this be updated to include monster core, monster core 2, monster core 3 when those come out?

I was able to take advantage of the code, but missed the part about adding the 'Lost Omens' PDF to my cart. Still very grateful for the discount, though! :)

I got lost omens without having to buy anything else. Give it another try!