Just want to say these look absolutely gorgeous. I'm consistently impressed by the dedication shown in the Paizo-released Foundry modules and this one looks spectacular so far. I can't wait to get home and give it a test run.
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Could we have npc tokens next, please? And/or more APs
Just in time to put on my Christmas list. On top of that they look absolutely phenomenal. I love how some of them are bigger than the actual token showing their true size or the one with the long neck to better illustrate how it's long neck gives it reach.
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Would it be possible to get a version of this that's just the tokens (i.e. not the integrated stat blocks)? I'd pay this much just to have the tokens usable on Roll20, don't care about using the built in stat blocks though.
I'll be getting this as soon as I'm able to.
Would it be possible to get a version of this that's just the tokens (i.e. not the integrated stat blocks)? I'd pay this much just to have the tokens usable on Roll20, don't care about using the built in stat blocks though.
As the stat blocks are already a part of foundry, I don't think this has anything to do with it. However I'm not sure if you can reverse engineer this to get at the artwork.
Would it be possible to get a version of this that's just the tokens (i.e. not the integrated stat blocks)? I'd pay this much just to have the tokens usable on Roll20, don't care about using the built in stat blocks though.As the stat blocks are already a part of foundry, I don't think this has anything to do with it. However I'm not sure if you can reverse engineer this to get at the artwork.
I know it's not feasible to buy this and do that, I was asking if Paizo could make a separate product that's just the token graphic files.
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These *are* just the graphic files. You will find them in a folder, portraits and rings.
All the "module" does is "map" the images to the actors (stat blocks) so you should be able to use them on Roll 20.
However, if you are playing PF2E you really really really should check out and use Foundry VTT. You get 100% of the PF2E content for free! (Every creature, feat, spell, etc) and it's just the best experience IMO.
Instantly buying these. These are fantastic!
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Initial reaction- I'm not terribly fond of the art extending outside of the token ring in regards to managing spacing and movement (like the one pic of the dragon) but I'd like to hear how it plays out in use which might turn me around on it.
I'm a fan of it. I think it adds to the flavor. I don't use pog style tokens, and when I make tokens that have parts like that, I always prefer them to overhang.
Extremely stoked to see this!!
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$60 for tokens is far above the market price. I would have dropped $10
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$60 for tokens is far above the market price. I would have dropped $10
I went and checked the most popular roll20 token packs (sorting by most popular, top three results), and those are $6 for 36, 39, or 34 tokens. For the most popular bordered tokens (a more comparable selection), it's $6 for 50 or 52 tokens, or $8 for 23 tokens.
So this is actually less than half of market price, even before you factor in the higher quality art. You're saving 50%+ by buying 1200 tokens in bulk, instead of getting them in the smaller packs tokens normally come in.
At $10, you'd be asking to get twelve times as many tokens as you normally would.
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$60 for tokens is far above the market price. I would have dropped $10
It's actually not. Taking Forgotten Adventures for example, which is a fairly common place to get tokens, they average about $0.03-4 a token. They're not a brand name like Pathfinder or Dungeons and Dragons. If you take this, it's about $0.05 a token meaning that that extra $0.01-2 is made in brand recognition. So this isn't "far above market price" at all, it's actually fairly reasonable, especially since a majority of the work in creating a set like this is taking existing art work, condensing it to a resolution that will not only keep as much detail as possible and doing the custom fits to rings.
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60 USD for 1200 tokens is laughably cheap, and I'd buy it in a heartbeat even if it cost 120 bucks. At this price, this is a borderline steal. Most of "generic" token packs KyleS mentions are full of, erm, generic monsters, this one gives you all the obscure and specific stuff. Best digital product by Paizo in a long time. A sequel with non-Bestiary monsters, please.
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Oh and an NPC pack, too.
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When I make tokens for my VTT sessions, I usually have multiple colors of rings for multiples of monsters. Example, four skeletons would have a red, blue, yellow, and green ring to make designation easier. Any chance there might be some way I can do that with these? Or have some sort of coloring designation that I'm not aware of as I have barely begun to use Foundry?
Thanks!
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Hey folks! I have some question:
1. Can i use the artworks with other systems, like pf1?
2. The images are labeled consistently, something like "goblin.png"?
Sorry for my bad english and Thanks in advance for the replies! :)
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$60 for tokens is far above the market price. I would have dropped $10
At 1200+ Tokens, this comes out to less than 2.5 cents per piece of art (avatars, and tokens), or if you only care about tokens, 5 cents per token.
If someone is making their own tokens, let's assume they value their time at $15 an hour and that they can find a source image, create a token, and link it to their compendium in 3 minutes which would be $0.75 per token. At that rate, you'd break even at 80 tokens.
Of course, people value their time differently, just like other people value the style and quality differently.
If we wanted to compare this to Roll20 though, I bought each compendium for $50 ($150 total) which came with statblocks and tokens. But here's the thing-- not every monster had dedicated art (Invisible Stalker had none, and Zephyr hawk used a regular hawk art as just two glaring issues).
Compare this to Foundry where statblocks are already included in base system, and you're buying bestiary 1-3 avatar/tokens for $60. Already that is severely less than what R20 charged, AND you get art for every single creature. Including some that haven't been in any product previously (bestiary, battle cards, etc).
Anyway, as far as the price is concerned, Atropos had this to say:
We know that many of you would happily pay more for such a token pack, and we certainly considered it, but we wanted to choose a price point that would feel accessible to less diehard fans and help draw users in to the system. $60 was a number that really emphasized the "premium"-ness of the product while not being unatainable for most users. It also was consistent with the price point of our Abomination Vaults conversion which set a precedent for a "big release". Hopefully our intuition on this will be proven right and we'll sell lots of copies
Hey folks! I have some question:
1. Can i use the artworks with other systems, like pf1?
2. The images are labeled consistently, something like "goblin.png"?Sorry for my bad english and Thanks in advance for the replies! :)
1. You can! Though part of the coolness of the module is used with pf2e system. The community developers built in an image-mapping function which allows a module to map images to the compendiums so that the images are always set for every game you create, and don't reset after the game updates. That only works for pf2e.
But there's nothing stopping you from using the images for other systems, whether that is pf1, 5e, or what have you. They'll work for the actors in your world if you change the image within the world.
2. They are categorized and named by their creature type and creature name. For example Doppleganger is under pf2e-tokens-bestiaries\tokens\aberrant\humanoid\Doppleganger.webp. Or an Ember fox is under pf2e-tokens-bestiaries\tokens\elemental\fire\Ember-fox.webp.
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Does this include versions of the tokens where the art doesn't extend past the borders of the "ring"?
No, but there are avatars with the full art that could be used to create your own tokens.
Also keep in mind that pf2e in foundry you are able to cycle the token order (z-axis) by pressing Z while hovered over the token. So even if art extends past their grid, you will be able to keep tokens visible.
When I make tokens for my VTT sessions, I usually have multiple colors of rings for multiples of monsters. Example, four skeletons would have a red, blue, yellow, and green ring to make designation easier. Any chance there might be some way I can do that with these? Or have some sort of coloring designation that I'm not aware of as I have barely begun to use Foundry?
Thanks!
No. just one token frame. it would severely bloat the filesize of the module to have multiples of each monster, and then that would also take away from the usability. The magic of just one token per monster is that it can be mapped to your compendium and then it 'just works'. no Fiddling around.
And as an aside, color isnt a very good way to distinguish monsters IMO as it is not accessible to all players. It is better to use numbers, or adjectives. The xdy workbench module, or the Token Mold modules both are free and capable of adding adjectives or numbers to monsters so they can be distinguished by this way instead of color. For instance I use random adjectives in my game. The workbench can also mystify the name based on the traits which is pretty cool tool.
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Does this include versions of the tokens where the art doesn't extend past the borders of the "ring"?
The module includes the tokens and the full portrait art, plus blank rings. You can easily use that ring and the portrait to stamp out a regular pog token of any creature you want. The pop out style isn't for everyone but from my experience the majority of people enjoy it. Only a few creatures extend far beyond the frame and those are ones that maybe deserve to be a bit more imposing or visually exciting I think.
I know it's not feasible to buy this and do that, I was asking if Paizo could make a separate product that's just the token graphic files.Would it be possible to get a version of this that's just the tokens (i.e. not the integrated stat blocks)? I'd pay this much just to have the tokens usable on Roll20, don't care about using the built in stat blocks though.As the stat blocks are already a part of foundry, I don't think this has anything to do with it. However I'm not sure if you can reverse engineer this to get at the artwork.
Few notes based on my understanding of things:
1. the module is only available on foundry and requires a foundry license to download.2. The module was developed by Foundry staff via their partnership with Paizo. Paizo did not produce this (only selling it on behalf of Foundry), and Roll20 would not be able to use this in any capacity.
As fryguy said, it would be on Roll20 to create something like this. Which is pretty unlikely to happen since they already have Bestiary 1-3 for sale at $50 each for statblocks+tokens.
Initial reaction- I'm not terribly fond of the art extending outside of the token ring in regards to managing spacing and movement (like the one pic of the dragon) but I'd like to hear how it plays out in use which might turn me around on it.
I work on the AP premium modules which have similar style tokens for certain monsters. Not every monster will have the art extending out of the ring. In many cases it is still within their grid. And for the ones that do extend beyond, generally GM's seem to be enjoying it from the feedback I see on the AP premium modules. It really adds a bit of visual immersion to the scene that you lose if everything is restrained to their token.
I also said it in another comment but also keep in mind that pf2e in foundry you are able to cycle the token order (z-axis) by pressing Z while hovered over the token. So even if art extends past their grid, you will be able to keep tokens visible.
Could we have npc tokens next, please? And/or more APs
From the preview stream this past weekend, they didn't confirm something was being worked on, but did say that it would be a possibility depending on how well this sells. Stuff like NPCs/Ancestry pack, monsters from the rulebooks/lost omen books/etc were some things that were thrown out as ideas.
So hopefully we'll see something!
I can't speak on the AP piece. But I hope for that too!
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$60 for tokens is far above the market price. I would have dropped $10
$10 for 1200 tokens?! Who?? Who is selling tokens for 0.83 cents each?
When I make tokens for my VTT sessions, I usually have multiple colors of rings for multiples of monsters. Example, four skeletons would have a red, blue, yellow, and green ring to make designation easier. Any chance there might be some way I can do that with these? Or have some sort of coloring designation that I'm not aware of as I have barely begun to use Foundry?
Thanks!
Well.... considering this product is only available for Foundry might i suggest a couple modules? Specifically
Token Mold - By default adds an English language adjective from the dictionary but can be set to a random number to any token you dragon onto the board, so you'd have Skeleton Warrior 2, Skeleton Warrior 36, Skeleton Warrior 5 and Skeleton Warrior 21)
Tokenizer - Let's you easily edit a sheets Character Art / Token. Specifically for token you can add remove image, background and FRAME.
https://www.patreon.com/caeora
edit* I will likely still get the tokens as a way to support Foundry and Paizo. However, I still believe the cost is too high for art that was already previous sold in book format.
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https://www.patreon.com/caeora
edit* I will likely still get the tokens as a way to support Foundry and Paizo. However, I still believe the cost is too high for art that was already previous sold in book format.
If you think that some Patreon, which will take years to get to the same number of tokens and along the way you'll splash your subscription on Star Wars, anime slimes and cyberpunk tokens that have no use in Pathfinder, is a better value proposition, it's not.
Unbelievable product! Kudos to all involved.
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https://www.patreon.com/caeora
edit* I will likely still get the tokens as a way to support Foundry and Paizo. However, I still believe the cost is too high for art that was already previous sold in book format.
It's not just the art you're paying for here. It's the time spent compiling the art (especially for those things that didn't have art in the Bestiary, they went through every other Pathfinder product to find art for some of these). It's the time spent editing the art so that it looks good in the tokens. The frame breaks take time and effort to accomplish. It's the automatic mapping of the tokens to your compendiums, something that was a pain to do for individual monsters. What you're paying for is your time spent as a GM. The less time I spend on tokens, the more time I can spend on stuff that is more important to my game like integrating backstories and remaking maps.
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Is there something I'm missing on installing these? I'm running an old version of Abomination Vaults (via PDF to Foundry) and none of the 'blank' tokens are updating. Still just CS or whatever letters for half the tokens.
This will not update tokens already on the world. This change the compendium, and thus, the tokens created from draging from the compendium AFTER the installation.
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is ther a shortcut to open ART
the files will be in your foundry /data/modules/pf2e-tokens-bestiaries folder you can make a shortcut to that folder if that is what you want.
Within foundry you can use the compendium browser to look at the monsters, or you can use a module like Quick Insert to quickly pull the monster you need into your game.
Then there are some modules, like Filepicker Improvements, that let you create a shortcut within the foundry file browser.
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https://www.patreon.com/caeora
edit* I will likely still get the tokens as a way to support Foundry and Paizo. However, I still believe the cost is too high for art that was already previous sold in book format.
It isn't clear to me but you may be promoting what's called a "hit-and-run" and while there isn't anything strictly against this when a content creator puts their files up in this manner, it is generally frowned upon and NOT the intent of the creator for someone to pay $5, download all the patreon assets, and quit the patreon subscription.
If you look at something like 2 Minute tabletop, there is nothing stopping someone from doing that, but their website also has an "Everything" purchase that puts a price on what they value their assets at when combined all together. Spoiler-- it is many times more than their $4 monthly patreon subscription.
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https://www.patreon.com/caeora
edit* I will likely still get the tokens as a way to support Foundry and Paizo. However, I still believe the cost is too high for art that was already previous sold in book format.
... You mean the guy who makes monthly free tokens and maps as a passion project that is supported by Patreon subscribers? That definitely doesn't have any relation to "market price".
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When can we expect next token packs?
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After this team finishes Kingmaker probably.
And to add to this:
Their current timeline for Kingmaker is "Q2 of next year", so could release as late as early June ("Q2" usually ends on June 3).And then they would need to work on that other pack, so IF they do work on another token pack after that, it would be safe to guess about it releasing around Q3, or more realistically, Q4.
Reminder that the "team" working on this, excluding commissioned artists for extra arts and the remade maps, is basically, 2 or 3 people? And I don't think they work full time on these projects.
(I'm not affiliated with Foundry or the PF2 Foundry system volunteer team, just a fan following their communications closely, so the details here could be wrong.)
EDIT: There was also demand for a "Fist of the Ruby Phoenix" module in the same vein as the Abomination Vault one, and I think that's the same "team" that did them, so they might get enlisted to work on FotRP instead.
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https://www.patreon.com/caeora
edit* I will likely still get the tokens as a way to support Foundry and Paizo. However, I still believe the cost is too high for art that was already previous sold in book format.
That's not market price, lol. How many months of subscription are you assuming to support this person? Because if it's only one or two to get the packs and leave, oof, very bad form. Not only that, but it says in his bio that his patreon isn't to make money, it's to get a little extra support while he primarily makes maps and tokens for free.
How about other actual businesses, such as other VTTs?
You're also clearly ignoring the amount of art that wasn't already in the bestiaries, or the rest of the work they put into the tokens, like adding proper transparency to the ones that come out of their frames. Not only visual transparency where it makes sense, but also still being able to interact with player and other tokens underneath those overhanging images, so there's no loss of functionality.