Pathfinder Player Core 2

The Raven Black wrote:

Jürgen Hubert wrote:

Has there been any indication what sorcerer bloodlines will be included?

The Draconic is a pretty sure bet.

Draconic might change a lot, depending on how they do it... It *might* become a "tradition wildcard" bloodline, where the specific type of dragon would decide your tradition, as new "main" Dragons are not only "arcane" anymore, but split across the 4 traditions.

It might even be split into 4 bloodlines!

I could see that. Much like the Witch has different spell casting traditions like Divine Witches (apparently someone in Salem, Mass got ahold of someone in Rome...at Mass) and not just Occult. Divine Witches just seems like a Druid to me but that would really be a Primal Witch. Giving myself a headache.

I could see that. Much like the Witch has different spell casting traditions like Divine Witches (apparently someone in Salem, Mass got ahold of someone in Rome...at Mass) and not just Occult. Divine Witches just seems like a Druid to me but that would really be a Primal Witch. Giving myself a headache.

I've actually played two Divine Witches (one in PFS2, one in a home conversion of Rime of the Frostmaiden to PF2 ReMaster) and they're more like 'blasty cleric' with the ability to spur folks on to acts of great violence.

So closer to Divine Bard, almost.

The Raven Black wrote:

Jürgen Hubert wrote:

Has there been any indication what sorcerer bloodlines will be included?

The Draconic is a pretty sure bet.

Draconic might change a lot, depending on how they do it... It *might* become a "tradition wildcard" bloodline, where the specific type of dragon would decide your tradition, as new "main" Dragons are not only "arcane" anymore, but split across the 4 traditions.

It might even be split into 4 bloodlines!

I hope they find a way to merge Wyrmblessed and Draconic into a single bloodline.

So PRE-ORDER is expected in July, so we can likely expect this in our hands in... what, September?

August. It's a planned Gencon release.

Street date is August 1st. Preorders and subscriptions will start shipping late July.

Is there any chance that we will be seeing more cleric doctrines? Something beyond cloistered cleric or war priest?

Not in this product, I am afraid.

Is there any chance that we will be seeing more cleric doctrines? Something beyond cloistered cleric or war priest?

IIRC a Paizo designer explained a few months ago that they were not interested in creating new doctrines beyond the 2 we have.

Pagan priest wrote:

Is there any chance that we will be seeing more cleric doctrines? Something beyond cloistered cleric or war priest?

IIRC a Paizo designer explained a few months ago that they were not interested in creating new doctrines beyond the 2 we have.

Alas. Guess I have to get creative.

IIRC I've seen some 3rd party doctrines on Pathfinder Infinite.

IIRC I've seen some 3rd party doctrines on Pathfinder Infinite.

I'll have to go look for them. Thanks.

MMCJawa wrote:

CorvusMask wrote:

keftiu wrote:

Curious what this version of Champion looks like with Alignment gone. I do hope what we would’ve called Neutral Champions can still sneak in somehow; a very classic LN-style “Judge” is definitely missing.

I hope this isn't excuse to avoid doing LN/N/CN champions :'D I want to have "this can be adapted as LN/N/CN champions if you use alignments" champion tenets at least...

Anyway, I'm surprised that term gnoll isn't ogl huh

"Gnoll" is from public domain literature, so the name is fine. The sticky issue is that the idea of Gnoll = hyena people is definitely a WotC idea, as prior versions of the Gnoll were either only vaguely defined or more like monstrous dwarves.

The word "Gnoll" in said referenced literature has nothing to do with hyena people though. That's 100% D&D. (And in that original reference it was spelled gnole, to boot.)

When we pick up public domain stuff, we prefer to use it in the way that the original author intended, so if we were to bring gnoles into the game, they would not be hyena people. And that would confuse a lot of gamers who have spent the last several decades being used to it meaning "hyena person." So... it's not a word that does the job we need it to do.

hi, i wanted to know if the team has ever consider making champions not get their powers from gods but from their oaths. Maybe not the standard for champions but maybe a lvl 1 feat? i really wanted to play a holy warrior that is not tied to a church (tryed the war oracle and felt wierd)

James Jacobs wrote:

MMCJawa wrote:

CorvusMask wrote:

keftiu wrote:

Curious what this version of Champion looks like with Alignment gone. I do hope what we would’ve called Neutral Champions can still sneak in somehow; a very classic LN-style “Judge” is definitely missing.

I hope this isn't excuse to avoid doing LN/N/CN champions :'D I want to have "this can be adapted as LN/N/CN champions if you use alignments" champion tenets at least...

Anyway, I'm surprised that term gnoll isn't ogl huh

"Gnoll" is from public domain literature, so the name is fine. The sticky issue is that the idea of Gnoll = hyena people is definitely a WotC idea, as prior versions of the Gnoll were either only vaguely defined or more like monstrous dwarves.

The word "Gnoll" in said referenced literature has nothing to do with hyena people though. That's 100% D&D. (And in that original reference it was spelled gnole, to boot.)

When we pick up public domain stuff, we prefer to use it in the way that the original author intended, so if we were to bring gnoles into the game, they would not be hyena people. And that would confuse a lot of gamers who have spent the last several decades being used to it meaning "hyena person." So... it's not a word that does the job we need it to do.

hi, i wanted to know if the team has ever consider making champions not get their powers from gods but from their oaths. Maybe not the standard for champions but maybe a lvl 1 feat? i really wanted to play a holy warrior that is not tied to a church (tryed the war oracle and felt wierd)

I feel Exemplars are going to be the Divine martial not linked to a given deity.

I just noticed the new cover art. Was wondering why there was only two iconics, why Seoni's staff was in view but Seoni wasn't, and what sort of animal companion shenanigans might lead to that dragon's inclusion. Then I realized Seoni WAS the dragon. Nice.

I predict no more easy dipping into Champion for heavy armor and the champion's reaction.

It is almost strictly better than Sentinel, yeah. I could see them dropping it down to match Sentinel.

I'd love an Anarchist Champion now that we are fully divorcing from alignment.

As an anarchist, I approve.

Apparently the Amazon page for this book reveals the new versatile heritage to be the dragonblood heritage.

Apparently the Amazon page for this book reveals the new versatile heritage to be the dragonblood heritage.

So it does! Nice to see that finally confirmed; I hope Wyvarans get a subsection in there.

It would be a neat and efficient way to step 'away' from 'Dragon Disciple' (which is probably OGL on some level) plus hearken back to Legacy of Dragons (from PF1)

And now there's art of a Dragonsblood character on the Paizo accounts for Twitter and Instagram.

Paizo: “We’re not going to retool Drow.”

Also Paizo: “But we are going to finally add Dragonborn.”

*Said in jest*

very nice

When do you suppose Paizo will start posting blogs on the contents of this book? June?
Can’t wait to hear about the changes to the classes, new items, archetypes, spells, etc…

When do you suppose Paizo will start posting blogs on the contents of this book? June?

Can’t wait to hear about the changes to the classes, new items, archetypes, spells, etc…

They're almost certainly going to do some kind of preview at PaizoCon, so I wouldn't expect much before then. Proper blogs should start in June.

As long as things remain on schedule.

When do you suppose Paizo will start posting blogs on the contents of this book? June?

Can’t wait to hear about the changes to the classes, new items, archetypes, spells, etc…

This year is pretty packed since there's some stuff from last year. We have the Battlecry playtest, probably for about a month, followed by PaizoCon and Howl of the Wild at the end of May. Once that's out, it'll probably be time to start doing hype for PC2 stuff.

I didn’t see anything on the PaizoCon schedule to talk about Player Core 2, so I’m guessing June as well. I’m just excited for this book…

I didn’t see anything on the PaizoCon schedule to talk about Player Core 2, so I’m guessing June as well. I’m just excited for this book…

On the schedule there is a posting on Saturday for Pathfinder Project Remaster.

Iron_Matt17 wrote:

I didn’t see anything on the PaizoCon schedule to talk about Player Core 2, so I’m guessing June as well. I’m just excited for this book…

On the schedule there is a posting on Saturday for Pathfinder Project Remaster.

Right. That’d most likely be the place. I was looking for something more bold to jump out at me. My bad.

I only have 3 questions in regards to this book...

1) When they announced that they removed traps from the Ranger Class (and everywhere else, I know) in order to rework all trap related rules and stuff, they announced that Traps would be coming back in this book (Pretty sure they said the Rangers would get them again as well). However, the little blurb doesn't mention Traps or trap rules at all, much less if they will role back into class stuff or not, so I am left wondering about this entire subject.. Aka, Are traps coming back and will they be rolled back into the Ranger class (currently the new Ranger class lost traps and pretty much gained nothing to replace those choices)? I am hoping that it will be covered under then entire Alchemical and Magical Items section, but not all traps fell into either of those categories before, so who knows..

2) Why do they keep pushing the release of this book further and further? Originally they announced the book to be coming out in Either March or May (Can't remember for sure, but I believe it was March), but now we are looking at late July early Aug? Hopefully it is to add more stuff.. BUT, this leads me to the next question..

3) Why in the world are they releasing other Books (especially books with class and race related content) BEFORE this one is released? I mean, half the classes and some of the Ancestries are not even going to be available, which means that any other book released (Like the upcoming Wild Book) will either be released with content for classes we can't actually really use them in, or those same classes will just be ignored and get nothing, and so be behind the first 8 in terms of developement.

Havinf said all of that, I really am looking forward to the book (and the Wild one as well), but I am just concerned about some of these decisions and the impacts they might have. Hopefully my concerns are all for naught but still..

Thank you in advance for any possible clarifications and information to help me understand (and alleviate these worries).

I only have 3 questions in regards to this book...

1) When they announced that they removed traps from the Ranger Class (and everywhere else, I know) in order to rework all trap related rules and stuff, they announced that Traps would be coming back in this book (Pretty sure they said the Rangers would get them again as well). However, the little blurb doesn't mention Traps or trap rules at all, much less if they will role back into class stuff or not, so I am left wondering about this entire subject.. Aka, Are traps coming back and will they be rolled back into the Ranger class (currently the new Ranger class lost traps and pretty much gained nothing to replace those choices)? I am hoping that it will be covered under then entire Alchemical and Magical Items section, but not all traps fell into either of those categories before, so who knows..

2) Why do they keep pushing the release of this book further and further? Originally they announced the book to be coming out in Either March or May (Can't remember for sure, but I believe it was March), but now we are looking at late July early Aug? Hopefully it is to add more stuff.. BUT, this leads me to the next question..

3) Why in the world are they releasing other Books (especially books with class and race related content) BEFORE this one is released? I mean, half the classes and some of the Ancestries are not even going to be available, which means that any other book released (Like the upcoming Wild Book) will either be released with content for classes we can't actually really use them in, or those same classes will just be ignored and get nothing, and so be behind the first 8 in terms of developement.

Havinf said all of that, I really am looking forward to the book (and the Wild one as well), but I am just concerned about some of these decisions and the impacts they might have. Hopefully my concerns are all for naught but still..

Thank you in advance for any possible clarifications and information to help me understand (and alleviate these...

For 1: That blurb have been up since last year. They can't put every details of the books in them, so yeah. We can't take omission from the blurb as omission from the book.

For 2: Look back at the first post of this thread. From the start, it was announced for July of this year. It was never pushed back.

3: It's the other books that were pushed back for the remaster project, and they knew the remaster would take time to write, and people would complain if there was not still at least *some* books covering new stuff. And these books were started writing two years ago or more... so yeah. Not releasing them would just have them... laying around unused. While they would still need to write the remaster. So yeah. Remaster wouldn't have come out significantly faster, and there would have been a big hole in their publications, which would have hurt the cashflow.

It also must be stated again, that while there will be slight changes to some, none of the classes or ancestries in this book are "new" or "missing". All of them are playable in the current edition of the game because they all were already published. All of them are on Archives of Nethys or available in the original CRB or APG. (or Lost Omens Character Guide for ancestries).

Janos1 wrote:

I only have 3 questions in regards to this book...

1) When they announced that they removed traps from the Ranger Class (and everywhere else, I know) in order to rework all trap related rules and stuff, they announced that Traps would be coming back in this book (Pretty sure they said the Rangers would get them again as well). However, the little blurb doesn't mention Traps or trap rules at all, much less if they will role back into class stuff or not, so I am left wondering about this entire subject.. Aka, Are traps coming back and will they be rolled back into the Ranger class (currently the new Ranger class lost traps and pretty much gained nothing to replace those choices)? I am hoping that it will be covered under then entire Alchemical and Magical Items section, but not all traps fell into either of those categories before, so who knows..

2) Why do they keep pushing the release of this book further and further? Originally they announced the book to be coming out in Either March or May (Can't remember for sure, but I believe it was March), but now we are looking at late July early Aug? Hopefully it is to add more stuff.. BUT, this leads me to the next question..

3) Why in the world are they releasing other Books (especially books with class and race related content) BEFORE this one is released? I mean, half the classes and some of the Ancestries are not even going to be available, which means that any other book released (Like the upcoming Wild Book) will either be released with content for classes we can't actually really use them in, or those same classes will just be ignored and get nothing, and so be behind the first 8 in terms of developement.

Havinf said all of that, I really am looking forward to the book (and the Wild one as well), but I am just concerned about some of these decisions and the impacts they might have. Hopefully my concerns are all for naught but still..

Thank you in advance for any possible clarifications and information to help me

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In Regards to your replies;

#1 I am very aware that we can not take omissions from the blurbs to mean omissions in the book, which is I asked if they were coming back or not. If you take a moment and look back at my post, you will see that I was asking a question as to if they were or not, not making a statement that they were not. So yeah, It is also why I even stated that I was hoping it was covered under the entire Alchemical and Magical Items parts, to show that I did not say they were not at all, but rather that I was wanting to know (and hoping so as well).

#2 I would have sworn on an oath in a Courthouse that I remember it being said BEFORE this post was put up about a March Date... HOWEVER, I am a grown Adult and am not afraid to admit when I am wrong, and in this case, I was very wrong. I went back to check the Announcement that I remembered reading, and I got the release times for Core 2 and the Monster Core mixed up/backwards. To be perfectly honest though, I swore I remembered that Announcement being from early 2022...and instead it was from later in 2023.. talk about being waaayyy off base lol. In my meager defense however, I suffer Dischronometria due to Cerebellar Ataxia (brain tumor and surrounding tissue in my Cerebellum left some narly scarring) and so my ability to properly keep track of time is shall we say, very, very bad. Therefore, I have to beg forgiveness from everyone on this particular Mistake as I was wwwaaayyy off base on the time I remembered reading the article (Hell, I still catch myself thinking that the whole OGL/ORC thing became an issue in Jan 2022 and thinking we are still in 2023 lol).

#3 You are very, very correct here, and I admit.. I did not even think about the Interruption to cash flow by holding out, or that the other books had been in the writing/written stage for awhile longer. So I honestly thank you for pointing this one out as I really did not even think to look at it from a Financial Perspective.

It also must be stated again, that while there will be slight changes to some, none of the classes or ancestries in this book are "new" or "missing". All of them are playable in the current edition of the game because they all were already published. All of them are on Archives of Nethys or available in the original CRB or APG. (or Lost Omens Character Guide for ancestries).

I agree with you, and I do not believe that I stated that any were missing, and definitely none were New, but rather that they were not going to be released in their newly remastered forms by the time these other books came out (Wilds, etc). Which I meant to mean was that depending on what all is introduced in these books (as well as what all was changed/updated with those classes), not all of it might be compatible just yet.

However, I have been thinking since I posted (mainly because I got a hold of the Elements book combined with the 3rd point from Elfteiroh about books having been written so far in advance) that With the books coming out so close together, it is unreasonable of me to think that they would not have written the new books (Wilds and such) to be using the new stuff already designed for the Core 2 book, since the book is basically done anyways and is likely just going through Proofreading and such.

Anywhos, All in all, I am still wanting/hoping to find out that the New Trap Stuff will be in the Core 2 Book, as well as see it being put back into the Rangers in some fashion or another. Until then, I just have to sit here and wait patiently like every other Good Little Boy or Girl lol.

Anyone else wishing for Summoner and disappointed they aren't on the list?

Anyone else wishing for Summoner and disappointed they aren't on the list?

Player Core 1 and 2 only cover the Player's Handbook and the Advanced Player's Guide, so I don't think too many people were expecting anything from other books to make an appearance.