Pathfinder Tokens: Bestiaries (Foundry VTT)

From my vantage point at least, this product is currently marketed as "you get all the token art for pathfinder in foundry". I fully intend for my group to use only Orc-based non-OGL monsters from the new bestiaries when they come out.

I mean this has always been a misconception since it's only the Bestiary monsters, and not any AP monsters, no Book of the Dead or Dark Archive monsters, it's always been just the three Bestiaries, and it still will be.

I would assume that since this product likely contains ogl content, that Paizo will stop selling this in its current form just like the current rulebooks once the new ones come out. This is understandable.

They're not going to stop selling this, nor are they going to stop selling OGL rulebooks. The PDFs of the original CRB, Bestiary, APG and GMG will still be available, and all the OGL rulebooks that aren't those will continue to get reprinted.

For myself, and I suspect for many others, it will be a hard pill if purchasing this token pack becomes obsolete. Paizo would have another $60 dollars of my money right to help pay for development, if Paizo can state intent to honer this purchase for the updated bestiaries. $60 dollars is asking users to nearly double the total cost to add the token packs on top of their pdf collection of the same content. I do believe that is justified, but only once.

The token pack won't become obsolete.

Right now the decision is buy what may be a doomed product, or have no token art in foundry for pf2 until long after all the new bestiaries are available.

You realize you can add your own token art right? And the monsters that are still in both the Monster Core and the token pack will still have tokens.

Drew585 wrote:

From my vantage point at least, this product is currently marketed as "you get all the token art for pathfinder in foundry". I fully intend for my group to use only Orc-based non-OGL monsters from the new bestiaries when they come out.

I mean this has always been a misconception since it's only the Bestiary monsters, and not any AP monsters, no Book of the Dead or Dark Archive monsters, it's always been just the three Bestiaries, and it still will be.

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I would assume that since this product likely contains ogl content, that Paizo will stop selling this in its current form just like the current rulebooks once the new ones come out. This is understandable.

They're not going to stop selling this, nor are they going to stop selling OGL rulebooks. The PDFs of the original CRB, Bestiary, APG and GMG will still be available, and all the OGL rulebooks that aren't those will continue to get reprinted.

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For myself, and I suspect for many others, it will be a hard pill if purchasing this token pack becomes obsolete. Paizo would have another $60 dollars of my money right to help pay for development, if Paizo can state intent to honer this purchase for the updated bestiaries. $60 dollars is asking users to nearly double the total cost to add the token packs on top of their pdf collection of the same content. I do believe that is justified, but only once.

The token pack won't become obsolete.

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Right now the decision is buy what may be a doomed product, or have no token art in foundry for pf2 until long after all the new bestiaries are available.

You realize you can add your own token art right? And the monsters that are still in both the Monster Core and the token pack will still have tokens.

Yes. Thank you.

Cori Marie wrote:

Drew585 wrote:

From my vantage point at least, this product is currently marketed as "you get all the token art for pathfinder in foundry". I fully intend for my group to use only Orc-based non-OGL monsters from the new bestiaries when they come out.

I mean this has always been a misconception since it's only the Bestiary monsters, and not any AP monsters, no Book of the Dead or Dark Archive monsters, it's always been just the three Bestiaries, and it still will be.

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I would assume that since this product likely contains ogl content, that Paizo will stop selling this in its current form just like the current rulebooks once the new ones come out. This is understandable.

They're not going to stop selling this, nor are they going to stop selling OGL rulebooks. The PDFs of the original CRB, Bestiary, APG and GMG will still be available, and all the OGL rulebooks that aren't those will continue to get reprinted.

Quote:

For myself, and I suspect for many others, it will be a hard pill if purchasing this token pack becomes obsolete. Paizo would have another $60 dollars of my money right to help pay for development, if Paizo can state intent to honer this purchase for the updated bestiaries. $60 dollars is asking users to nearly double the total cost to add the token packs on top of their pdf collection of the same content. I do believe that is justified, but only once.

The token pack won't become obsolete.

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Right now the decision is buy what may be a doomed product, or have no token art in foundry for pf2 until long after all the new bestiaries are available.

You realize you can add your own token art right? And the monsters that are still in both the Monster Core and the token pack will still have tokens.

Yes. Thank you.

On my comment about the marketing, I recognize I worded it poorly and make an edit. From my vantage point, its currently marketed as giving you all the token art for all the monsters from the "main" monster books not including adventure path special monsters which would come when purchasing foundryvtt licenses for adventure paths.

I am aware that I can add tokens myself. To quote a much earlier post from you:

"$60 for all the monsters in all the Bestiaries is an absolute steal too. Just an immense time savings and great production value for that price."

I absolutely fully agree with you. The biggest value is the saved time. I can find usable pretty artwork on interwebs for every monster and make my own tokens for free. $60 dollars is a good price because of the time savings.

I also understand that for the monsters that receive only statblock, name, or formatting updates, the current tokens would still be appropriate. This begs questions however.

When monsters receive mechanical updates, will they be double listed in the foundryvtt pf2e system module? If so, would the current token pack automatically apply the relevant tokens to both entries?

When monsters receive mechanical updates, will they overwrite the existing monster entries with updated versions? If so would those inherit the tokens from bestiary 1,2,3 pack automatically?

If one way or another, the tokens in this pack that remain relevant are automatically assigned to the new stat blocks wherever possible, that would go a long way towards alleviating my concerns.

What I would find unacceptable is if after buying this token pack, I drag a statblock from new monster core compendium to my VTT with blank artwork, even tho that monster had artwork in the old bestiary 1,2,3 pack. I know I would have the files on my computer and can attach them myself, but again, the value of buying the token art is time savings.

While not ideal, I could accept if in order to access new art for genuinely new monsters in the new books, that required an additional purchase of just that new content. Maybe the "monster core 1 foundryvtt token pack" has a discounted version for ppl who own this bestiary 1,2,3 pack. Then continue that discount for monster core 2 and 3.

I understand that a lot is going on right now at Paizo and this will take some time to figure out how to proceed. I will continue waiting for more information. I would bet that many potential buyers of this are going to be sitting and waiting with me.

When monsters receive mechanical updates, will they be double listed in the foundryvtt pf2e system module? If so, would the current token pack automatically apply the relevant tokens to both entries?

When monsters receive mechanical updates, will they overwrite the existing monster entries with updated versions? If so would those inherit the tokens from bestiary 1,2,3 pack automatically?
I understand that a lot is going on right now at Paizo and this will take some time to figure out how to proceed.

If you look at the top of the page, you'll notice that this is a Foundry Virtual Tabletop product, not a Paizo product.

In the blog post it says, "Purchasing this product from the Paizo store will grant you an activation code which can be used through your Foundry VTT account page to activate the content for installation. "

All your questions about how this works on Foundry are questions for the coding team at Foundry. This is not a Paizo product, and Paizo staff aren't making those decisions. It's a 3rd-party product, created and sold by an entirely different company.

You'll need to express your concerns to the people who are making and selling this product.

And the Foundry team have said repeatedly that they don't currently know the extent of the Remaster changes and can't actively plan for that until they do. Have patience.

If we get a new "token pack" I hope that we at least get some kind of sale price or so...

If the art is reused I can see that being a case, but if it’s not I don’t see why you would, the same as if they released a Bestairy 4, 5, and 6 token pack.

That all said I don’t know if they’ve stated anywhere how the art for Monster Core is being handled.

In fact it's been explicitly stated that they don't know how it's being handled. The book is not available for partners to even glimpse at yet, so they don't know what they have to work with. Have patience.

Thanks Cori Marie.

We know players want more tokens and we will work on a way to make them available to you as soon as we can, in partnership with Foundry VTT. There will be new creatures (dragons!) in the Monster Core, which will release in March of 2024, so I don't expect any updates until then.

Thanks for playing Pathfinder!

Personally I have huge faith in the hard working and dedicated team behind the Pathfinder Foundry products. I have no doubt that they will do whatever is required once they know the extent of changes/new monsters/etc.

If you purchase this package, does it give you the pictures in image files that you can open in other applications or is this only able to be viewed in a vtt?

Yeah, well.. that covers the portrait images for the beasts, now how about you put the portrait images in the box that they belong in, and give us the top-down tokens?

If you purchase this package, does it give you the pictures in image files that you can open in other applications or is this only able to be viewed in a vtt?

I'm pretty sure you need Foundry VTT to download the package. But once you have, the images are all on your computer as .webps for use whereever. I've even done some Photoshop edits for homebrew or weird variant creatures.

I would love a Lost Omens pack for Foundry!

Hey everyone! I am new to Foundry and just bought this pack.
I wanted to use the images (tokens) for 5E but I am having issues. The only images when in the 5E game that show are the ones that are mapped to the SRD monsters, nothing else shows in the compendium page. How do I search and use the images themselves (minus the stat block and mapping) from directly in the Foundry VTT when the bestiary pack is enabled?
Thanks for any help.

Hey everyone! I am new to Foundry and just bought this pack.

I wanted to use the images (tokens) for 5E but I am having issues. The only images when in the 5E game that show are the ones that are mapped to the SRD monsters, nothing else shows in the compendium page. How do I search and use the images themselves (minus the stat block and mapping) from directly in the Foundry VTT when the bestiary pack is enabled?
Thanks for any help.

If the module is installed (doesn't even have to be enabled), the token art resides in your foundry modules folder. For example, mine is here (your location will vary based on where you installed Foundry and set your data folder): C:\foundry\FoundryData\Data\modules\pf2e-tokens-bestiaries

Inside Foundry itself, when picking the art for a token/actor, you'll browse to a path like that inside foundry, then pick the image you want. The art is all images so you pick them the way you'd pick art for any actor.

Will those be automatically updated with the Remaster?