I personally like playing stuff like 16 wisdom goblin druid though :'D
To be fair you could play a 16 wisdom druid with an ancestry, just don’t use one of your boosts on wisdom
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Can ghoran PC still be delicious? It's not a base trait. Maybe an heritage? :thinking:All ghorans are still delicious, but we ultimately decided that was less of a mechanics thing and more of a flavor thing. Heh heh heh.
Any chance the old "you taste really bad" ability made it in?
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Hoping for some juicy previews of this this month - I hope there'll be a Paizo Live this month to feature it on, though I wouldn't mind Influencer Preview-Reviews either.Oh lord, I hope we get a Paizo LIVE this month. LO:IL has gotten next-to-no previews outside of the PaizoCon coverage, and I'm desperate to know anything about what's inside.
At the very least, could we PLEASE get the ability boosts for the new ancestries? I missed getting hyped for new ancestries in the past and speculating based on knowing the ability boosts beforehand.
As the new Director of Marketing, I don’t have the capacity to host Paizo Live (again?) until I hire my Marketing and Media Manager replacement and train both that person and the new Community and Social Media Specialist, who is coming in as a internal promotion. In the interim, I am reallocating the funds to a second season of Pathfinder Heroic Endeavors live-play. I’ve asked the cast to find ways to integrate some of the books released this year, both available now and coming soon, into their play. It will kick off with a pre-recorded Kingmaker one-shot at Roll20 Con, then proceed live every Tuesday night for eight weeks. That will give us some fun in November and December. I have asked for one episode to feature the new ancestry is from Impossible Lands. I want to use episodic live-play to feature new content in 2023, but that hasn’t been budget-approved yet, so not promises. ;)
Once Pazio Live returns I think it needs to be more interactive, feature fewer products, but with more depth. My promotion and the slight expansion of the department allows for some innovation, so if you have any thoughts about what you’d like to see in the future and feel free to DM me. Posting them in this thread would be a bit off-topic.
Adventures Ahead!
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Nagaji had so little meat on their bones in 1e lore, but what's there was absolutely fascinating. Getting a better insight into their psychology and seeing what they have for Heritages is super exciting, as is understanding their place in Jalmeray. What causes a Nagaji to leave behind the bonds of family and familiarity, traveling far away from any Naga master? Keen to find out.
Vishkanya are essentially a total blank slate, and I'm curious where they land in terms of culture and history. The Conservatory or Daggermark assassin is the obvious stereotype, but what of the healer, who understands the right dose of a poison can be medicine, or all the Vishkanya who don't obsess over poisons at all?
Ghoran are an awesome, uniquely-Golarion thing, and I'm glad to have them back. Kashrishi sound completely strange in a way that I adore. Vanara aren't for me - I'm not a big primate fan - but maybe this book changes me!
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I personally like playing stuff like 16 wisdom goblin druid though :'DTo be fair you could play a 16 wisdom druid with an ancestry, just don’t use one of your boosts on wisdom
Difference is though that if I'm doing it without flaw, I get strong feeling of "But why I'm purposefully avoiding doing the optimal thing?" :'D That's why its more fun with flaws (that and three ability boosts is still fun. Alternate build idea I like is having -1 in stat until you get apex item to upgrade it directly to +4)
I think most notable Vishkanya npc in entire 1e was in war for the crown, but besides that, I'm not sure if there was ever second one in earlier aps?
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There's not really anything wrong with house ruling all ancestries to just do three free boosts and a free flaw. I do it. Works great. Got the idea from Luis Loza's site.
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I personally like playing stuff like 16 wisdom goblin druid though :'DTo be fair you could play a 16 wisdom druid with an ancestry, just don’t use one of your boosts on wisdomDifference is though that if I'm doing it without flaw, I get strong feeling of "But why I'm purposefully avoiding doing the optimal thing?" :'D That's why its more fun with flaws (that and three ability boosts is still fun. Alternate build idea I like is having -1 in stat until you get apex item to upgrade it directly to +4)
I think most notable Vishkanya npc in entire 1e was in war for the crown, but besides that, I'm not sure if there was ever second one in earlier aps?
There is a Vishkanya NPC in Hell's Rebels as well, though her ancestry doesn't play very heavily into her (limited) role in that book :)
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I think most notable Vishkanya npc in entire 1e was in war for the crown, but besides that, I'm not sure if there was ever second one in earlier aps?There is a Vishkanya NPC in Hell's Rebels as well, though her ancestry doesn't play very heavily into her (limited) role in that book :)
Looking these two up, for anyone curious!
War for the Crown has Kathann Zalar in a supporting role as a talented Lion Blade spy and an ardent supporter of Eutropia, the reformer whose success in that AP was canonized in 2e. She's a devout patriot with a hidden idealistic streak, hoping to see Taldor let go of its human-centric culture (she's the child of Vishkanyan immigrants, but can pass for a Vudran human), and a talented master of disguise. I had no idea Kathann existed - she's fascinating, and I'm excited to see the stories about passing and the immigrant experience she invokes explored in the fantasy genre.
Hell's Rebels features The Gardener, an undead bloodline Sorcerer who apparently left Vudra for the Inner Sea (first Daggermark, then Kintargo) due to her Asmodean faith. She's in the employ of Kintargo's church of Asmodeus (the text implies Gardener is a position at this particular one, but doesn't define its duties much), and sees her primarily tasked with tending to the graveyard statuary. She's got a secret stash of 'exotic hybrids of various poisonous herbs and fungi,' not much of a personality, and exists to be slain in a combat encounter. Physically, she's bright green and scaly.
Interestingly, one who breaks the Vishkanya mold a fair bit (but still leaning on thematically-linked skill with subterfuge), and one who's the poisonous stereotype played completely straight. I can't wait to meet more Vishkanya characters, both in print and from the community!
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I think Gardener from Hell's Rebels might be related to minor enemy character from Order of the Glyph and Geryon cult from Hell's Vengeance? I remember vaguely that there might be vishkanya(or other) character who is mentioned to have sister (or similar person) who betrayed the cult and run away?
Edit: Ah I remembered right, here is about The Master of Heresy who is psychic:
"An expatriate vishkanya from distant Vudra, the Master of Heresy first came to the Inner Sea region many years ago, searching for his sister after she abandoned their family for the worship of Asmodeus. While the Master of Heresy never found his sister and was thus never able to realize the vengeance he pursued, his own faith shifted to that of Geryon in the process."
(siblings are alike I suppose)
I think Gardener from Hell's Rebels might be related to minor enemy character from Order of the Glyph and Geryon cult from Hell's Vengeance? I remember vaguely that there might be vishkanya(or other) character who is mentioned to have sister (or similar person) who betrayed the cult and run away?
Edit: Ah I remembered right, here is about The Master of Heresy who is psychic:
"An expatriate vishkanya from distant Vudra, the Master of Heresy first came to the Inner Sea region many years ago, searching for his sister after she abandoned their family for the worship of Asmodeus. While the Master of Heresy never found his sister and was thus never able to realize the vengeance he pursued, his own faith shifted to that of Geryon in the process."
(siblings are alike I suppose)
Geryon is briefly noted in an old PFS scenario as having a cult in the capital of Nagajor as well. It seems like he might have some sway in the cultures of Nagaji and Vishkanya.
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Well to be exact, in this case he is noted to not having returned home due to dual shame of not finding his sister and for having converted to Geryon(superior faith in his opinion), but honestly not surprised if Geryon has some presence in vudra anyway as he was asura rana in this setting.
Sidenote, was able to find Master of Heresy's picture from google
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In the interim, I am reallocating the funds to a second season of Pathfinder Heroic Endeavors live-play. I’ve asked the cast to find ways to integrate some of the books released this year, both available now and coming soon, into their play. It will kick off with a pre-recorded Kingmaker one-shot at Roll20 Con, then proceed live every Tuesday night for eight weeks. That will give us some fun in November and December. I have asked for one episode to feature the new ancestry is from Impossible Lands.
I like this idea in theory, but it will really depend on when that episode comes out. LO:IL is slated to be available to everyone by November 16th, only a month away. And subscribers are expected to get it a good bit sooner, so it can be expected that the rules content will be exposed in full a week or 2 before then.
So while being able to see an ancestry in play beforehand is a really good strategy (I LOVED that aspect from the Secrets of Magic, Band of Bravos, and other Paizo-hosted live plays), having it come out when the book is already public to subscribers might hurt that strategy a LOT.
It is sad to hear we won't get further Paizo Live shows for now, but I am looking forward to what may come.
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Geb's easy to get excited for - undead are fun to play and fun to slay, and the nation is uniquely Golarion. Jalmeray has a rich well of untapped South Asian inspirations to draw on, plus high-flying martial arts and a famous spy school. The Mana Wastes are full of mutants, cowboys, mutant cowboys, and steampunk inventors.
It can be easy to forget Nex, as "wizards!" is a fairly familiar theme in the genre. Especially with Blood Lords in progress, Nex feels like the part of the region we know the least about, but what's there is tantalizing. What does the pursuit of knowledge and ambition look like without moral restraint? Incredible cities, beautiful plant-people, alchemically-wrought horrors, demonic cults openly holding state office, all sorts of wonders and terrors.
Part of me imagines a very noir vibe, the secret intrigues of the Arclords and their foes waged through proxy agents in alleys and arcane libraries... I have high hopes for Nex, and can't wait to see what we get.
The more info I found about the region the more excited I get about this. Nex is very cool to me and the little snippet in the World Guide def left me wishing for more. I'm also running Alkenstar soon so more info there will be very welcome!
Wizard kings in general is a trope I like a lot so getting to dive deeper into it I look forward to and perhaps could lend some inspiration towards a future kingmaker campaign.
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Can ghoran PC still be delicious? It's not a base trait. Maybe an heritage? :thinking:All ghorans are still delicious, but we ultimately decided that was less of a mechanics thing and more of a flavor thing. Heh heh heh.
Nice wordplay here! :P
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I think most notable Vishkanya npc in entire 1e was in war for the crown, but besides that, I'm not sure if there was ever second one in earlier aps?There is a Vishkanya NPC in Hell's Rebels as well, though her ancestry doesn't play very heavily into her (limited) role in that book :)Looking these two up, for anyone curious!
War for the Crown has Kathann Zalar in a supporting role as a talented Lion Blade spy and an ardent supporter of Eutropia, the reformer whose success in that AP was canonized in 2e. She's a devout patriot with a hidden idealistic streak, hoping to see Taldor let go of its human-centric culture (she's the child of Vishkanyan immigrants, but can pass for a Vudran human), and a talented master of disguise. I had no idea Kathann existed - she's fascinating, and I'm excited to see the stories about passing and the immigrant experience she invokes explored in the fantasy genre.
Hell's Rebels features The Gardener, an undead bloodline Sorcerer who apparently left Vudra for the Inner Sea (first Daggermark, then Kintargo) due to her Asmodean faith. She's in the employ of Kintargo's church of Asmodeus (the text implies Gardener is a position at this particular one, but doesn't define its duties much), and sees her primarily tasked with tending to the graveyard statuary. She's got a secret stash of 'exotic hybrids of various poisonous herbs and fungi,' not much of a personality, and exists to be slain in a combat encounter. Physically, she's bright green and scaly.
Interestingly, one who breaks the Vishkanya mold a fair bit (but still leaning on thematically-linked skill with subterfuge), and one who's the poisonous stereotype played completely straight. I can't wait to meet more Vishkanya characters, both in print and from the community!
Kathaan Zalar is a wonderful character. I've tried run War for the Crown twice but had to stop running before I could really explore her character with the party. If I ever try and run it again, I want to expand on her more than I did previously. But I also think at this point in my life/dming career I would rather play in a political game than run one again.
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2e, unless you want to start crying around level 12 as one of PCs gets their Shikigami Style build with 48d6 damage online while the other PC swings their 1d8+7 longsword.
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Surely talk of an AP within a different edition that isn’t set in this region can go somewhere else :p
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Yeah but does 2e have as many fun stealth and skill options to do non combatless runs in every other book? But would it be too easy in 1e... Aaaaah
It would not be too easy in PF1. Somebody would optimise for Diplomacy and have a +35 skill bonus at level 10, everyonbe else who plays casually would be at +12, good luck challenging the former without making things impossible for the latter or challenging the latter without making things trivial for the former. PF1 skill system falls apart even faster than its combat does.
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It can be easy to forget Nex, as "wizards!" is a fairly familiar theme in the genre. Especially with Blood Lords in progress, Nex feels like the part of the region we know the least about, but what's there is tantalizing. What does the pursuit of knowledge and ambition look like without moral restraint? Incredible cities, beautiful plant-people, alchemically-wrought horrors, demonic cults openly holding state office, all sorts of wonders and terrors.
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Nex is the area I'm most interested in from this book. Ever since the Character Guide introduced keenspark gnomes and mentioned that they have a large population in Nex I've wanted to build a keenspark character from there.
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I still wonder whether I should run War for the Crown in 2e or in 1e...
We'll get back on topic after this, but I just want to say I'm running War for the Crown in 2e right now and it's shaping up to maybe be my favorite adventure path ever.
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I still wonder whether I should run War for the Crown in 2e or in 1e...We'll get back on topic after this, but I just want to say I'm running War for the Crown in 2e right now and it's shaping up to maybe be my favorite adventure path ever.
WftC is an absolute triumph. One of the best APs they've ever done. And to get things back on topic: I can very easily see a 1-10 AP set in Nex where the party works for an Arclord against their biggest rival/s. They would never confront the opposing Arclord directly, but their agents are another story. A shades of grey story with a rival party could be tons of fun, especially if they interacted socially when not actively fighting.
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Having had Outlaws of Alkenstar and Blood Lords, Nex is definitely crying out for some urbane arcane mystery - and it's also where we'll get to see the strife between a returned Nex (the man) and Geb (the ghost), barring any truly wild developments in this book.
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I really hope we get a Nex vs. Geb AP at some point, eventually.
Hoping to start a LO sub with this book. Hopefully they get it added as a starting option soon!
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I'm looking forward to maybe using the Vanara to bring back a 4e Monk character of mine who was monkey hengyokai-- all of the other components i need are already present, especially ki blast and eventually ki form because he's very much an expy of kid goku from Dragonball. Maybe widen the reference a bit and go for wolf stance, so he can 'Wolf Fang Fist!'
I feel like I remembering reading we'd get a reprint of the Jalmeri Heavenseeker archetype. Can that be confirmed or denied and is there any info on what changes might come about (e.g., L2 dedication, no need for expert in unarmed strikes, reduced heaven's thunder damage)?
The only confirmed changes are:
Reduced Heaven's Thunder effectiveness.Mesh better with Student of Perfection.
Here, and reiterated elsewhere.
We'll have to wait a few weeks for the release to know more.
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No archetypes was one of the rare few complaints I had with the Mwangi book, so I'm hoping to see a few here! Getting a 2e take on Nexian Channelers would be an awful lot of fun.
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I can't wait.For this. I can't wait to read the lore, and feel inspired.
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Obviously the titular region takes priority, but I'd love some hints of what's just over the border in here.
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First preview blog posts tomorrow.
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First preview blog posts tomorrow.
Embrace the Unnatural: Pathfinder Lost Omens Impossible Lands
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A question for the future: can someone do a Ctrl-F for “wyvaran” in the book?
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Aaron tweeted that the book "has a surprise land," which I find incredibly exciting. This could mean that Bhopan is promoted out of being part of Jalmeray... or it could be that those angels on the cover mean we're in Holomog, but that feels unlikely.
Any other options I'm missing? I'm struggling to imagine what this could apply to.
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Aaron tweeted that the book "has a surprise land," which I find incredibly exciting. This could mean that Bhopan is promoted out of being part of Jalmeray... or it could be that those angels on the cover mean we're in Holomog, but that feels unlikely.
Any other options I'm missing? I'm struggling to imagine what this could apply to.
I think that IS the name of the land - "Surpriseland" - kind of like "Newfoundland" or "Switzerland".
The real question is, of course, what is there and who lives there? Does have an overabundance of ambush predators? Is this the land of the infamously eternal versatile heritage known as the "Gotchas"? Is there really something new and unusual around every corner? Are the people living here really, really over-stimulated or are they just really tired of everything and just always have the attitude of "Yeah, been there, done that."?
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I think Bhopan has already been mentioned (at either PaizoCon or Gen Con, can’t remember which) as having a section in this book.
It would be interesting if the surprise land turned out to be Holomog. I doubt it... probably Bhopan. But as that was announced, it makes it less of a surprise.
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Aaron tweeted that the book "has a surprise land," which I find incredibly exciting. This could mean that Bhopan is promoted out of being part of Jalmeray... or it could be that those angels on the cover mean we're in Holomog, but that feels unlikely.
Any other options I'm missing? I'm struggling to imagine what this could apply to.
I think that IS the name of the land - "Surpriseland" - kind of like "Newfoundland" or "Switzerland".
The real question is, of course, what is there and who lives there? Does have an overabundance of ambush predators? Is this the land of the infamously eternal versatile heritage known as the "Gotchas"? Is there really something new and unusual around every corner? Are the people living here really, really over-stimulated or are they just really tired of everything and just always have the attitude of "Yeah, been there, done that."?
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Jalmeray is known for the Students of Perfection, who practise mastery over the four elements. But there is one element they have overlooked.. the element of surprise! And that's where Surpriseland comes in with the new College of Confounding Revelation, where masters of surprise practise their arts.
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It would be interesting if the surprise land turned out to be Holomog. I doubt it... probably Bhopan. But as that was announced, it makes it less of a surprise.
It can't be Holomog -- the Impossible Lands are a known specified region of a few specific nations, and Holomog is off the Inner Sea map on the other side of the Mwangi Expanse from the Impossible Lands.
Maybe they are subdividing one of those known nations in the region, or focusing on an island or enclave that just didn't show up on previous maps?