Pathfinder Lost Omens: Gods & Magic

This book sounds really fun, and it's always nice to read about RPG pantheons, but how much is in here that would be useful for somebody running their own setting?

I've been waiting for this to come out so I can cannibalise a bunch of stuff for my own gods, but I'm just wondering if it's worth getting for all the example weapons, avatar forms, items, etc. and well as new domains and spells, or if I'm better off waiting a few weeks or whatever for it to pop up on archives.

It's a great book.

However, I must admit my quibbles with some of the choices with the deities.

Apsu only allows Lawful Good despite the fact he's the deity of all good-aligned dragons. It feels strange that even CG and NG dragons can't have him as a patron deity.

There are no deities with bo staff as a favored weapon, not even Tien deities like Sun Wukong.

Adam Daigle wrote:

Brilde Phelon wrote:

I may have missed this in the many posts: What is the deal with the low-res art for Ghlaunder on page 59? That looks ridiculously low res compared to all the other art. This is in my pdf. Will this be in the printed book as well?

Any thoughts?

We had some weirdness with the PDF and thought we had it all fixed, but mosquitos get into everything! We're looking into this and will get it updated.

And no worries with the printed book. It's all fine. :)

I'm just waiting on one lil' component before I can get the fixed version uploaded. It should be fixed tomorrow, and I'll send out an email to all the folks who have the PDF to let them know when the update is complete. Thanks for pointing this out!

Update: The file has been updated and notification emails are going out as we speak. Just let me know if you spot any other weirdness!

Update: The file has been updated and notification emails are going out as we speak. Just let me know if you spot any other weirdness!

Interesting. The File per chapter one looks fine, but I can't use the bookmarks to get to Ghlaunder. The one I downloaded as a single file still has the low res image.

No idea what's going on. It's almost as if something is trying to keep this from being fixed...

Katina Davis wrote:

Update: The file has been updated and notification emails are going out as we speak. Just let me know if you spot any other weirdness!

Interesting. The File per chapter one looks fine, but I can't use the bookmarks to get to Ghlaunder. The one I downloaded as a dingle file still has the low res feed.

No idea what's going on. It's almost as if something is trying to keep this from being fixed...

*sniggering in the background*

Tee-hee-hee!

missing feat.

there needs to be non lethal metamagic feat. there were at least 2 types of clerics that would find it very difficult to function without the ability to use their magic non lethally.

Or they pick other options, like healing and buffing. Or don't pick a god of healing that frown on hurting things.

(A Non-lethal Metamagic isn't a bad idea itself, just that it's "missing")

Guess I rolled a natural one on my initiative for this month’s shipping queu. XD Any nice fellows with the pdf mind spilling which non-deific faiths are included in this one (laws of mortality, green faith, etc)? Thanks!

Forgive me, but this thread is too long to review in its entirety. I am wondering what the reasoning was to include all the stat-block info for each of the primary deities except their preferred weapon? Seems like an obvious omission. I know I can look in the CRB for that info, but the same could be said of their domains, etc. Just seems odd to leave that one item out

Forgive me, but this thread is too long to review in its entirety. I am wondering what the reasoning was to include all the stat-block info for each of the primary deities except their preferred weapon? Seems like an obvious omission. I know I can look in the CRB for that info, but the same could be said of their domains, etc. Just seems odd to leave that one item out

Um, they left out everything that's in the core book for the 20 core deities? Not just weapons. They just added new "stats/info" to be used with new rules from this book.

Forgive me, but this thread is too long to review in its entirety. I am wondering what the reasoning was to include all the stat-block info for each of the primary deities except their preferred weapon? Seems like an obvious omission. I know I can look in the CRB for that info, but the same could be said of their domains, etc. Just seems odd to leave that one item out

Actually, other than name, alignment, and areas of concern, none of the information blocks for the core 20 duplicates anything from the CRB. The domains given are alternate domains, not the prime four. It's all new info.

EDIT: Ninja'd! :)

Guess I rolled a natural one on my initiative for this month’s shipping queu. XD Any nice fellows with the pdf mind spilling which non-deific faiths are included in this one (laws of mortality, green faith, etc)? Thanks!

Here you go:

Esoteric Order of the Palatine Eye
God Calling
Green Faith
Laws of Mortality
Prophecies of Kalistrade
Sangpotshi
Shoanti Animism
Atheists and Free Agents

In Pathfinder Friday "Demigods of Golarion" there is a landscape view of the Diety chart at 33:16. Can we PLEASE get this released as a PDF supplement in "My Downloads"??

Love the book, but the current PDF version of that chart was not thought out for the PDF medium. I realize if I'm at my PC I can set up to view it as an actual spread, but that won't work if I need to reference the chart on my tablet or phone. Additionally I can't print it as a PDF in a 2x1 spread format myself due to file encryption so this is something I believe Paizo should do to make it more accessible.

Thanks kindly!

Yay, bladed scarf is a reach weapon now!

Wait, bladed scarf is no longer a finesse weapon? Nooo!

In Pathfinder Friday "Demigods of Golarion" there is a landscape view of the Diety chart at 33:16. Can we PLEASE get this released as a PDF supplement in "My Downloads"??

Love the book, but the current PDF version of that chart was not thought out for the PDF medium. I realize if I'm at my PC I can set up to view it as an actual spread, but that won't work if I need to reference the chart on my tablet or phone. Additionally I can't print it as a PDF in a 2x1 spread format myself due to file encryption so this is something I believe Paizo should do to make it more accessible.

Thanks kindly!

Why not grab a screenshot of it on your PC and save it as an image? I just did it and it works fine, and my monitor is only 1920x1200.

redeux wrote:

In Pathfinder Friday "Demigods of Golarion" there is a landscape view of the Diety chart at 33:16. Can we PLEASE get this released as a PDF supplement in "My Downloads"??

Love the book, but the current PDF version of that chart was not thought out for the PDF medium. I realize if I'm at my PC I can set up to view it as an actual spread, but that won't work if I need to reference the chart on my tablet or phone. Additionally I can't print it as a PDF in a 2x1 spread format myself due to file encryption so this is something I believe Paizo should do to make it more accessible.

Thanks kindly!

Why not grab a screenshot of it on your PC and save it as an image? I just did it and it works fine, and my monitor is only 1920x1200.

Good idea, thanks! Gave me a thought to try a different route: Downloaded single file package, opened appendix file in Chrome (rather than Adobe), then print to pdf with 2pages per sheet. Apparently Chrome is OK with me printing to PDF when the file is encrypted but Adobe isn't. So I got what I needed

Really like the reveal on Erastil having a family and who that family actually is!

Really like the reveal on Erastil having a family and who that family actually is!

I was wondering when that little tidbit would come up here. It's something I had been curious about since soon after I started playing in Golarion as a fan. Glad other people were curious too!

Really like the reveal on Erastil having a family and who that family actually is!

Oh hey, Halcomora is his daughter! She was the parent of one of my players in Wrath of the Righteous! That’s cool, I’ve always liked her! And Jaidi & Cerunnos being apart of the same family unit is verrrryyyyy interesting! I’m gonna have to blog something about that eventually!

Vorsk, Follower or Erastil wrote:

Really like the reveal on Erastil having a family and who that family actually is!

I was wondering when that little tidbit would come up here. It's something I had been curious about since soon after I started playing in Golarion as a fan. Glad other people were curious too!

I noticed it fast and was appreciative of it, but kinda forgot to comment about it since its been kinda busy week :'D

But yeah, I find amusing his family are two empyreal lords and an Azlanti deity who is otherwise not worshipped on Golarion anymore. Mostly because yay, azlanti deities are still little bit relevant!

Mark Seifter wrote:

Vorsk, Follower or Erastil wrote:

Really like the reveal on Erastil having a family and who that family actually is!

I was wondering when that little tidbit would come up here. It's something I had been curious about since soon after I started playing in Golarion as a fan. Glad other people were curious too!

I noticed it fast and was appreciative of it, but kinda forgot to comment about it since its been kinda busy week :'D

But yeah, I find amusing his family are two empyreal lords and an Azlanti deity who is otherwise not worshipped on Golarion anymore. Mostly because yay, azlanti deities are still little bit relevant!

I wonder if they met right after Earthfall.

CorvusMask wrote:

Mark Seifter wrote:

Vorsk, Follower or Erastil wrote:

Really like the reveal on Erastil having a family and who that family actually is!

I was wondering when that little tidbit would come up here. It's something I had been curious about since soon after I started playing in Golarion as a fan. Glad other people were curious too!

I noticed it fast and was appreciative of it, but kinda forgot to comment about it since its been kinda busy week :'D

But yeah, I find amusing his family are two empyreal lords and an Azlanti deity who is otherwise not worshipped on Golarion anymore. Mostly because yay, azlanti deities are still little bit relevant!

I wonder if they met right after Earthfall.

Erastil is an ancient deity, even before the first civilizations he may have created the first bow for hunter-gatherers. He predates Azlant, so there's a lot of possibilities for their timeline.

Overall I like the book. Good crunch, spectacular art. However...

David knott 242 wrote:

Is this book still supposed to have a table giving basic info for nearly all of the known deities?

Not nearly all, but there's a bunch of them. Somewhere around 150.

and

Forgive me, but this thread is too long to review in its entirety. I am wondering what the reasoning was to include all the stat-block info for each of the primary deities except their preferred weapon? Seems like an obvious omission. I know I can look in the CRB for that info, but the same could be said of their domains, etc. Just seems odd to leave that one item out

I have to say that I'm rather disappointed at the "economies" with the table info in this book.

- All the deities that are given one or two page spreads are not featured in the tables in the back. Which makes for rather poor "here's a pantheon at a glance" tables.
- All the info that's in the CRB is not replicated here. Again, makes stuff harder to review.

It just feels a bit cheap and negligent, rather a stain on an otherwise great book.

Conversely, I liked that they’re not constantly repeating info like that.

That may just be an odd me thing though.

Are shamanism and the juju pantheon still a thing? I’ve had a fascination with African mythology ever since exploring through Eiji Aonuma’s world of Majora’s Mask as a kid, and have been interested in learning more about how Pathfinder has been inspired by similar myths. I was pleased to notice the references to shamanism in the World Guide and loved the character options presented in the Character Guide (the mask familiar is simply inspired), and had been expecting to see a little bit about this in Gods & Magic.

So will we see more of shamanism and juju and wendo spirits in the future? Maybe in The Slithering, or even a new Garund hardback? Would insta-buy that in a heartbeat.

Also, loving this book so far. Seeing more of the relationships between the gods and the new systems of divine intervention has been awesome. Was especially fun reading about the new gods Arazni, Casandalee and Nocticula.

Conversely, I liked that they’re not constantly repeating info like that.

That may just be an odd me thing though.

I would tend to agree.

A full list web add-on PDF would be cool tho, don;t take up any pages, but have a full list for easy reference. I guess that is something that would be OK for a fan PDF?

A 1-star review because the reviewer ... heard that there's sexualized art? That's new in the "didn't read, 0/5" department.

A 1-star review because the reviewer ... heard that there's sexualized art? That's new in the "didn't read, 0/5" department.

Have you SEEN Asmodeus’ new art?!?! He’s hot as hell.

No, but somebody told me he isn't, and people telling things on the Internet > actual empirical experience. Because people, I can trust, reality? Not so much with all those space lasers in the atmosphere.

Umm, is it even allowed by rules to post review based on "I haven't bought or read the book, but I heard x"?

Umm, is it even allowed by rules to post review based on "I haven't bought or read the book, but I heard x"?

They’ve removed reviews that were for products that weren’t even close to being out yet but this is because “I’m not buying this because of the subject matter.”

But as you point out the reviewer admits they don’t actually have knowledge of said subject matter. That doesn’t actually exist in said book.

So this falls more to libel I guess?

I dunno, but perhaps all of you who have actually read the book could be arsed to review it, then reviews like this one wouldn't stick out so much.

Alas, being negative comes quickly and easily, being remotely positive is hard and nuuuuuuu you'd all rather snuggle your emotional support ostrich and sleep this one out, weaklings.

I dunno, but perhaps all of you who have actually read the book could be arsed to review it, then reviews like this one wouldn't stick out so much.

Alas, being negative comes quickly and easily, being remotely positive is hard and nuuuuuuu you'd all rather snuggle your emotional support ostrich and sleep this one out, weaklings.

You leave Mieczysław out of this!

But yeah I do need to get better at setting aside time to write reviews.

For the record, I'm still waiting for Jeff Bezos to fly his drone with my book through my window.

Well I did rush out my review because I was like "Well crap I guess I need to review it since I would have given 5 stars anyway just because of edicts and anathema and Erastil's family reveal alone" but I don't feel fully satisfied about the review's length xP

A 1-star review because the reviewer ... heard that there's sexualized art? That's new in the "didn't read, 0/5" department.

Did they dare to show an ankle again^^?

For the record, I'm still waiting for Jeff Bezos to fly his drone with my book through my window.

Keeping the window open during winter is so worth this book^^

Oh wait a sec... Now I know what this is about

Clearly they were talking about Kurgess and his perfect chiseled body :O

I've heard Urgathoa might or might not have flashed a knee in this book, can anybody confirm?

I've heard Urgathoa might or might not have flashed a knee in this book, can anybody confirm?

Lamashtu's sporting a skull-bikini.

Urgathoa's look is more... 'down to the bones'.

I've heard Urgathoa might or might not have flashed a knee in this book, can anybody confirm?

Yes, also I see Calistria has been enhancing parts of her portfolio.

I will say this book contains less sexualized art of any deity book ever.

I'm pretty sure even the bible has more sexualized art then Gods and Magic.

Gorbacz wrote:

I've heard Urgathoa might or might not have flashed a knee in this book, can anybody confirm?

Lamashtu's sporting a skull-bikini.

Urgathoa's look is more... 'down to the bones'.

Bikini? Sounds like something out of those Yurpeen erotic movies.

A 1-star review because the reviewer ... heard that there's sexualized art? That's new in the "didn't read, 0/5" department.

OK, that's just nuts. I went through the book after this and found nine pieces that—based on clothes and/or posing—might be construed as sexualized art. Of those, I would discount all but one: Calistria, the goddess of lust, the only one flashing cleavage and posing in a sexy manner. The rest would have to be interpretation because I had to stretch my imagination to see it.

I will write up a review and post it later today. Gahhh!

Gorbacz wrote:

A 1-star review because the reviewer ... heard that there's sexualized art? That's new in the "didn't read, 0/5" department.

OK, that's just nuts. I went through the book after this and found nine pieces that could—based on clothes and/or posing—might be construed as sexualized art. Of those, I would discount all but one: Calistria, the goddess of lust, the only one flashing cleavage and posing in a sexy manner. The rest would have to be interpretation because I had to stretch my imagination to see it.

I will write up a review and post it later today. Gahhh!

Canadians, people of moose morals and lack of modelksty!

*exits stage left, munching Putine*

I mean... Milani has boob-window and high-heels armor. That could be offending to some.

I will say this book contains less sexualized art of any deity book ever.

I'm pretty sure even the bible has more sexualized art then Gods and Magic.

Remembering some stuff in the bible it should have been given an Adults only stamp.

Gorbacz wrote:

A 1-star review because the reviewer ... heard that there's sexualized art? That's new in the "didn't read, 0/5" department.

OK, that's just nuts. I went through the book after this and found nine pieces that—based on clothes and/or posing—might be construed as sexualized art. Of those, I would discount all but one: Calistria, the goddess of lust, the only one flashing cleavage and posing in a sexy manner. The rest would have to be interpretation because I had to stretch my imagination to see it.

I thought Besmara edged ahead of Calistria.

I mean... Milani has boob-window and high-heels armor. That could be offending to some.

There are some people perfectly capable of being offended by just about anything.