Pathfinder Lost Omens: Gods & Magic

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No fantasy setting is complete without a pantheon of powerful deities for its characters to worship or fear. Whether you're a sneaky rogue asking the god of thievery for a blessing on your next heist or a valorous crusader calling the might of your patron down upon the forces of evil, faith and the forces behind it are key to every character's identity. Within this volume you'll find details on the gods and non-deific faiths of the Age of Lost Omens from the perspective of their clergy and lay worshipers. You'll also discover new domains, feats, and spells to customize your character, and an exhaustive index of hundreds of deities from the Pathfinder setting you can worship (and the mechanical benefits of doing so).

An indispensable 128-page resource for both players looking to flesh out their characters' motivations and Game Masters aiming to bring the evil cults, zealous evangelists, and holy warriors of their campaigns to life, Pathfinder Lost Omens Gods & Magic is an essential addition to any Pathfinder Second Edition campaign!

Written by: Robert Adducci, Amirali Attar Olyaee, Calder CaDavid, James Case, Adam Daigle, Katina Davis, Leo Glass, Joshua Grinlinton, James Jacobs, Virginia Jordan, Jason Keeley, Jacky Leung, Lyz Liddell, Ron Lundeen, Stephanie Lundeen, Jacob W. Michaels, Matt Morris, Dave Nelson, Samantha Phelan, Jennifer Povey, Jessica Redekop, Nathan Reinecke, Patrick Renie, David N. Ross, Simone D. Sallé, Michael Sayre, David Schwartz, Shahreena Shahrani, Isabelle Thorne, Marc Thuot, Jason Tondro, and Diego Valdez

ISBN: 978-1-64078-202-0

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Best lost omens setting book to date

5/5

This is, by a fair margin, the best book in the Lost Omens setting line to have been released so far.

First, on the whole, the artwork is great. There are a couple exceptions (Besmara's and Milani's art looks a little funny), but on the whole the artwork is amazing (Urgathoa's is probably my favorite, but they're pretty much all fantastic).

Second, the flavor is amazing, especially for the "big 20". I wouldn't have thought it, but adding details like a list of common Worshippers goes a long way to helping give a feel for what the God is like (I wish they'd done this for all of the deities in the book). And the Aphorisms, and explanations of each, for each of the "big 20" is awesome -- perfect for giving devout worshippers of those gods a role-playing "hook" to help flesh out their character.

Third, and most importantly (from my perspective), there's a fair amount of crunch in this book, and pretty much all of it is great. The divine boons and curses for each God rain plot hooks like mana from heaven, the extra skill feats are intriguing and well-balanced with the skill feats in the CRB, there's a batch of flavorful and interesting deity-specific magical items, and best of all, the new spells (spell slot and focus) are really interesting and well-balanced -- almost all of the spells are one's I'd consider taking, at least for some builds, but none of them were "must haves" that clearly stood out as more powerful than the ones in the CRB.

All-in-all, a really great book.


Flashing Less Skin Then Jesus.

5/5

It's a great, well written and beautifully illustrated book with impeccable editing, though I am disappointed that there isn't as much skin as previous reviews led me to believe. Still, despite being less sexualized than certain other publications I'm incredibly impressed with all the hard work and love that everyone put into this book.

And at least there's an equal amount of beefcake (Kurgess and Grusathatha (sp?) I'm looking at you!) to balance the deities out.

I'm very impressed with the player options, especially more spells and all the deities included in the table at the back of the book.

I'd give it ten stars if they'd let me.


overall I recommend this book

5/5

Overall I recommend this book. I want to be clear, because I have seen it asked in various discussions/forums, that the "And Magic" part of this book does include spells and magical items; however, there should not be the expectation that those spells and magical items take up half the book. Those options are there, and they are good, but this book is largely a lore book on the various deities and then includes a chapter on the spells/items/feats/new domains (~22 pages).

Getting that out of the way, the lore itself is well written and I have enjoyed reading the aphorisms for the deities. I really like that this book provides more options for deities for characters to worship, or for world/campaign building.

As far as character options go, there are tons of new deities that can now be worshiped and 18 new domains which opens up a lot of customization that I look forward to utilizing in the future when building PCs (I'm largely a player since I'm still fairly new to TTRPG but look forward to GM'ing someday). One focus spell i really enjoyed was one that lets you summon a bunch of tiny, incorporeal dragons. Fun!

Overall I recommend this book, especially if you're looking to incorporate Golorian deities into a campaign or build a PC that worships a deity and want more options than what is found in the CRB.


An Essential book for Integrating Divine Power into a PF2 Campaign

5/5

For an explanation of how I use the five star review method, see my entry on So What's the Riddle Like Anyway? HERE.

Lost Omens: Gods & Magic is a Pathfinder 2nd Edition Campaign supplement covering religion on Golarion. It doesn’t cover all the gods that have been revealed in the setting so far: that would require a book much larger than this. It is designed to bring some of the concepts from the old Pathfinder 1st Edition Inner Sea Gods into PF2 as well as introducing new concepts that the new game system can handle better than the old one could.

The first chapter is the overview, covering the place gods and religion have in Golarion. This is a very concise and uncomplicated description, condensing the basics of religious life in the Lost Omens setting into two pages. Great for those just getting into it or those who have read articles spread out over the entire print run of first edition and would prefer a one stop reference.

Rules elements are included here for using alternate domains for the core 20 gods found in the Core Rule Book, incorporating the subdomain concept (after a fashion) and the separatist cleric archetype with a couple of feats. This shows the strength of the new system: if an old PF1 archetype only swapped out one thing, it could be represented by a class feat in PF2.

The overview covers rules for changing faiths, favored weapons for non-clergy and champions, a new background (Raised By Belief) available to a devout character of any class that is easily customized to each deity or philosophy, and a template structure for building opponents that thematically fit with a deity. All great stuff and very easy to implement.

The best part of the section are the rules for divine intercessions. Though the gods rarely interfere directly with the world, rules are given for the rare gift or curse from a pleased or displeased deity. The GM is advised to use them sparingly and only when role-play makes them appropriate, but this sort of story point is a great gift for story-oriented GMs everywhere. Having a god give a small temporary blessing for service rendered or a little zap for an insult adds flavor and consequence to the player’s choices. This is wonderful flavor and an excellent easy-to-implement tool.

The second chapter covers the basic information and description of the twenty core deities of the Lost Omens setting, adding to the brief overview given in the CRB, as well as brief descriptions of twenty other gods somewhat worshiped in and around the Inner Sea region. Not only do we get great new art for all forty deities, but we get information for use with the new Background, alternate domains for the core 20, the divine intercessions each of the core twenty usually use, their relationships with other gods, all amazing material. We also get a piece of art showing how one culture or another has depicted each of the twenty core deities in the setting itself. This conveys cultural values and aesthetics as well as the nature of veneration for each religion with a simple picture. I absolutely loved this!

Speaking about the art in the book, it is solid and all high quality. Though there is some sexy imagery of a few female gods, except for Calistria it is all less revealing than previous images of the deities. Calistria, as the goddess of lust, looks pretty much exactly like she should. The picture of Shyka the Many starting the third chapter is wonderfully representative: beautiful and eerie at the same time. So overall the art exceeds my expectations both regarding modern standards and wow factor.

The writers did work up the divine intercessions for the secondary twenty deities, but these were sadly unable to be included due to space constraints. So Paizo did a wonderful thing: they included the divine intercessions and more detail on their workings in a free web supplement! Be sure to download it, as it essentially gives you forty gods fully realized and ready to go with all the new rules.

The third chapter covers a brief and incomplete overview of the demigods and other deities of the setting. The chapter covers the highlights and explains the various groups and pantheons, but if you want all the deities written up so-far, you’ll have to look to the old Pathfinder Campaign Setting books. With so many deities, there is no way they could cover them all, but they do give you an idea of what is out there and how they relate to each other and the setting.

Chapter four is one of the more exciting ones for me as it covers pantheons and philosophies and rules on how to use them in game. They give three sample pantheons (Dwarves, Elves, and the Godclaw) and explain that you still have a patron deity within the pantheon whose edicts and anathema you must follow. But you also follow the edicts and anathema of the pantheon. Doing this allows you to select the pantheon’s domains, favored weapon, etc. More versatility and a way to expand on cleric and champion options.

I used the sample pantheons and rules to create two pantheons for the Extinction Curse Adventure Path in this thread. It was very easy to do. You just take a group of deities that would be invoked in the practice of an occupation (like farming, for example) or culture (like forest goblins) and build edicts and anathemas that wouldn’t violate the various gods’ edicts and anathemas. Select appropriate domains and a favored weapon, skill, abilities, alignments, and cleric bonus spells. It took me very little time to complete.

The rest of the chapter details eight philosophies on Golarion, from the Esoteric Order of the Palatine Eye to the Laws of Mortality to Atheism. All but atheism and free agency have rules that work with the Raised by Belief background, as well as acceptable alignments, edicts, and anathemas. This means that someone raised with the Laws of Mortality can used the Raised by Belief background without worshiping a deity. Very cool!

The final chapter is about character options: feats, spells, new domains (with focus spells!), new weapons, and magic items tied to the deities and philosophies. The feats are quite varied, from the obvious—like being able to bless water—to faith and philosophy specific. As an example, Mortal Healing works with Godless Healing (from the Lost Omens: World Guide) and the Laws of Mortality to augment non-divine healing. There is even a feat—Charlatan—that allows someone to fake divine power through manipulation of magical items. This alludes to a faith that is not actually detailed in the book, and a wonderful addition to material ported over from PF1.

The spells are cool (I particularly like brand the impenitent, a curse that marks someone with an ethereal holy symbol of your deity and that only other followers of your faith can see, but they can see it even when the subject is concealed). The new domains and focus spells match up with the new gods presented in the book, giving a lot more faith-based options for clerics and champions as expected from a book called Lost Omens: Gods & Magic.

The items and weapons present cool new weaponry like a polytool (yes, the Swiss army knife now exists in Golarion), the bladed scarf, and the fighting fan. The magic items are all tied to the various faiths (yes, there is a bottomless stein from Cayden Cailean. Like you expected anything else).

The rest of the book is a list of the gods briefly described in chapter three so they can be used with the rules in the CRB and this volume. There are A LOT of gods listed here, covering everything from Empyreal Lords to the Outer Gods to Ancient Osirion Gods. In my opinion, 150 gods are enough to cover most campaign needs.

Final Thoughts: I love this book. It really covers everything you need to integrate the religious systems of Golarion into your campaign. If you want more information, you can find detail on all the gods on the Archives of Nethys, so this primer is really a great intro for new gamers and an aid for GMs learning to work religion rules into PF2. All in all, I consider this an essential book for GMs, with the sample rules systems being of use to even those developing their own deities and pantheons. Five out of five stars.


4/5

This book is great for those that like the deities in the setting. The rules for the included gods are thorough and cover everything you need to play clerics for each god. Granted, they don't cover everyone, like the Goblin Hero Gods or the Orcish Gods, but they cover a lot of ground for the size of the book.


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Ed Reppert wrote:
Franz Lunzer wrote:
I mean... Milani has boob-window and high-heels armor. That could be offending to some.
There are some people perfectly capable of being offended by just about anything.

I find your statement offensive.

;)

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Franz Lunzer wrote:
I mean... Milani has boob-window and high-heels armor. That could be offending to some.

Its still MUCH less revealing than her old outfit.

Before she had much more revealing cleavage and you could see her legs completely. She essentially traded her superhero costume into another type of superhero costume :P

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Hey all,

Just a friendly reminder that the best response to someone posting a review you don't agree with isn't ragging on the reviewer, it's posting your own reviews expressing your viewpoint. Posts ridiculing someone's reviewing practices are likely to be taken down if they start becoming personal attacks, or just buried over time as the thread continues. The reviews live under that link with the star average posted at the top of the page for the life of the product.


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Xenocrat wrote:
Feros wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
A 1-star review because the reviewer ... heard that there's sexualized art? That's new in the "didn't read, 0/5" department.

OK, that's just nuts. I went through the book after this and found nine pieces that—based on clothes and/or posing—might be construed as sexualized art. Of those, I would discount all but one: Calistria, the goddess of lust, the only one flashing cleavage and posing in a sexy manner. The rest would have to be interpretation because I had to stretch my imagination to see it.

I thought Besmara edged ahead of Calistria.

Besmara shows leg and cleavage, but isn't posed in a seductive manner. Calistria is the only one who sports both pose and skimpy outfit. As the goddess of lust, however, I would argue that it doesn't count as "unnecessarily sexualized."

EDIT: As Michael Sayre advised, I'll stop commenting on the review and finish writing my own. Best way to counter it. :)


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I too need to do better about leaving reviews...I'll try to set aside some time to do so.


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Do you only get the free pdf when you have a subscription or does buying the physic book from paizo also get the pdf?

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H2Osw wrote:
Do you only get the free pdf when you have a subscription or does buying the physic book from paizo also get the pdf?

Only with the subscription.


Is this book out for retail? Developer video says yes but amazon says april 7th.

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It is out, but Amazon is notorious for how slow it is to get RPG books across its supply chain.

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Amazon does not make the book, and you can purchase it elsewhere, such as here from the people who do make it :3

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Amazon does not make the book, and you can purchase it elsewhere, such as here from the people who do make it :3

Or somewhere where the overseas shipping costs and the prospect of paying VAT on the top of the listed price doesn't kill you :P


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I would buy it from pazio but that shipping cost kills it or from my local game store but they closed. Looks like B&N has it on the 2/11. Thanks for confirming the dates, thought I was going crazy.


I'm disappointed Groetus is listed as Harm only and not open to CG characters. I really liked what the Kingmaker video game did with the Harbinger of Last Days, and a few new bits here seem like a rejection of that lore. It emphasized he's not the cause of the end ("chaotic neutral" for a reason), it's just inevitable. One ending even has a priest of his

Spoiler:
learning to enjoy existence while it lasts, even if it will end eventually

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Good followers of Groetus make about as much sense as Neutral worshippers of Folca who, erm, want to help children realise their true potential earlier.


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deuxhero wrote:

I'm disappointed Groetus is listed as Harm only and not open to CG characters. I really liked what the Kingmaker video game did with the Harbinger of Last Days, and a few new bits here seem like a rejection of that lore. It emphasized he's not the cause of the end ("chaotic neutral" for a reason), it's just inevitable. One ending even has a priest of his

** spoiler omitted **

Groetus is still a god of destruction; they're not going to grant healing. And while you could have a CG worshiper that takes a rather sunny disposition on the eventual destruction of everything, Groetus isn't going to grant them divine power.

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Page 59, Ghlaunder: "Cleric Spells 1st: goblin pox, 2nd: vomit swarm (Pathfinder Advanced Player’s Guide), 3rd: insect form"

Oh yes? Is this preperation for the forthcoming APG in August, or a mistake referring to the 1E version?


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Darrell Impey UK wrote:

Page 59, Ghlaunder: "Cleric Spells 1st: goblin pox, 2nd: vomit swarm (Pathfinder Advanced Player’s Guide), 3rd: insect form"

Oh yes? Is this preperation for the forthcoming APG in August, or a mistake referring to the 1E version?

In the appendix you'll se even more references to the APG, and I'm pretty sure it's the upcoming one.

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Nope, prep from the upcoming book is correct :3

Edit: ninjaed

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Rysky wrote:

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Amazon does not make the book, and you can purchase it elsewhere, such as here from the people who do make it :3

Amazon actually list the "release date" as April 10th (after what they say is the release data for the GMG in March), which is very odd.


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Rysky wrote:

(For all future inquiries)

Amazon does not make the book, and you can purchase it elsewhere, such as here from the people who do make it :3

Amazon actually list the "release date" as April 10th (after what they say is the release data for the GMG in March), which is very odd.

Amazon is terrible about getting RPG books out. My suggestion would be to just hit your local store or B&N. You should get it soon there. If you don't want to do that, buy the PDF.

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I will need to update my Alignments-Deities-Domains analysis, but many deities here allow fewer alignments than in PF1, though a few allow more, as opposed to the CRB 20.

I feel that overall it reduces Golarion's otherwise incredible variety of possibilities for PCs.

It was fun figuring out the motivations of a CG Cleric of Gorum or Groetus that would not feel contrived.

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Most of them were contrived though :p

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Neither made any sense, unless your goal was "theoretical construct I can argue about with people who never played the game".

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IIRC Gorum's description in Inner Sea Gods as the deity of "will you fight?", ie patron of those that refuse to give up and prefer to die fighting could be quite an inspiration for a proper CG hero.

And Groetus' followers are depicted as the mad ones. Making them all evil when other deities of madness are Evil feeds the mad = evil conceit.

Maybe that is why Tsukiyo was later introduced as a Good deity of the moon and madness. Who is now opened to CG Clerics.

Is wishing for things to end so UnGood?

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Gorbacz wrote:
Neither made any sense, unless your goal was "theoretical construct I can argue about with people who never played the game".

And yet many posters seem to have no problem with CG worshippers of those two gods. And then strive to justify why these cannot be Clerics.

Is it bad to adhere to a vision of Golarion's deities based on what was possible in PF1 even if it is no longer possible in PF2?

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I'm myself mostly salty about neutral worshipers of all the evil gods that didn't make sense in 1e xD

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The Raven Black wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
Neither made any sense, unless your goal was "theoretical construct I can argue about with people who never played the game".

And yet many posters seem to have no problem with CG worshippers of those two gods. And then strive to justify why these cannot be Clerics.

Is it bad to adhere to a vision of Golarion's deities based on what was possible in PF1 even if it is no longer possible in PF2?

And many did.

Gorum has some decent aspects, which is why he is CN and not CE. He’s war for the sake of war. That’s not a Good thing.

Groetus is entropy, the herald of the end. Not really anything Good in there but plenty and easy ways for Evil to go.


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Darrell Impey UK wrote:

Page 59, Ghlaunder: "Cleric Spells 1st: goblin pox, 2nd: vomit swarm (Pathfinder Advanced Player’s Guide), 3rd: insect form"

Oh yes? Is this preperation for the forthcoming APG in August, or a mistake referring to the 1E version?

I am happy to see that vomit swarm is making it into 2nd edition!

Now we just need Beguiling Gift, Compelling Rant, Deathclutch, Lipstitch & Skinsend and I will have all of my favourite spells with which to torment my players.

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The Raven Black wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
Neither made any sense, unless your goal was "theoretical construct I can argue about with people who never played the game".

And yet many posters seem to have no problem with CG worshippers of those two gods. And then strive to justify why these cannot be Clerics.

Is it bad to adhere to a vision of Golarion's deities based on what was possible in PF1 even if it is no longer possible in PF2?

Yes, it's bad. It was not any vision, but a result of people designing deities and not always being aware of the "one step away" general rule.

This led Bubbly Bubbas to come up with interpretations that were silly (CG followers of Groetus telling people that the end of the world and an abrupt obliteration of somebody's happy life ain't all that bad) and interpretations that were full on ugly (Neutral worshippers of Folca who think that abducting children and, erm, unfurling the delicate pink petals of their innocence is not that bad because it will help them realise their true potential earlier).

Good riddance to this idiotism getting rightfully taken out and shot.

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Rysky wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
Neither made any sense, unless your goal was "theoretical construct I can argue about with people who never played the game".

And yet many posters seem to have no problem with CG worshippers of those two gods. And then strive to justify why these cannot be Clerics.

Is it bad to adhere to a vision of Golarion's deities based on what was possible in PF1 even if it is no longer possible in PF2?

And many did.

Gorum has some decent aspects, which is why he is CN and not CE. He’s war for the sake of war. That’s not a Good thing.

Groetus is entropy, the herald of the end. Not really anything Good in there but plenty and easy ways for Evil to go.

What difference is there then between a CN deity and a CE deity if they both allow only CE and CN Clerics?

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Following one gets you rolled eyes, following the other gets you publicly disemboweled.


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For most deities, most divinely empowered worshippers are the same alignment. Any steps away are less common, with a few exceptions. So a CE God will have far more CE worshippers than CN, and vice versa for a CN deity. That's not a difference for PCs, but they're expected to be outliers.


Rysky wrote:

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Amazon does not make the book, and you can purchase it elsewhere, such as here from the people who do make it :3

The problem is not Amazon. I work in a smal gamesstore. When i want stuff from Paizo, i need to wait 6 weeks and pray everyday. and then, maybe paizo will send the stuff to europe. sometimes i think paizo dont want to make money in europe...

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dieMinne wrote:
Rysky wrote:

(For all future inquiries)

Amazon does not make the book, and you can purchase it elsewhere, such as here from the people who do make it :3

The problem is not Amazon. I work in a smal gamesstore. When i want stuff from Paizo, i need to wait 6 weeks and pray everyday. and then, maybe paizo will send the stuff to europe. sometimes i think paizo dont want to make money in europe...

You're not dealing with Paizo directly, you're dealing with the distributor, just like Amazon does. And distributors in general and European in particular ... are wobbly. And even when they aren't, they tend to prioritize stuff that sells (5e) over a sideshow.

And Europe is, hate to break it in, something like 10% of D&D/PF market. Between everybody wanting their own language edition (and having to work with local companies to get them done), every country having its own peculiarities, several countries having their Favourite Fantasy RPG (Germany = DSA, Poland = Warhammer), it's really not a priority market if you can make fat cash in 80% of your market that's US+CAN without all those issues.


Gorbacz wrote:
dieMinne wrote:
Rysky wrote:

(For all future inquiries)

Amazon does not make the book, and you can purchase it elsewhere, such as here from the people who do make it :3

The problem is not Amazon. I work in a smal gamesstore. When i want stuff from Paizo, i need to wait 6 weeks and pray everyday. and then, maybe paizo will send the stuff to europe. sometimes i think paizo dont want to make money in europe...

You're not dealing with Paizo directly, you're dealing with the distributor, just like Amazon does. And distributors in general and European in particular ... are wobbly. And even when they aren't, they tend to prioritize stuff that sells (5e) over a sideshow.

And Europe is, hate to break it in, something like 10% of D&D/PF market. Between everybody wanting their own language edition (and having to work with local companies to get them done), every country having its own peculiarities, several countries having their Favourite Fantasy RPG (Germany = DSA, Poland = Warhammer), it's really not a priority market if you can make fat cash in 80% of your market that's US+CAN without all those issues.

You are right its 10% of the market, but still a lot of money.

Yes i have my distributor, but they would loooooove to work faster with Paizo. Because the market for pf2 in europe wants to grow. But you cant get the Books, amazon is waiting for the delivery from Paizo, the distributors are waiting for Paizo eeeerveryone waits. And when you get it, the chance is very high that the product is broken.

It would be intresting if thats a blind spot for Paizo?

Back to topic, i orderd Gods and Magic for my Shop 4 Weeks ago. Maybe it will arrive next week. It will not be my bestseller but some costumers are waiting.


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The Raven Black wrote:
Is it bad to adhere to a vision of Golarion's deities based on what was possible in PF1 even if it is no longer possible in PF2?

I find this a bit disconcerting considering Paizo has said that any story in Golarion that could be told with PF1 can be told with PF2.


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In fairness, Paizo was never going to write an NPC CG worshipper of Groetus for Pathfinder Classic either.

If you want them in your campaign, go nuts, no one from Paizo will be banging on your door because you do things differently.

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Ed Reppert wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Is it bad to adhere to a vision of Golarion's deities based on what was possible in PF1 even if it is no longer possible in PF2?
I find this a bit disconcerting considering Paizo has said that any story in Golarion that could be told with PF1 can be told with PF2.

Some stories aren’t worth telling.

CG followers of Gorum, N followers of Folca, CN followers of Socothbenoth, LN followers of Zepar.

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Ed Reppert wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Is it bad to adhere to a vision of Golarion's deities based on what was possible in PF1 even if it is no longer possible in PF2?
I find this a bit disconcerting considering Paizo has said that any story in Golarion that could be told with PF1 can be told with PF2.

Paizo has already stopped telling stories in PF1 which they used to tell earlier in PF1, so you can team up with 3 fans of Darklight Sisterhood, two fans of Dragonfall and that creepy N Cleric of Folca but really a member of NAMBLA to wave that banner together. Just don't let the Folca guy take you to his ice cream truck.

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Rysky wrote:
Ed Reppert wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Is it bad to adhere to a vision of Golarion's deities based on what was possible in PF1 even if it is no longer possible in PF2?
I find this a bit disconcerting considering Paizo has said that any story in Golarion that could be told with PF1 can be told with PF2.

Some stories aren’t worth telling.

CG followers of Gorum, N followers of Folca, CN followers of Socothbenoth, LN followers of Zepar.

I will be sure to tell that to my Jade Regent player who loved having the opportunity to play her CG Rage Prophet of Gorum.

Not to mention the versatile channeling Cleric of Pharasma I played with the most rich and poignant character story I ever had for any of my Golarion PCs.

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captain yesterday wrote:

In fairness, Paizo was never going to write an NPC CG worshipper of Groetus for Pathfinder Classic either.

If you want them in your campaign, go nuts, no one from Paizo will be banging on your door because you do things differently.

Indeed. And we can always write CN on the sheet while playing CG. After all so many did this while playing CE.

But there is a certain elegance of being able to tell your stories while keeping 100% sincerely faithful to RAW.

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Gorbacz wrote:
Ed Reppert wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Is it bad to adhere to a vision of Golarion's deities based on what was possible in PF1 even if it is no longer possible in PF2?
I find this a bit disconcerting considering Paizo has said that any story in Golarion that could be told with PF1 can be told with PF2.
Paizo has already stopped telling stories in PF1 which they used to tell earlier in PF1, so you can team up with 3 fans of Darklight Sisterhood, two fans of Dragonfall and that creepy N Cleric of Folca but really a member of NAMBLA to wave that banner together. Just don't let the Folca guy take you to his ice cream truck.

Shouldn't we let Folca drift back in the forgotten limboes where Paizo decided to leave him behind?

Surely we do not need him as the perpetual scarecrow of why setting changes should not ever be challenged.

Silver Crusade

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Sure, CG followers of Gorum are just as pointless. War is death, destruction, sexual assault, ethnic cleansing, broken families, hatred, orphaned kids and a ton of ugly, bad, wrong things which you could get away with by being a CN shortsighted "I'm in it for the thrill" idiot, but a Good character? Never.


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The Raven Black wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

In fairness, Paizo was never going to write an NPC CG worshipper of Groetus for Pathfinder Classic either.

If you want them in your campaign, go nuts, no one from Paizo will be banging on your door because you do things differently.

Indeed. And we can always write CN on the sheet while playing CG. After all so many did this while playing CE.

But there is a certain elegance of being able to tell your stories while keeping 100% sincerely faithful to RAW.

You can play faithfully to RAW, you'll just have to pick a different deity (and make sure you offer a blessing to "Macho Man" Randy Savage).

Also, there are SO MANY deities in the appendix surely you can find one that fits your idea with the alignment you envision.

Liberty's Edge

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Gorbacz wrote:
Sure, CG followers of Gorum are just as pointless. War is death, destruction, sexual assault, ethnic cleansing, broken families, hatred, orphaned kids and a ton of ugly, bad, wrong things which you could get away with by being a CN shortsighted "I'm in it for the thrill" idiot, but a Good character? Never.

That is your vision of it, and likely shared by Paizo too. Even though Iomedae is also a goddess of War.

But others may see War as conflict, the opposite of meekly surrendering, being willing to die rather than give up your convictions. Or exalting in fighting no matter the odds, whether you win or lose in the end. Growing stronger through overcoming adversity and keeping true to who you are.
All of which does not necessarily entail the atrocities you mention.

Silver Crusade

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Yeah, there’s plenty deities of honorable combat and the like for boisterous CG folks.

Liberty's Edge

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Rysky wrote:
Yeah, there’s plenty deities of honorable combat and the like for boisterous CG folks.

And yet none spoke to my player like Gorum's "will you fight?"


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Sekhmet, CN Osirian deity of battle allows CG spellcasters.

So does Count Ranalc, Eldest of betrayal or whatever.

There's also Hanspur, Sun Wukong, and Ashukharma.


captain yesterday wrote:

In fairness, Paizo was never going to write an NPC CG worshipper of Groetus for Pathfinder Classic either.

If you want them in your campaign, go nuts, no one from Paizo will be banging on your door because you do things differently.

We might.

Dark Archive

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Gorum just isn't that noble as what you are declaring, nor are majority of deities just batteries to get power from :p

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