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Yeah, ex-barbarian would be cool, but I think that'd be really out of place in this book, but maybe in a future oneHow so? All the other ex-Archetypes are in this book.
the others imply losing faith or discipline. The barbarian most likely would go the other way.
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I guess, yeah, but still.the others imply losing faith or discipline. The barbarian most likely would go the other way.Yeah, ex-barbarian would be cool, but I think that'd be really out of place in this book, but maybe in a future oneHow so? All the other ex-Archetypes are in this book.
Maybe in a Redeemed Heroes Handbook...
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Maybe in a Redeemed Heroes Handbook...I guess, yeah, but still.the others imply losing faith or discipline. The barbarian most likely would go the other way.Yeah, ex-barbarian would be cool, but I think that'd be really out of place in this book, but maybe in a future oneHow so? All the other ex-Archetypes are in this book.
Eh, I don't care for the statement that makes, there's nothing "Evil" about Barbarians, for starters.
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How so? All the other ex-Archetypes are in this book.
And my brain just went down the rabbit-hole of envisioning antihero Archetypes for ex-(Red Mantis) Assassins, ex-Hellknights or even ex-Aspis Consortium jerks, using the naughty skills they learned on the side of Team Bad to oppose other members of Team Bad.
Ex-Whispering Way cultists, who used to be undead, but 'got better' and now fight the undead (and Whispering Way cult), using their intimate insider knowledge and some lingering 'one foot still on the other side / lightly upon this earth' traits? Too sexy. And I may have just binge-watched the first two seasons of iZombie, so my objectivity is not to be trusted.
Some sort of dark boddhisatva, who damned themselves as diabolists, demonologists, etc. and are now using their dark gifts to oppose the forces they once pledged themselves to, and trying to make sure that nobody else makes the same sort of mistake they did, in the short time they have left before their souls are claimed by their past mistakes? (And I may have read Dilvish the Damned / The Changing Land too many times, where the protagonist used spells he learned in Hell to fight evil).
Eeee, I'm just digging myself deeper into this hole...
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Oh, just keep going, Set! I'll pop some popcorn! I see a "Redeemed Hero's Handbook" in the future at this rate.
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Oh, just keep going, Set! I'll pop some popcorn! I see a "Redeemed Hero's Handbook" in the future at this rate.
Ex-messageboard troll, seeking redemption by spreading useful advice and creative inspirations and the occasional homebrew?
Oh wait, that's getting pretty meta...
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Oh, just keep going, Set! I'll pop some popcorn! I see a "Redeemed Hero's Handbook" in the future at this rate.Ex-messageboard troll, seeking redemption by spreading useful advice and creative inspirations and the occasional homebrew?
Oh wait, that's getting pretty meta...
Redemption is for wussies. Living on the edge is the way.
And got my copy, so! The rules elements!
** spoiler omitted **...
That's some great stuff there!
The bone-spike mutagen sounds like it works great when it enhances strength and you combo it with a giant form extract. Guess what? You're Doomsday now!
And that 'Notorious Fool' vigilante social talent sounds like it's for all the Bruce Wayne/Don Diego wannabes.
Must...know more...about archetypes...pretty please :)
From the info here, I'm very confused as to whether the "Vindictive Bastard" is actually an ex-paladin or just a douchebag paladin that still has to follow the same strict conduct rules. I see people referring to it as being an "ex-paladin" but... is it actually? :/
First off, there's absolutely nothing in the archetype that requires or encourages the character to be a "douchebag". They're all about vengeance and violence.
Secondly, since they have fallen, no, they do not have to follow the code or alignment anymore.
Oooooh, so they have fallen and the archetype says that? That's awesome then!
Thanks :)
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First off, there's absolutely nothing in the archetype that requires or encourages the character to be a "douchebag". They're all about vengeance and violence.
Secondly, since they have fallen, no, they do not have to follow the code or alignment anymore.
Oooooh, so they have fallen and the archetype says that? That's awesome then!
Ah, okies, my apologies for being a bit aggressive there.
Yes, they are (like the rest of the Ex-archetypes) explicitly a fallen Paladin.
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First off, there's absolutely nothing in the archetype that requires or encourages the character to be a "douchebag". They're all about vengeance and violence.
Secondly, since they have fallen, no, they do not have to follow the code or alignment anymore.
Oooooh, so they have fallen and the archetype says that? That's awesome then!
Ah, okies, my apologies for being a bit aggressive there.
Yes, they are (like the rest of the Ex-archetypes) explicitly a fallen Paladin.
Wild Ryskys are primarily known for their aggression... and their love of Jubilex.
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Yep ^w^
(but no, really, it's an excellent book)
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Wild Ryskys are primarily known for their aggression... and their love of Jubilex.
So... Demon worshipping barbarian archetype? (I'd play that)
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Wild Ryskys are primarily known for their aggression... and their love of Jubilex.So... Demon worshipping barbarian archetype? (I'd play that)
Sounds about right to me.
Isn't Jubilex about being lazy and not raging? :D
He does other things.
I feel like I'm derailing to much at this point.
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Must...know more...about archetypes...pretty please :)
Monk trades ki for a versatile pool covering both social and combat situations. You can trade your more mystical features away to increase the pool. In true Monk form, your capstone is actively terrible for you, preventing you from being resurrected. Chained only, unfortunately.
Druid archetype is a corner-alignment take on the Elemental Ally archetype. Only one eidolon, but you get some Bloodrager abilities in exchange for your Wild Shape. The reduced spells hurt more than Cleric, since you don't get anything to make up for them.
Investigator archetype gets a lot of interrogation techniques. Amusingly, you are eventually asking ten questions in a round in some sort of interrogation auctioneer's patter. The archetype is nice because it doesn't mess with your first two talents, although you are restricted to only using inspiration on skills.
Rogue archetype gets a handful of supernatural/SLA abilities for covering their tracks (temporarily tamper with memories, alter bodies), and can prevent enemies from running away as well.
Hunter archetype throws willing allies under the bus with something of a challenge ability, but directed at somebody else. Fun if you've got a cavalier or kinetic knight in the group, because those penalties stack. Includes a small spell failure chance, too. It's limited uses, but as much as you want on your poor, poor animal companion, you heartless jerk.
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Must...know more...about archetypes...pretty please :)** spoiler omitted **
Just to point out the Sin Monk does not prevent you from being resurrected. It just has a rider effect if you are resurrected.
Is it posssible to pick these archetypes at the start of your characters career and skmply say you fell pre game time
Yep, the only caveat is that you did indeed fall.
From the info here, I'm very confused as to whether the "Vindictive Bastard" is actually an ex-paladin or just a douchebag paladin that still has to follow the same strict conduct rules. I see people referring to it as being an "ex-paladin" but... is it actually? :/Specifically, it's a part of a new category of ex-class archetypes that can be taken immediately upon becoming an ex-member of that class, regardless of character level, and someone who does so can continue taking levels in the class even though they would normally be prohibited from doing so. If you have an archetype already, you lose it if it doesn't stack with these, and keep it if it does. On the downside, if you intend to ever go back, choosing to go this route will require an additional atonement or something similar since you not only fell, but went even further down the path after falling. It's a pretty neat concept.
Interesting mechanic....I think I like :P
Just to point out the Sin Monk does not prevent you from being resurrected. It just has a rider effect if you are resurrected.Must...know more...about archetypes...pretty please :)** spoiler omitted **
Eh, coming back as an NPC isn't really you coming back, though. You're still rolling a new character. Of course, level twenty already means that, generally.
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Eh, coming back as an NPC isn't really you coming back, though. You're still rolling a new character. Of course, level twenty already means that, generally.Just to point out the Sin Monk does not prevent you from being resurrected. It just has a rider effect if you are resurrected.Must...know more...about archetypes...pretty please :)** spoiler omitted **
*nods*
Though anything that's "you turn into an NPC" is something you always take up with the GM.
If someone can provide some information: what is the "Channeler of the Unknown" archetype like? And what is the "Insatiable" drawback like?
Just some hints would be appreciated.
Some sort of dark boddhisatva, who damned themselves as diabolists, demonologists, etc. and are now using their dark gifts to oppose the forces they once pledged themselves to, and trying to make sure that nobody else makes the same sort of mistake they did, in the short time they have left before their souls are claimed by their past mistakes? (And I may have read Dilvish the Damned / The Changing Land too many times, where the protagonist used spells he learned in Hell to fight evil).
I love everything that Zelazny wrote, but The Changing Land was the first of his works that I read so it will always have a special place in my heart.
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If someone can provide some information: what is the "Channeler of the Unknown" archetype like? And what is the "Insatiable" drawback like?
Just some hints would be appreciated.
For the Channeler instead of getting Channel Positive or Channel Negative they get Channel If It Has HP It Dies, plus some other neat stuff.
Insatiable you're used to living the good life and therefore have to get more to maintain yourself.
Thank you Luthorne!
If someone can provide some information: what is the "Channeler of the Unknown" archetype like? And what is the "Insatiable" drawback like?
Just some hints would be appreciated.
For the Channeler instead of getting Channel Positive or Channel Negative they get Channel If It Has HP It Dies, plus some other neat stuff.
Insatiable you're used to living the good life and therefore have to get more to maintain yourself.
Thanks.
I don't know about WBL penalty but you do have to spend more when it comes to certain things.
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It's the "not it!" archetype, they can designate a foe and an ally and the foe takes increasing penalties against anyone that isn't the designated ally, including spell failure.
Anyone able to tell me the specifics of just the 1st level bloodrager bloodline power? (i think someone said it was damage, so... 1d6 on all attacks for x rounds? x attacks? only against certain foes?)
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Anyone able to tell me the specifics of just the 1st level bloodrager bloodline power? (i think someone said it was damage, so... 1d6 on all attacks for x rounds? x attacks? only against certain foes?)
Nope. While we can give previews of stuff, specific mechanics have to wait until the release date.
Anyone able to tell me the specifics of just the 1st level bloodrager bloodline power? (i think someone said it was damage, so... 1d6 on all attacks for x rounds? x attacks? only against certain foes?)Nope. While we can give previews of stuff, specific mechanics have to wait until the release date.
Ah well, thanks :)