Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Ultimate Wilderness

Oh I'm on board for the shifter. If it has some spell casting that's cool, but I assume it won't which is fine cause shape sifting is awesome.

The list of classes getting Archetypes looks good, a nice mix.

I love fey so I'm happy to see them around, but agree that some elemental stuff (especially that might tie into some under developed Kineticist elements, hint) is present.

Will we finally get Basic Phytokinesis?

Can we get confirmation that the Shifter is full BAB? Even if it isn't there's a lot for me to be interested in for this book but a full BAB wildshaper has been my #1 desire for a very long time.

Will there be a playtest for the Shifter?

Glad to see you guys are excited!

To expand very vaguely on this bit from the product description: "New archetypes for alchemists, bards, druids, hunters, inquisitors, investigators, kineticists, mesmerists, paladins, rangers, rogues, slayers, and more!" I'll mention that brawlers (who haven't had an archetype in quite a while) are one of the other classes among the "and more".

Although excited I am slightly saddened that Barbarian has been relegated to the "and more" part :3

my wallet. . . is not ready for this. :D

Please

Please
PLEASE
tell me that she can't change into animals only!
Tell me that she will be as versatile as hell!
Pleaseeeeeeee

That's right, because we have the right to Bear Arms!

Seriously though, any chance that we can get a Vigilante style play test for the Shifter, maybe with a PFS play test chronicle?

Wilderness Survival Guide was the last 1st ed &D book published, in 1986.

I read that book over and over.

Hmmmm....

I thought Paizo had said the Vigilante was going to be the last class for awhile. Color me... intrigued.

Maybe now the other iconics will stop referring to me as the "new guy".

I'm actually far more excited about the information regarding the Fey than I am the Shifter class. I hope I'm proven wrong, but it sounds pretty munchkin-y to me.

Mark Seifter wrote:

Glad to see you guys are excited!

To expand very vaguely on this bit from the product description: "New archetypes for alchemists, bards, druids, hunters, inquisitors, investigators, kineticists, mesmerists, paladins, rangers, rogues, slayers, and more!" I'll mention that brawlers (who haven't had an archetype in quite a while) are one of the other classes among the "and more".

Although excited I am slightly saddened that Barbarian has been relegated to the "and more" part :3

Just going to say: the "and more" part of the announcement doesn't mean that the class is just in the "other class archetypes and class features" section of the book. For example, brawlers have their own section, and other classes do too (will barbarian be one of them? you'll have to find out!)

Rysky wrote:

Mark Seifter wrote:

Glad to see you guys are excited!

To expand very vaguely on this bit from the product description: "New archetypes for alchemists, bards, druids, hunters, inquisitors, investigators, kineticists, mesmerists, paladins, rangers, rogues, slayers, and more!" I'll mention that brawlers (who haven't had an archetype in quite a while) are one of the other classes among the "and more".

Although excited I am slightly saddened that Barbarian has been relegated to the "and more" part :3

Just going to say: the "and more" part of the announcement doesn't mean that the class is just in the "other class archetypes and class features" section of the book. For example, brawlers have their own section, and other classes do too (will barbarian be one of them? you'll have to find out!)

Yay! Okies!

Thankies Mark ^w^

I wonder if any part of this was "salvaged" from the announced and planned Encounter Codex, that was shelved etc. for reasons?

Nope. We're working on finding a different home for that material.

I hope its a martial class and not a caster.

Related, holy crap, there are a lot of hardcovers coming out this calendar year. #walletiscrying

A proper Shifter?! Woooooot! This is what I was hoping for from the Mooncursed Barbarian which sadly, whilst incredibly cool, was just a terrible option for several reason.

Shifter?! Yes please!

I hope its a martial class and not a caster.

Related, holy crap, there are a lot of hardcovers coming out this calendar year. #walletiscrying

Well, people were worried that Starfinder was going to mean less Pathfinder, and we can't be leaving folks with a faulty impression like that! :)

A martial shapeshifting class. I'm soooo ready for this. Will the Shifter have a play test?

I would really love that. I really enjoyed testing the kineticist and vigilante when they were first released.

All I'm hoping is that they're more than just an animorph or feral hunter archetype (hunter).

Disappointed about the Fey stuff being more Golarion content, but otherwise looking forward to this book as hopefully the first world info will only be as invasive as the Boneyard stuff in Occult Adventures.

Highly doubt it's a Caster class. For two reasons.

1) We have too many caster classes

2) We already have a casting, shapeshifting class (Druid).

Although it's too early to predict what it can and can't do, If the shifter can only shift into animals, vermins and plants (wilderness related creature types), I'm sure there are going to be archetypes for changing into celestials, fiends, dragons and elemental in no time. ;)

I'm also really happy to see a new system for weather hazards. It's going to be really useful in my homebrew draconic realm.

I am excited for this book...maybe we will see Ultimate City book?

Wow!! August and October are gearing up to be my favorite months this year! Starfinder in August and now Ultimate Wilderness in October! I am really excited for the shifter class and hope there is a playtest for the class (if not, I understand and still want to play one regardless)!

I am excited for this book...maybe we will see Ultimate City book?

I'm trying hard not to get my hopes up about future broad environment Ultimate series books, but this would be soooo awesome.

Ultimate Suburban?

Well... I suppose Ultimate Urban has to come first....

I am excited for this book...maybe we will see Ultimate City book?

I hope the archetypes for other classes aren't mostly just a mix of the shifter class with the base class. I get bored of those really quickly.

Man, I have been asking for an Ultimate Environments book for years, so this seems very promising to me.

I am hoping that content from Player Companion's 'Alchemy Manual' & 'Heroes of the Wild' are both incorporated into Ultimate Wilderness.

Really excited for the Shifter Class! can't wait to see the playtest!

Also quick question for Mark, Since the Wood kineticist is still missing it's Basic Phytokinesis talent, will we be seeing that element released properly in this book?

This looks really neat!

Davic The Grey wrote:

Brew Bird wrote:

A martial shapeshifting class. I'm soooo ready for this. Will the Shifter have a play test?

Are you assuming Shifter will be martial focused based on something? I don't see anything to suggest they will be other than the overlap with druids and hunters. I'm hoping for a 1/1 BAB martial class but...

Yeah I don't see where it is a martial either. I mean it may be but it might not be.

True, nothing says it's going to be martial, but spell-based shapeshifting is already so well supported, I thought it would be unlikely a whole new class would retread that same territory.

I love characters that have a humanoid "social" form and a monstrous "combat" form. (The Hulk, The Abomination from Darkest Dungeon, Lycanthropes in Skyrim, Krieg from Borderlands 2, The Gangrel from VTMB, The Shadow Walk power as well as The Crown Killer from Dishonored 2, etc.) Bonus points if the monstrous form has a mind of its own and is at odds with the humanoid form.

So far, the Master Chymist is the closest I've been able to get to that, but you can't do that until 8th level. The Brute Vigilante almost hit the mark... but was pretty lackluster combat wise.

The Lycanthrope template works, but there's no alignment change, and I'm not a big fan of the animal shapeshifting angle.

I guess what I really want is something that has the Master Chymist's mutate from level 1.

I'm really hoping something in this book can scratch that itch.

Will the Shifter be multiclass friendly?

Oh I'm on board for the shifter. If it has some spell casting that's cool, but I assume it won't which is fine cause shape sifting is awesome.

The list of classes getting Archetypes looks good, a nice mix.

I love fey so I'm happy to see them around, but agree that some elemental stuff (especially that might tie into some under developed Kineticist elements, hint) is present.

Will we finally get Basic Phytokinesis?

Really excited for the Shifter Class! can't wait to see the playtest!

Also quick question for Mark, Since the Wood kineticist is still missing it's Basic Phytokinesis talent, will we be seeing that element released properly in this book?

Was going to ask this myself.

Wow, I missed a lot today for being at work.

SHIFTER CLASS, AWESOME!

first world stuff, awesome!

Finally Brawler archetypes, awesome!

Other archetypes, meh.

Everything else, awesome!

jedi8187 wrote:

Oh I'm on board for the shifter. If it has some spell casting that's cool, but I assume it won't which is fine cause shape sifting is awesome.

The list of classes getting Archetypes looks good, a nice mix.

I love fey so I'm happy to see them around, but agree that some elemental stuff (especially that might tie into some under developed Kineticist elements, hint) is present.

Will we finally get Basic Phytokinesis?

zergtitan wrote:

Really excited for the Shifter Class! can't wait to see the playtest!

Also quick question for Mark, Since the Wood kineticist is still missing it's Basic Phytokinesis talent, will we be seeing that element released properly in this book?

Was going to ask this myself.

If we include the wood element in any new book, it will be certain to have basic phytokinesis, as well as positive blast, verdant blast, etc. However, I'm not confirming wood as being in this book (though kineticist content is confirmed in the product description). You'll have to find out in November! (or sooner with blog previews)

Just thought I would mention that several years ago Kobold Quarterly did a spelless shfter druid class for PRPG rules and I am very excited to see how this Shifter class is both similar and different and how they compliment each other!

Just thought I would mention that several years ago Kobold Quarterly did a spelless shfter druid class for PRPG rules and I am very excited to see how this Shifter class is both similar and different and how they compliment each other!

Did they? I completely bypassed that. I only remember the spell-less ranger.

I'm sold already!

Ultimate City would rock for the fact I'd love to use that in Curse of the Crimson Throne. ;)

But this! This looks great for Giantslayer or even Kingmaker! :)

My favorite shifter is Everyman Gaming's shapeshifter from Paranormal Adventures, personally, but I certainly can't play that in Pathfinder Society. I'm definitely curious as to how Paizo will approach it. I'm hoping for a full BAB non-spellcaster myself with the ability to assume at least some forms indefinitely, or at least 10 minutes/level if not 1 hour/level. I think it might be better if possible to move away from the polymorph spells, granting a wider array of smaller bonuses that can be selected, talent-like, allowing you to customize your shifter in various ways. But who knows? I'm a big fan of shapeshifting, so I'm interested to see what the final product is like regardless of whether or not it meets my current mental concept.

I hope the archetypes for other classes aren't mostly just a mix of the shifter class with the base class. I get bored of those really quickly.

I mean, the last book that had a class in it, Ultimate Intrigue, there really was only like one or two archetypes that were grafting Vigilante onto another class.

Brinebeast wrote:

Just thought I would mention that several years ago Kobold Quarterly did a spelless shfter druid class for PRPG rules and I am very excited to see how this Shifter class is both similar and different and how they compliment each other!

Did they? I completely bypassed that. I only remember the spell-less ranger.

Kobold Quarterly issue 15 has 3 alternate versions of the Druid class.

JoelF847 wrote:

I hope the archetypes for other classes aren't mostly just a mix of the shifter class with the base class. I get bored of those really quickly.

I mean, the last book that had a class in it, Ultimate Intrigue, there really was only like one or two archetypes that were grafting Vigilante onto another class.

To be fair, a lot of vigilante archetypes are basically grafting the wizard/inquisitor/gunslinger/etc. to the vigilante.

Stop. Just stop. You had me at "shifter."

Will Huston wrote:

JoelF847 wrote:

I hope the archetypes for other classes aren't mostly just a mix of the shifter class with the base class. I get bored of those really quickly.

I mean, the last book that had a class in it, Ultimate Intrigue, there really was only like one or two archetypes that were grafting Vigilante onto another class.

To be fair, a lot of vigilante archetypes are basically grafting the wizard/inquisitor/gunslinger/etc. to the vigilante.

True, there weren't as many in Ultimate Intrigue, but as Ventnor points out the actual Vigilante ones were mainly other classes onto vigilante. But Occult Adventures and Advanced Class Guide seemed almost entirely of adding the classes from those books to other classes.

Ultimate Suburban?

Well... I suppose Ultimate Urban has to come first....

John Kretzer wrote:

I am excited for this book...maybe we will see Ultimate City book?

Ultimate Dungeon?

Cthulhusquatch wrote:

Ultimate Suburban?

Well... I suppose Ultimate Urban has to come first....

John Kretzer wrote:

I am excited for this book...maybe we will see Ultimate City book?

Ultimate Dungeon?

I would totally support ultimate dungeons if it came with tips for building them, options to "dress" them, systems to implement adventures in them, treasures and traps, some monsters and a new class based on crafting constructs or dungeoneering.

But if had to suggest a new Ultimate after this one I would suggest Ultimate Dra-

Ok... Never happening... T-T

Cthulhusquatch wrote:

Ultimate Suburban?

Well... I suppose Ultimate Urban has to come first....

John Kretzer wrote:

I am excited for this book...maybe we will see Ultimate City book?

Ultimate Dungeon?

That would also be a great idea.

Sovereign, you might want to check out the late-3.5 product Dungeonscape - it does almost everything you're asking for, and it's pretty much all either general enough to be system-neutral or easily used in Pathfinder games with minimal alteration.

Of course, if Paizo decides to take their own stab at the topic, I strongly support this endeavor. ^_^

Sovereign, you might want to check out the late-3.5 product Dungeonscape - it does almost everything you're asking for, and it's pretty much all either general enough to be system-neutral or easily used in Pathfinder games with minimal alteration.

Of course, if Paizo decides to take their own stab at the topic, I strongly support this endeavor. ^_^

Thanks Kalindlara! ;)

I will give it a look, for it will certainly be helpful. Although, as you said, I would also like to see Paizo's approach.

Although it's too early to predict what it can and can't do, If the shifter can only shift into animals, vermins and plants (wilderness related creature types), I'm sure there are going to be archetypes for changing into celestials, fiends, dragons and elemental in no time. ;)

I'm also really happy to see a new system for weather hazards. It's going to be really useful in my homebrew draconic realm.

I was thinking this as well. Its awesome to wildshape a la beast shape, elemental body, form of the dragon, etc. But I'd REALLY like to see some love for transforming into celestials, infernals, lawful,and chaotic outsiders. Think the Eidolon subtypes from unchained Summoner, but maybe encompassing even more outsiders that didn't get any love in Pathfinder Unchained, like kami, kytons, qlippoth, etc. In fact, why not introduce these eidolon subtypes in the hardcover as well?

Also, does anyone else think of the Harmonixer class from the Shaodw Hearts series when they think of the shifter?