Unlock your character’s potential and become a master of the hybrid classes with Pathfinder Player Companion: Advanced Class Origins! Featuring never-before-seen rules options for the 10 new classes from the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Advanced Class Guide, this volume is the ultimate companion for bringing your hybrid class adventurer into the Pathfinder campaign setting. Whether your character is one of Geb’s enigmatic Twilight Sage arcanists, an investigator trained at Lepidstadt Academy in gothic Ustalav, or a scimitar-wielding swashbuckler dervish from Qadira, Advanced Class Origins makes sure her connection to Golarion is as powerful as her unique new skills and abilities.
Inside this book, you’ll find:
New archetypes and character options that integrate each of the 10 classes detailed in the
Pathfinder RPG Advanced Class Guide into the world of Golarion.
Details on homelands, organizations, and institutions around the Inner Sea region to
inform the background of your hybrid class adventurer.
New traits to represent skills your adventurer acquired from locales such as the demon-plagued Tanglebriar, war-torn Nirmathas, and the deep vastness of the Mwangi Jungle.
Tips and advice on how to use the new hybrid classes to qualify for prestige classes and weave a path of renown through the legends and myths of the Inner Sea.
New feats, spells, and items to augment the hexing powers of shamans and witches, empower animal companions with acidic bites, and much more!
This Pathfinder Player Companion is intended for use with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game and the Pathfinder campaign setting, but can easily be incorporated into any fantasy world.
Written by Dennis Baker, Ross Byers, Tom Phillips, Stephen Radney-MacFarland, Owen Stephens.
Cover Art by Igor Grechanyi.
Each monthly 32-page Pathfinder Player Companion contains several player-focused articles exploring the volume’s theme as well as short articles with innovative new rules for all types of characters, as well as traits to better anchor the player to the campaign.
ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-689-8
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Advanced Class Origins is a 32-page, full-color book devoted to the “hybrid classes” introduced in the Advanced Class Guide. A major goal is to integrate these setting-neutral classes into Golarion while simultaneously providing some flavourful additional options.
You can judge the cover art yourself (pretty cool in my opinion!). The inside front-cover is a map of the Inner Sea with little icons depicting where hybrid class characters might originate from. Not a great use of space, as the textual descriptions inside the book are clearer and more specific. The inside back-cover lists all of the archetypes available to hybrid class characters from either the Advanced Class Guide or this book, and which regions (if any) those archetypes are tied to. Again, not especially useful since all it does it provide pointers to the relevant section in the ACG and in this book-—it’s not like it’s compiling information scattered across a dozen books.
The opening pages of the book are a “For Your Character” section (summarising what’s in the book for each of the hybrid classes, an index (which is kinda silly in a 32-page book), a two-page section that offers a one-paragraph summary of where in Golarion the different hybrid classes might be found (unnecessary since the material will be repeated later in the book). We’re not off to a good start, four pages in. There is a useful sidebar summarising which prestige classes from the Core Rulebook or Paths of Prestige that hybrid class PCs might qualify for.
The body of the book essentially consists of a two-page entry for each of the hybrid classes, followed by two-page sections on new feats, magic items, and spells. I’ll move relatively quick through the class entries, embracing the joy of bullet points. I should preface this section of the review by saying that I haven’t played most of these classes except Shaman (though I’ve GM’d for Bloodragers, Swashbucklers, and Warpriests), so my ability to evaluate new mechanics are necessarily limited. The class entries generally introduce one or two new archetypes and a couple of (generally super-weak) traits. The best part of each entry is the discussion of how the classes can be tied into the setting.
• Arcanist: The discussion of arcanists in Golarion is really interesting, showing how the vast majority of people don’t know (or care) about the different between arcanists and wizards. The idea that two of the Arclords of Nex (millenni ago) were arcanists is intriguing. There’s a new archetype introduced here, Twilight Sage, that’s designed for necromantically-oriented arcanists from Geb. One of the archetype’s abilities, Twilight Transfer, is very cool—you bring a creature back to life by draining the life of another! The section contains some new arcane exploits, as well as two regional traits (“pathetic”, according to my notes).
• Bloodrager: There’s an interesting bit about how bloodragers from the Hold of Belkzen most commonly have the undead bloodline, with links to a figure from Curse of the Crimson Throne. The section has two new bloodlines, Black Blood (which looks powerful) and Kyton (which has a very flavourful but mechanically weak ability called Unnerving Gaze).
• Brawler: The entry for brawlers links them heavily to gladiatorial combat in the Inner Sea. There are two new archetypes, Ulfen Beast-Wrestler and Winding Path Renegade, but the latter is incoherent in its flavour. Of the two new combat traits, Absalom Bouncer is almost laughably weak (a +1 damage bonus with unarmed strikes to do non-lethal damage), while another called Failed Aspirant is okay (1/day you can do a combat maneuver without provoking an attack of opportunity).
• Hunter: I still don’t really get the concept of a Hunter as distinct from a Ranger, but I guess that’s a problem with the class and not this book. However, the book doesn’t help, as the archetypes it introduces are bland and forgettable.
• Investigator: There’s a new archetype called Lepidstadt Inspector that has a good concept, even if it’s mechanically inferior to the basic class. There’s also a few new investigator talents.
• Shaman: Introduces the Mammoth spirit, which I have to give some love since my “caveman shaman” Gurkagh is from the Realm of the Mammoth Lords and sometimes invokes it.
• Skald: The Bekyar Demon Dancer archetype is pretty rad (if you don’t mind some demon-worshippers in the party), and there’s also a Belkzen War Drummer (they use the drum-beating clubs to break heads!) and a Dragon Skald.
• Slayer: The entry does a good job giving some examples of how Slayers fit into the setting. I like the niche the Pureblade archetype fills—they focus on slaying aberrations that arise due to the strange alien technology in Numeria. There’s also a Sczarni Executioner archetype and two new Slayer talents.
• Swashbuckler: I’m not a fan of the class, but the Shackles Corsair archetype has some fun abilities while the Whirling Dervish archetype fits in well with Sarenrae’s focus on redemption. I like the cinematic possibilities of the Lion’s Audacity trait—your PC yells “Charge!” and all of your allies get a bonus to attack and damage if they charge with you.
• Warpriest: Two archetypes. Liberty’s Blade for PCs from Andoran and Mantis Zealot for worshippers of Achaekek, that, according to my incredibly descriptive notes, “aren’t very good.” I hope no one reviews this review! Also, a couple of new blessings for the Scalykind and Void domains.
The two pages of feats are an odd mix of the super minor (a feat that lets bards get a +1 to attack and damage for 1 round if they identify a creature) to the super good (a feat that allows Dex to damage for rapier-wielders). I’m guessing that if we could somehow run the numbers, Know Weakness isn’t as popular among players as Fencing Grace. Some better editorial control would have been good here.
The two pages of new magic items have a good mix of flavourful items. I like how well everything is tied into Golarion setting lore, even if in practice most players don’t pay attention to those bits.
There are nine new spells in the magic entry, though, surprisingly, only a couple of specifically-restricted to the hybrid spellcasting classes. One spell, Arcane Disruption, could be a game-changer during certain encounters if it lands—if the target fails a save, they have to make Concentration checks every time they cast a spell.
That’s the book! On the whole, I think the “fluff” or “flavour” is really good. I have a better sense of how the hybrid classes “fit” into Golarion after reading it, and I imagine a lot of players could craft better backstories if they use it. The mechanical options aren’t as balanced as they should be, though admittedly it’s a hard goal to achieve in a game as large and sprawling as Pathfinder. In the end, if you like the hybrid classes and play them regularly, this is a good purchase.
The bulk of Advanced Class Origins is made up of two page spreads for each of the ten new hybrid classes found in the Advanced Class Guide. Roughly one page is devoted to a discussion of common locations from where each hybrid class typically comes from, and the second page goes to mechanical options. The book then goes into new magic items, spells, and feats.
The flavor information is pretty much what a fan of Golarion would expect. Arcanists are from high magic societies, such as Absalom, Nex, and Geb; while skalds are from the Lands of the Linnorn Kings. I personally would have preferred more details on the less obvious choices. For example, skalds are apparently popular in the Taldor’s army, which is strange for the “empire in decline” to encourage raging warriors, and I would have liked to learn more about.
The meat of this book is the mechanical character options, which are to taste. For example, I like both the mechanics and flavor of the black blood bloodrager bloodline, and the seafaring dragon skald. However, some of the archetypes are for evil characters only, or are for very circumstantial builds. I do appreciate the callbacks to prior options, such as giving swashbucklers a whirling dervish archetype, and including scalykind and void blessings for warpriests. Each class spread has regional traits listed, some which are outrageously specific. For example, Lichblood can only be taken by characters from Belkzen with the undead bloodrager bloodline, and gives a +2 on Diplomacy and Intimidate checks only against orcs from Belkzen.
The book includes feats, magic items, and spells, of which the feats especially should have been in the Advanced Class Guide itself. Not just the infamous Fencing Grace (Dexterity to damage with the rapier), but Expanded Spell Kenning (allowing skalds to access the druid and witch spell list) and Pack Tactics (treating animal companions has fellow possessors of a teamwork feat).
Advanced Class Origins is recommended for players interested in the hybrid classes found in the Advanced Class Guide who are looking for a few additional mechanical options.
On the whole, there is quite a bit of useful material in Advanced Class Origins for people who use the hybrid classes from Advanced Class Guide. Even though there are a lot of classes to cover and not a lot of space in the book, it manages to provide a good variety of options for each of those classes. It also does a good job of adding a lot of Golarion-specific flavour to the classes, with archetypes and abilities that are tied to specific locations in the campaign setting. Overall, it's a pretty decent book.
I feel that Paizo's staff really hit the mark with this book. I like Golarion and I want to anchor my character into the setting. Advanced Class Origins does an excellent job of providing that opportunity for the hybrid classes recently introduced to the campaign. The options aren't superior, but they are immersive.
It does basically what the description says. Nothing more. Add in how disappointing the actual ACG was as a whole, this one basically does the minimum to fix or empower what is needed, but instead focuses on holding your hand to fit a great deal of the newer classes into the more obvious flavor themes of the setting.
But in a lot of ways it fails to actually bridge the gaps even on that front. It was pretty clear in the ACG that the writers loved some classes and well, had to do something for the others. Thats basically repeated here, where some classes get cool stuff and others get a whatever scraps are left just so they have a new option in the book.
Lack of Favored Class material for the common non-core races is a huge let down. There is a section about Prestige Classes, but is kind of worthless as it basically traslates to ask your DM, (well, duh). There is just nowhere near enough in this book. What is there is writen well and enjoyable, but tends to be not terribly useful in favor of being niche. It partially feels like some of the almost finished material that they just couldnt fit into the ACG but not enough for its own book, so they added some filling in the form of setting flavor.
If you thought the ACG was perfect, you will probably like this one. If you wanted some fixes for that same book, its probably not for you. Its possible that when they get around to redoing the ACG that this book might get an indidect boost. Its probably not fair that the issues with the ACG directly affect this book as much as they do, but hopefully (if) when that changes, the reverse might be true as well.
Pathfinder Lost Omens, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Order spawning should be starting this weekend, so at some point next week (Monday- Friday) supscribers should be receiving their pdf's. When that does happen could we get a list of archetypes with associated classes?
I still don't understand how they plan to enhance 10 new classes in just 32 pages. I wish they simply just made an exception for this and made it a 64 page book. Where am I supposed to get new Bloodrager bloodlines, Warpriest blessings, Slayer talents, Investigator talents and new Dares now?!
Hoping for 1-2 archetypes. 1-2 pages of feats. Also a reprinting or list of Golarian spells that should be on these new classes spell lists (poor Shaman and Bloodrager)
Personally, I'm not interested at all in the "bringing the hybrid classes to the campaign setting" part at all. To me, that's the fun part of running a game, not reading about it.
What I'm really hoping for is that this book is more of an add on that starts working towards making the ACG the book it really should have been from the start, and focuses much more the general PF game system and not the campaign specific flavor of the setting.
Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber
Dragon78 wrote:
Did anyone else get there shipping soon email?
I have.
Regarding adapting the new classes to Golarion, I'm going to have to disagree strongly with DM Beckett. My personal opinion on the many & varied 'Summoners are broken' threads is that they could have largely (not completely, just largely) been avoided if we had had something like this for Summoners at least, but then I'm on record as being firmly in the 'Paladins should be Lawful Good & only Lawful Good' camp.
As to new Archetypes... I'm on the fence. What I would like to see would be, as others have pointed out, listings of Golarion-specific (I.E.: found only in things like the Player's Companion, the Campaign Guides & the AP's) Spells and Feats. As an example, I know that the Draconic Bloodrager eventually turns into Dragonform during a Bloodrage. It would be nice if a Celestial Bloodrager also had the option of opening up the Angelic Aspect form spells in Champions of Purity. That is just off the top of my head.
Huh, no bloodrager and shaman archetypes. I assume they get other stuff, like new bloodlines and/or hexes.
Oh man, thanks for pointing that out! I was looking through the list, hunting for those two classes in particular. That said, Shaman and Bloodrager both have some A+ work archetypes already! I'm really hoping for some more spirits, or something that lets you take generic Shaman hexes with Wandering Hex. (How cool would it be to only have Craft Wondrous Items during downtime?) A shadow bloodline for Bloodragers would be nice, but I'm quite happy with the options I have there already.
I really like the sound of the Bekyar and Belkzen skalds, and the Ulfen beast wrestler. I admit to wishing that we could have gotten the Orc Bloodrager bloodline in this book, but that can come later.
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They lose trapfinding, trap sense, poison resistance, poison immunity, and swift alchemy, as well as their 3rd and 5th level talents. They gain
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Interrogation (bonuses to Intimidate and Sense Motive), Keen Mind (bonuses to Will saves and Perception checks), Perceptive Tracking (as per the talent, but they have to have it), and Relentless Pursuit (rather like Favored Enemy or the Slayer's Studied Target).
And the shaman gets a new spirit as well. ** spoiler omitted **
Also, yes, the Twilight Sage is necromancy-focused.
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Finally, the perfect option for a shackleborn tiefling! Now I can spread the darkness of Zon-Kuthon across the battlefield whilst giving my enemies the ecstasy of suffering!
I also look forward to playing as a Black-Blooded Bloodrager...Black-Bloodrager? Blackrager?
What kind of powers and spells do you get from the two bloodlines?
Did they expand the Bloodrager and Shaman spell lists?
Yes. Each has a box containing additional spells added to their spell lists.
-Skeld
Yeheheheesssss! Life is good. The new Shaman spirit is a bit of a let-down for me, but that's just personal preference. Oh goodness, I hope they got Shillelagh (or however it's spelled).
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That's even better than the vanilla investigator! Its like the butterscotch topping to my favorite class :DD
please tell me that there's art accompanying this... :X
Did they expand the Bloodrager and Shaman spell lists?
Yes. Each has a box containing additional spells added to their spell lists.
-Skeld
Yeheheheesssss! Life is good. The new Shaman spirit is a bit of a let-down for me, but that's just personal preference. Oh goodness, I hope they got Shillelagh (or however it's spelled).
No, all the updated spells are from Golarion-specific books.
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They lose trapfinding, trap sense, poison resistance, poison immunity, and swift alchemy, as well as their 3rd and 5th level talents. They gain ** spoiler omitted **
That's even better than the vanilla investigator! Its like the butterscotch topping to my favorite class :DD
please tell me that there's art accompanying this... :X
There's art of the Iconic Investigator, but I don't know if it's for that specific Archetype or not (it's on the facing page).
Pathfinder Lost Omens, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Skeld wrote:
zergtitan wrote:
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zergtitan wrote:
What about the Shackles Corsair? What does it replace/get?
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-Skeld
What do the two new deeds do?
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-Skeld
Nice, though in my personal opinion I would have loved to see the plunder deed replaced with a deed smiler to the captain's curse deed from the human gunslinger archetype of the buccaneer.
What about the Liberty’s blade and the Mantis zealot?
to be perfectly honest I was hoping for the red mantis archetype to be for the slayer.
Yeah, I was hoping/expecting that as well - it seemed like an extremely good fit for the Slayer. A TWF sawtooth sabre warpriest of the mantis God might be interesting though, especially if the archetype gives him a few class features to take advantage of that play style.