Yee-haw! I am so excited . . . :)
Sweet
I have a question. Does this have the player's guide contained within it?
I'd be surprised if it didn't.
I have a question. Does this have the player's guide contained within it?I'd be surprised if it didn't.
I'd be surprised if it did. A player's guide doesn't belong into the AP itself, because the AP book is not for the players' grubby little paws. They're for the master only!
But I'm sure there will be an updated ROTRLAPPFRPGPG (OMGWTFBBQ!?!) in line with the kind of Player's Guides we get for current APs, i.e als a free PDF.
Preordered! June 2012 can't come fast enough!
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I know that it states that they stated they don't plan on doing this with other APs but it would be really awesome if they did this for at least the APs before the release of the PFRPG.Maybe if the RotRL Anniversary Edition sells like hotcakes...?
I don't own any APs, but I'm definitely going to get this one.
I could see Curse of the Crimson Throne getting a compilation if this one sells like mad, but not Second Darkness and Legacy of Fire. Neither of those are popular enough to really warrant it.
Though at 59.99 (or 50.99 with the subscriber discount!) I'd buy them. We all pretty much knew this book was coming out for at least a year now, but I had always thought it was going to be at a much higher price point, maybe even 99.99, so I am quite pleasantly surprised to see it so relatively low.
Maybe in three or four years we can be arguing about if Kingmaker will get a compilation as one last hurrah for PfRPG v1.
There are a set of RotRL minis coming out next year in combination with this, but I don't know how 'complete' it will be. I think the press release said there would be 60 different minis in the RotRL set.Maybe I'm just hopeful or have my references mixed up - but is there a complete mini set to go with this?
There is a complete Pathfinder Paper Minis Rise of the Runelords set (which will get updated to fit where needed). :D
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I know that it states that they stated they don't plan on doing this with other APs but it would be really awesome if they did this for at least the APs before the release of the PFRPG.
We have *no* plans to compile additional adventure paths. Keeping up sales (and especially subscriptions) of the Pathfinder Adventure Path line is crucial to our business, and if we were to make a habit of regularly compiling APs, many customers would be tempted to opt out of the ongoing series, choosing instead to wait for the compilations.
That would be, frankly, one of the worst possible things that could happen to Paizo.
I won't say we'll never ever compile another Adventure Path, but I will say it would take very very unusual circumstances for us to consider doing another one, no matter how well this one sells.
Let's please just enjoy that we have the opportunity to revisit Rise of the Runelords in this exceptional way, and leave it at that.
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I have a question. Does this have the player's guide contained within it?
We've yet to determine exactly how that will work.
(Note that if you compare the original RotR Player's Guide to the Player's Guides from more recent APs, you'll see that they've evolved quite a bit. Among other things, the RotR Player's Guide includes a bunch of general "intro to the campaign setting" information that we don't put in AP Player's Guides anymore. Odds are good that whatever we do with it, it won't just be a straight PFRPG update of the current material.)
This is great! I've always wanted to get this AP, but it's been unavailable (out of print/ difficult to get/ way overpriced) in its entirety where I'm from...
Query: The product description doesn't say either way, but will the religion articles (Desna and Lamashtu, right??) also be included in this compilation? Or are they one of the "campaign setting material that isn't directly used in the adventure itself" that are excluded.
Or has the final "what stays & what goes" not been finalised yet??
Thanks for the clarification.
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This is great! I've always wanted to get this AP, but it's been unavailable (out of print/ difficult to get/ way overpriced) in its entirety where I'm from...
Query: The product description doesn't say either way, but will the religion articles (Desna and Lamashtu, right??) also be included in this compilation? Or are they one of the "campaign setting material that isn't directly used in the adventure itself" that are excluded.
Or has the final "what stays & what goes" not been finalised yet??
Thanks for the clarification.
-- C.
The deity articles are not in this compilation.
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Yeah I understand the not wanting to loose subscribers but coming from someone who started their subscription at the end of SS and going back and buying all the CoT (Cause I got the first one as a present), it would be nice to be able to go and buy some of the pre-PFRPG ones updated. I planed on buying this one (and all the other APs) but all 6 together adds up to a lot of money that I don't really have, this is a much nicer option.
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As for the AP Player's Guide. It could always be a small booklet inset, kind of like how the maps where in the Shackled City compilation. Or it could just be a chapter at the very end of the book making it easier to keep an eye on where the players are looking.
Personally I am not a fan of PDFs and having the Players Guide in physical form would be great. And if there was a way to get other APs PG in book form (without having to print it out personally) I would defiantly fork out the money or do whatever else was needed.
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As for the AP Player's Guide. It could always be a small booklet inset, kind of like how the maps where in the Shackled City compilation. Or it could just be a chapter at the very end of the book making it easier to keep an eye on where the players are looking.
Personally I am not a fan of PDFs and having the Players Guide in physical form would be great. And if there was a way to get other APs PG in book form (without having to print it out personally) I would defiantly fork out the money or do whatever else was needed.
I seriouslydoubt that they will go back to this. sales were poor, and adding it into the print cycle means that it has to be tied up a lot earlier -it needs to be finished at the same time that the first issue is finished, rather than at the point were issue 3-4 is being finalised.
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Interesting. I own the original 6 volumes as well as the map folio for this - speaking of, I'd heavily recommend that this hardcover be shipped with the fold out maps of Varisia and Sandpoint. I found these to be two invaluable campaign resources, and these could be printed on opposed sides.
Couple of questions...
1. How much of the added content is material you have already published elsewhere? E.g. the write up of Xin-Shalast in Lost Cities of Golarion, the Sandpoint NPC gallery in Jade Regent #1, the web freebie on Thassilonian magic, and so on? I'm asking because I'm wondering whether - above and beyond this being a golden opportunity for people who missed getting the path the first time round - there's enough added value for older customers who own these materials already.
2. What's the estimated overall page count? Roughly in the vicinity of Shackled City hardcover?
Thanks.
Edit. Two afterthoughts. First, print copies of the Runelords Player's Guide are still available cheaply at many places online. Second, might be worth pointing out that possession of Bestiary 2 is a prerequisite to using the Runelords hardcover (or at least, that's what I assume, otherwise you couldn't have cut down on the bestiary entries).
I own the originals but I still want this just to save on conversion.
I really hope my AP subscription is still up when it ships as I want the PDF too, because I'm a collector, not because I routinely read PDFs.
I know they've said they won't put out any other compilations as it hurts their primary business model, but at least they have the option later. After Shackled City, there was talk about maybe one of the other Dungeon Magazine APs coming out as a book but Paizo lost the license with WotC. That's not the case here so they can change their minds and maybe publish a conversion of Curse of the Crimson Throne in 2018 if they feel like it then. They may say they're not doing it, but maybe they'll change their minds in five years, and it's their property to change their minds about.
Anyway, looking forward to the hardback of Rise of the Runelords.
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I own the originals but I still want this just to save on conversion.
I really hope my AP subscription is still up when it ships as I want the PDF too, because I'm a collector, not because I routinely read PDFs.
I know they've said they won't put out any other compilations as it hurts their primary business model, but at least they have the option later. After Shackled City, there was talk about maybe one of the other Dungeon Magazine APs coming out as a book but Paizo lost the license with WotC. That's not the case here so they can change their minds and maybe publish a conversion of Curse of the Crimson Throne in 2018 if they feel like it then. They may say they're not doing it, but maybe they'll change their minds in five years, and it's their property to change their minds about.
Anyway, looking forward to the hardback of Rise of the Runelords.
I would be VERY happy to see a collected CotCT hardcover.
Second Darkness, on the other hand...
I know what I would like for the PDF. Virtual Tapletop friendly maps. Maybe to complement Minis maps in the hardback.
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Seriously, guys, please stop asking for other compilations. It's not going to happen, and I don't want people who don't read carefully thinking it's likely to happen.
One of the main reasons for not doing this one is that just having the notion out there that we *might* do this for other APs is harmful. I'd really appreciate it if everybody would help squash that idea whenever and wherever it is raised.
This is a unique circumstance.
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Interesting. I own the original 6 volumes as well as the map folio for this - speaking of, I'd heavily recommend that this hardcover be shipped with the fold out maps of Varisia and Sandpoint. I found these to be two invaluable campaign resources, and these could be printed on opposed sides.
Not without raising the price, which we're not going to do. The original Map Folio is still in print, so those maps are readily available to those who want them.
Couple of questions...
1. How much of the added content is material you have already published elsewhere? E.g. the write up of Xin-Shalast in Lost Cities of Golarion, the Sandpoint NPC gallery in Jade Regent #1, the web freebie on Thassilonian magic, and so on? I'm asking because I'm wondering whether - above and beyond this being a golden opportunity for people who missed getting the path the first time round - there's enough added value for older customers who own these materials already.
Even when we cover material that has appeared elsewhere, we don't tend to just reprint it; we rewrite and often add to it. With the new encounters, new art, and changes made from years of playtesting, plus of course the updated mechanics, I think there's plenty of value here for owners of the original run.
2. What's the estimated overall page count? Roughly in the vicinity of Shackled City hardcover?
Just over 400 pages, same as Shackled City.
This is awesome :) Been waiting for this :) Miss the Gods reprint though and wish for the other, too ;) Or better yet a whole Varisia Package :)
Now that would be nice. A Varisia Hardcover...
Hm. What is this Rise of the Runelords, everybody is talking about? I do not understand all the babbling about it.
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Second, might be worth pointing out that possession of Bestiary 2 is a prerequisite to using the Runelords hardcover (or at least, that's what I assume, otherwise you couldn't have cut down on the bestiary entries).
Or you have to have access to Paizo's online PRD which contains all the monsters from Bestiary 1 & 2.
Hmmm...
Carrion Crown will take me from Feb 2011 to October 2011.
Jade Regent will (assuming 4 sessions per book) take us from October 2011 to April 2012.
Skulls and Shackles will take us from April 2012 to September 2012.
Yep. Seems to line up right. Add on the Rise of the Runelords minis, and I might be GMing this.
We have *no* plans to compile additional adventure paths. Keeping up sales (and especially subscriptions) of the Pathfinder Adventure Path line is crucial to our business, and if we were to make a habit of regularly compiling APs, many customers would be tempted to opt out of the ongoing series, choosing instead to wait for the compilations.
That would be, frankly, one of the worst possible things that could happen to Paizo.
I won't say we'll never ever compile another Adventure Path, but I will say it would take very very unusual circumstances for us to consider doing another one, no matter how well this one sells.
Let's please just enjoy that we have the opportunity to revisit Rise of the Runelords in this exceptional way, and leave it at that.
This makes sense; regular compilations would essentially represent Paizo shooting itself in the foot, which hopefully *none* of us want to happen.
Of course, that won't stop me from beginning to stash money under my mattress so that I can buy this little puppy!
Any idea what the pricing on the PDF will be at this point? If it follows the pricing for individual AP volumes, it will be somewhere around $40, but if it follows the pricing for hardcover volumes, it will be $10 [crosses fingers].
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Preordered!
I really can't wait for it, even I really think it's a great idea to release that adventure in Hardcover! I'm just kind of sad it will be the only one to have such a treatment, even if i do understand the point Vic made.
Anyway, great Idea! can't wait for it! Can't wait for all the great stuff Paizo is going to bring us next year! And i'd just like to say: Great Work guys we love you!
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I seriouslydoubt that they will go back to this. sales were poor, and adding it into the print cycle means that it has to be tied up a lot earlier -it needs to be finished at the same time that the first issue is finished, rather than at the point were issue 3-4 is being finalised.As for the AP Player's Guide. It could always be a small booklet inset, kind of like how the maps where in the Shackled City compilation. Or it could just be a chapter at the very end of the book making it easier to keep an eye on where the players are looking.
Personally I am not a fan of PDFs and having the Players Guide in physical form would be great. And if there was a way to get other APs PG in book form (without having to print it out personally) I would defiantly fork out the money or do whatever else was needed.
I never asked them to go back to printing them. I was saying that if there was a way to get them in print, even if it takes 2 years after the release of the AP.
Subscribers get a 30% discount on the cover price for AP's. The 15% is for other products. Seems like you used the 15% for your calculations. As a side note, most of that 30% is eaten up by shipping costs. The real advantage is the free pdf.Yeah I understand the not wanting to loose subscribers but coming from someone who started their subscription at the end of SS and going back and buying all the CoT (Cause I got the first one as a present), it would be nice to be able to go and buy some of the pre-PFRPG ones updated. I planed on buying this one (and all the other APs) but all 6 together adds up to a lot of money that I don't really have, this is a much nicer option.
Non Sub
119.94 -> 59.99
Saving 59.95 about 50%Sub
101.94 -> 50.99
Saving 50.95 about 50%
I know how much the discount is as a subscriber myself. And I didn't do any calculations, I just added the product to my cart. And as this is not part of the subscription you don't get the 30% anyways.
Seriously, guys, please stop asking for other compilations. It's not going to happen, and I don't want people who don't read carefully thinking it's likely to happen.
One of the main reasons for not doing this one is that just having the notion out there that we *might* do this for other APs is harmful. I'd really appreciate it if everybody would help squash that idea whenever and wherever it is raised.
This is a unique circumstance.
OK, didn't mean to step on your toes. I didn't know that it would be a problem to show that there was interest. And to be honest since it says specifically in the product description that
Our other adventure paths are largely still in print, and many of them were designed for use with the Pathfinder RPG to begin with; we have no plans to recompile them anytime soon.
If you have absolutely no plans to reprint them then you should remove this statement and state that you have no plans to reprint any. Cause stating in the description that it is a possibility is more harmful than a forum commentator stating that they would like it to happen.
Thank you Paizo for listening! So excited for this!
Econ Question for Vic Wertz. Would it be practical (and possibly cheaper for Paizo) to make a box set: The interior stuff could be the 6 AP modules, just with corrections from 3.5 to PF, almost no retypesetting needed. You could even go to a stapled not sewn/glued binding ilke the original red box set...
The problem is that the number of potential customers for that product would be significantly lower than for what they are doing. I've got RotR in paper, as do many, many people. There's a good possibility of me buying this regardless, because it's a single book, seamless compilation. What I'm saying is that the physical presentation matters to me as much as the content does. Six more AP paperbacks to stick on the shelf? Meh. One big tribute book, yes.
I'd pay extra for a signed hardcover, but I realize at least one of the authors is... MiA and frankly without his signature I wouldn't pay extra.
Point is the only reason this is happening is because it's a unique circumstance that hits a lot of market points. It's a chance to get something back into print that's had a lot of time to generate demand, it's a chance to update something to PFRPG rules, and it's a chance to celebrate with a special book. Remove any of those elements and you remove part of the market, reducing probable sales, likely negating the point in doing it in the first place.
Will any sections about Thassilonian magic and the Runelords be getting the cut?
Econ Question for Vic Wertz. Would it be practical (and possibly cheaper for Paizo) to make a box set: The interior stuff could be the 6 AP modules, just with corrections from 3.5 to PF, almost no retypesetting needed. You could even go to a stapled not sewn/glued binding ilke the original red box set...
I believe that Lisa or Vic (or both) have stated in the past that box sets are not cheap at all - that, while cool, there is no cost savings in producing such a product over a hardcover.
Econ Question for Vic Wertz. Would it be practical (and possibly cheaper for Paizo) to make a box set: The interior stuff could be the 6 AP modules, just with corrections from 3.5 to PF, almost no retypesetting needed.
You have to go through almost as many design/edit/proofread passes to do this as it will be to make a new product. Actually, more so as you have many more pages that need to be updated.
If you are wanting updates for older 3.5 modules to PF, a single update book might be a viable product. Something that just printed essential changes required, important NPCs. On the other hand, there are probably fan conversions already that cover most of this.
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Our other adventure paths are largely still in print, and many of them were designed for use with the Pathfinder RPG to begin with; we have no plans to recompile them anytime soon.If you have absolutely no plans to reprint them then you should remove this statement and state that you have no plans to reprint any. Cause stating in the description that it is a possibility is more harmful than a forum commentator stating that they would like it to happen.
Yeah! If you have no plans to reprint them you should remove the statement that says up-front that you have no plans to reprint them and instead replace it with a statement that says that you have no plans to reprint them.
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Yeah! If you have no plans to reprint them you should remove the statement that says up-front that you have no plans to reprint them and instead replace it with a statement that says that you have no plans to reprint them.Our other adventure paths are largely still in print, and many of them were designed for use with the Pathfinder RPG to begin with; we have no plans to recompile them anytime soon.If you have absolutely no plans to reprint them then you should remove this statement and state that you have no plans to reprint any. Cause stating in the description that it is a possibility is more harmful than a forum commentator stating that they would like it to happen.
If you actually read the statement it doesn't state that they have no plans to print them, it says they have no plans to print them right now. Where as Vic stated that they don't have plans to print them ever. Those are two very different things and I am sorry if you don't understand that.
Pretty sure it's a CYA statement, like the about getting a complete set of minis if you buy a case: in case of human error, if someone doesn't get a complete set, they can't come back to Paizo and say, "Hey, you lied to me!"
If the official wording says "We will never compile another AP," and then they end up updating, say, CotCT for their 15th or 20th anniversary, then people can say, "Hey, you lied to us! You said you weren't going to do that!" They don't want to commit to doing or not doing anything indefinitely.
Econ Question for Vic Wertz. Would it be practical (and possibly cheaper for Paizo) to make a box set: The interior stuff could be the 6 AP modules, just with corrections from 3.5 to PF, almost no retypesetting needed. You could even go to a stapled not sewn/glued binding ilke the original red box set...I believe that Lisa or Vic (or both) have stated in the past that box sets are not cheap at all - that, while cool, there is no cost savings in producing such a product over a hardcover.
Another problem with boxed sets is that they often don't fit into bookshelves. A minor inconvenience for many of us but much more of a hassle for book stores. I might remember things incorrectly, but I think someone wrote that some stores won't even sell boxed sets as a result, and even if they do, they might have to put them somewhere else instead of right next to the rest of the product range.
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Pretty sure it's a CYA statement, like the about getting a complete set of minis if you buy a case: in case of human error, if someone doesn't get a complete set, they can't come back to Paizo and say, "Hey, you lied to me!"
If the official wording says "We will never compile another AP," and then they end up updating, say, CotCT for their 15th or 20th anniversary, then people can say, "Hey, you lied to us! You said you weren't going to do that!" They don't want to commit to doing or not doing anything indefinitely.
Pretty much that. Saying "never" is never a good idea...