Phillip Gastone wrote:
Thanks for all the reviews. I've been following the pre-release hype and internet reaction videos closely. A few thoughts:
(1) The marketing campaign was ham-fisted. As a 40-something white male I did start to wonder, does Marvel want me to see this movie? As it is, offered to take my daughter to it yesterday but she opted for How to train your Dragon.
(2). The Quartering, well, I've watched some of his videos. He makes some valid points, but, the best phrase I can come up is that he has an "uncouth" presentation style, which when you want to agree with something he says, you cringe instead because he crosses lines with sexist comments, racism etc.
(3) I never really cared about movie reviews, other to note that most critics are idiots and make ridiculous points in order to stand out from the other "guy". I do agree with Brie that more women should review movies, if nothing else to get more alternative viewpoints.
(4) All that being said, Rotten Tomatoes has lost all credibility. Subject to manipulation beyond all hope of repair. Pre-release the site had a negative internet campaign impact influence want to see ratings. Post release pro-Captain Marvel bots jacking up ratings with positive reviews, with identical comments. I don't go to movies to get dragged into social justice issues, this movie has attracted the worst sort of attention from all sides of the peanut gallery.
I'll eventually see this, but probably on Netflix.
Just one question, did they retcon the Tessarct backstory? I thought Howard Stark found it in the ocean after world war 2 and presumably gave it to the US govt?
All your points are valid, but I also wouldn't discount the impact that Lucasfilm staffers are having in turning off core fans. I have a rabid fan since 1977, but my enthusiasm is fading very fast.
I think Lucasfilm would have been better off not responding to internet trolls, but instead they have attacked them at every turn. In doing so, they appear incapable of acknowledging some serious issues in their narrative design process.
For example, by killing off the legacy characters and removing all the plot setups for Rey et al that TFA established, it leaves me wondering, what emotional investment do I have in the next film. Not very much.
And to constantly read comments from Lucasfilm that because I didn't enjoy these movies I am the problem, being a 40 something white male, well, I start to wonder what the heck is going on. It's just a weird business approach.
Anyway, I know there is a large cohort like me out there who stayed loyal consumers because we loved the original franchise and let us remember our childhoods. But that nostalgia glow is gone now. And so expect more franchise fatigue as an entire audience cohort that in the past went to the movie six or seven times in the theatre, bought the DVD's etc. decides instead to watch Altered carbon on Netflix instead.
I just saw it as a number of friends gave it positive word of mouth. And I think it will need it as in my theatre of 340 seats there were only 8 people (on the first day of showing).
Anyway, it was good and I think one thing that benefited it was the lack of over exposure ahead of time. What I mean that every scene you saw in the trailers was actually in the movie (imagine that). Not necessarily in the spot you thought it would be, but that is fine. That is what puts this movie well ahead of Rogue One for me. I still dislike being prepped for a movie and things i expected to see never show up.
It goes without saying that this feels like a more coherent film to me than TLJ or TFA, which is amazing considering the change in directors and all the drama associated. I especially liked all the "non-canon" EU references which I guess are canon again. In that sense it feels more tied to the SW universe I know.
I can harp on small details,(like did Corellia make Victory class Star Destoyers?), but overall this movie actually entertained me much more than I expected.
I went in there exactly knowing it would be a brutal ending, and that Thano's would win, cause, in the comics, for the first part he does win. Almost effortlessly. So I concentrated my enjoyment on the Visuals and the humour.
The next movie, however, I really have no idea..that is an awesome state to be in, can't wait to see how it all plays out. I will definitely be avoiding the internet when it comes out next year, do not want to be spoiled even in the slightest.
Ok, I saw it, and totally not happy with the way the Russo brothers threw away ten years of movie canon..
I especially hate the way Starlord Weaponized hyperspace to destroy Thano's ship..
Um..hold that thought,,crossed wires..
It was a great movie. As someone old enough to have brought the Infinity guantlet issues when they first came out, its always been my favorite marvel Story (followed by secret wars and then Days of Future past).
They told it as well as anyone could have. I loved the fight scenes, especially all the ones with Thor in it. The onlydowner is knowing the story, I knew how this movie will end. Do I know how part 2 will finish, not really, so if anything the ending made me really want to see the next part.
Good job Russo Brothers!
That was hilarious, and also very painful, because yeah, the changes were so obvious.
and Rian Johnson would have won over so many of his detractors if when weaponizing hyperspace he used Ackbar using instead of some no history new officer. Even though telling Hux "Its a trap!!!!" would have been silly on a monumental scale, for this film it would have worked.
I have to admit, I can see a lot of gamer types I know using that one.
Kevin Mack wrote:
Just saw it. Honestly expected to hate it from what had been going on online so pleasently suprised that I quite like the movie
That's the thing, I don't hate the movie. It was fun to watch. But I don't love the movie. I desperately wanted to love the movie.
One thing I realized, there are no quotable lines in this movie for me. Maybe if I saw it again a few times something might stick, but for now i draw a blank.
For example, for the last 30 years, anytime someone has told me something is impossible, I have to bite my tongue not to say"it's not impossible. I used to bulls-eye womprats in my T-16 back home and they aren't much bigger than two meters".
hell, even attack of the clones is quotable, in the so bad its good category.
I doubt I will ever quote anything from the Last Jedi. Maybe forget the past, kill it if you have to, if only because that line is so germane to this entire discussion.
Someone finally mentioned the Maz scene. I really tried to forget that part of the movie. It just didn't work..I'm not sure if Rian was trying to be comedic there, but it fell flat on its face, and comedy wasn't required there in any case. Could/Should have just been a sub space voice message save a minute or two of run time for some better dialog somewhere else.
I've been after the fact nitpicking this movie, but that scene in particular, more so than anything else in the movie (yes, even Leia's Mary Poppins act), really struck me as stupid just as I watched it.
It's kinda funny, I have watched the Force Awakens about 10 times, and my reaction is always the same. I love the visuals, enjoyed the rapport between Finn and Poe, laugh that Greg Gunberg is in it..(every time I see him the same line pops into my head..what am I thinking now Parkman?"), somewhat irritated at the close plot match for a new hope but lastly really frustrated at this vague feeling its missing something the original trilogy had.
So for two years I ascribed it to JJ Abrams screwing around with editting, and it would have been a more complete movie with a directors cut etc. Ultimately, I said well, hopefully the Last Jedi is better and feel like this is going to be the case because all the rumour mill stuff pre-release is good, and I disregard Mark Hammil questioning the directors vision, afterall he went along and everyone saying its the best performance Mark has done etc.
And then Ryan gets his 3 film deal and I am thinking awesome, he must have really hit it out of the park.
And then the official critic reviews are glowing. So going into opening weekend saying great, this is going to kick Abrams butt and show what a true star wars film should be.
But then, early audience reviews come out and about 50% hate it. I am saying what the hell? Even my friends are divided. So I go into it forewarned ..
Ultimately, it was fine for a 2.5 hour afternoon space opera flick, but it did not wash away my force awakens distaste. It added to it. I think it ultimately comes down to the fact that there is no clear plan here.
What I feel like here is exactly like watching the hobbit movies..hoping the second or third movies make up for the sub par first but problems persist and amplify. They are pale shadows of the LOTR.
Out of the 3 Disney Star Wars movies, I like Rogue One the best. I really didn't expect that to be the case 3 years ago.
This is the kinda issue that really undermines my enjoyment of the movie. If I was a causal movie goer probably couldn't care less, but this is the crux, an imperial star destroyer was supposed to carry 72 fighters. These first order behemoths one would assume carry as many or more..during Poe's and Finns escape in TFW we see one bay held at least a dozen. So with all those capital ships chasing the rebels, why would you send out just a small number? You should have several hundred to spare..and when did the empire ever care about Tie losses? Is there a supply constraint we are not made aware of?
I am sure some smart ass is now going to chime in about how the original Death Star had thousands and only sent out 6 and then another 3..So yeah, you got me..but as the Wolf states, the small number they sent out in TLJ are effective, so the whole plot line that follows makes no sense.
I enjoyed this movie and hope for more of the story. I find it ironic that the critics had a major hate on for this but gave Last Jedi demigod status. I know there are reports that the writer has been a major douche bag in his personal affairs but taking that out of the equation, the story, while it has issues, is serviceable.
That's a great explanation. I would fully endorse it. And if they just thought to put a few lines of dialog into the movie with some snotnose Wesley crusher type coming up with that, it would have greatly enhanced the movie.
I seriously think most of the posters on Paizo could craft better scripts than the crap that Hollywood churns out.
Freehold DM wrote:
Haters gonna hate.
The only thing I really hate is sand. It coarse and rough and gets everywhere.
I actually came out of the theater thinking it was entertaining. If I had been part of an exit poll I would have given it an 75%. And to be fair, if given one now would still give it a 70%.
I just feel there was a lot of wasted potential.
I felt the same way about Force awakens, and slightly the same way about rogue one. However, repeated viewings of Rogue One make me enjoy it more. The only thing really missing from the last half of that movie is more Y-wing action.
I'm not going to hate on (much) for the Last Jedi, I do respect what the director tried to do. But I just don't think the execution was done well. Someone here said the scenes feel like they were done by committee. That I think is the feeling I get.
Director has a great idea, tosses it to Disney Film, they stew around with it, make some modifications. Done. Director has another idea, tosses it to Disney. Rinse and repeat. Glue all these ideas on to the central idea that this movie has to be the rebels on the run. Done. Its shiny, has some funny bits, every character gets some time.
What you have then is a high quality space romp.
But the problem is, to me, it just feels disjointed. By trying to go new directions and throw in lots of twists, the movie loses the coherence of the narrative arc. Too many loose threads left dangling or abruptly waved off.
I could go on. All I can say this is like finding a restaurant years ago that makes something awesome, and you went there a few times and your particular favorite dish was always good, with varying degrees of success. You come back to the restaurants a few decades later and its still around, and the item is still on the menu, you of course order it, and while it sorta looks the same, the taste is off. It's still worth eating since you paid for it, but its not worth driving across town to eat at repeatedly.
So, won't buying the DVD for this one, and likely will ignore the hype for future SW movies. Unless screenplay by Timothy Zahn.
baron arem heshvaun wrote:
So the designated survivor and new Chancellor of the Republic was the Deputy minister of Sanitation? Are there rumours Keifer Sutherland was in this film?
being a Thor fan I didn't mind stealing from Hulk. Enjoyed it much more than the first two films, not for the humour, which went dangerously close at times to ruining the suspension of disbelief, but liked the characters more. In my opinion, this was one of Jeff Goldblums best performances..he stole every scene he was in.
I hadn't read a Thor comic since 1986 but I still remembered who Donald Blake was. Couldn't have told you what hawkeyes real name was, would have struggled knowing who Hank Pym was..
but yeah, loved my Thor.
I think if you grew up in the 70's and 80's, for individual comic runs spidey, Thor and maybe Hulk were the three best Marvel seller.s
Then again, what do I know, I let my mom sell my comic while I was at university and all I was left with was Micronaughts and the odd Rom spaceknight issue.
The thing that gets me is that in the books, Cersei is portrayed as a reactionary fool. Varys kills off Kevan because he was preventing Cersei from making stupid decisions.
Not a big fan of the retrofit for the TV show. They had to do it to provide some drama, but really at this point westros shoudl have been a cakewalk for Dany if she choose a pure aggression stance.