The Godsrain Prophecies Part Ten

Wednesday, April 10, 2024

Despite my apprehension at reading about the deaths of so many of Golarion’s gods and my continuing belief that these Godsrain Prophecies cannot be taken at their word, I still feel a bit wistful about reaching the end of my analysis. While it is certainly possible that there are other prophecies in this vein, this is the last that I will read before delivering the collection to my Lady.

I am not sure why I feel so hesitant to put this work aside. Of course, there is something satisfying about feeling like you are a part of important research, even if the experience of it is less than pleasant. (I think here of those who have documented the beliefs of faiths that are somewhat more difficult to understand, as in To Scream Is Divine: My Year at a Nidalese Temple and its somewhat more uneven follow-up, Kuthite Lullabies.) Beyond that, though, I believe I will miss the gods themselves—or at least the insights into them that these texts have given me, even when I don’t believe a word that I am reading.

After reviewing the entirety of the Godsrain Prophecies, I am confident in one thing and one thing only: that the author has been made privy, whether through prophecy or otherwise, to the fact that one of Golarion’s gods will die. The preoccupation with the subject of a dead god, accuracy of some of the smaller details, and feeling of anticipation throughout are compelling evidence in favor of my theory. With all the contradictions and confusions in the text, though, I do not believe that the author knows which god, how they die, or why.

Unfortunately, this is where my certainty ends, as there are several different reasons why the author may have taken this information and used it to create the prophecies. It is possible that they feared what might happen and wrote these prophecies as a warning, attempting to prevent the dangers they dreamed up. It is also possible that they hope the death will be a destabilizing event, and that they intended for these prophecies to weaken faith and trust in the gods, making them easier to abandon in the aftermath of a catastrophe. There is no way to know, as I will admit to my Lady; I hope that in her wisdom, she can discern the truth.

If nothing else, as with all futures, only time will tell.

–Yivali




The “Death” of Rovagug

The chant starts as a whisper—an idle piece of pillow talk on nights Sarenrae cannot sleep, her fingertips gone marching on the canvas that is Shelyn’s back, her hands casting surging shadows onto Desna’s resting arm. She weaves a tale of how to win the battle that she hungers for, imagining alliances that span across the Great Beyond and speaking life to victory until the passion of her dream becomes a shared ambition. All three lovers make mention of it, idly, to those who share their interests, pitched in a tone and timbre meant to echo in the listener’s chest. The message drums with nostalgia tinged with rage and thirst for justice long delayed, and it is passed along from ear to ear until it finally circles back, a call to action with the deadly urgency of war.

Imprisonment is not enough. Rovagug must die.

There are more gods now than there were when Rovagug was sealed away, and many sign up for the quest to kill the Great Destroyer, to stand alongside Abadar and Gozreh and Calistria. Some do so to show their mettle, some to gather bragging rights, and some to reassure themselves that if there is something to gain, they won’t leave empty-handed. Sarenrae worries, privately, that many do not understand the danger they’ve signed up for, but she takes the names and notes the skills and hands the roles out all the same—rear guard to those who fear but fight, support for those who dwell in hope, melee for those who want to feel the blood beneath their fingers.

At first, it seems too easy. Asmodeus unlocks the seal that leads into the Dead Vault and gods pour through in something like a line. Wrackworms turn from feasting on the Rough Beast’s flesh to face them, but fall to sword and spell and scythe as if they were an afterthought, slicking the ground around themselves with remnants of their dying. After the cheers and murmurs fade, a gnawing silence fills the air, thick and dank and hungry, and for a moment, no one moves, a huddled mass of godhood waiting for something to happen.

Then Rovagug is everywhere—suddenly, impossibly. Rending, clawing, tearing open, shoveling exalted flesh into his waiting mouths. Apsu’s wing is torn asunder. Hei Feng’s feathers fall like rain. Grandmother Spider holds her own, her arms a whirling blur of blades, but watches as Thamir falls still, body crushed beneath a claw, and Hanspur drowns a second time, awash in his own blood. But Rovagug, despite his power, cannot overcome them all, and soon the tide of battle changes, rattling the prison’s walls as gods press their advantages, slamming his body side to side—an endless, rhythmic dying.

With each impact on the Dead Vault’s walls, Golarion is shaken. Buildings tumble into streets. Rivers shift to find new banks. Old trees flatten forests. Volcanoes long thought dormant, from Taldor to the Five Kings Mountains, spit dense ash into the sky, blanketing the life around them and blocking out the sun. The Eye of Abendego expands twofold, turning the Mwangi Expanse into newly Sodden Lands. When Rovagug is finally still, Sarenrae standing by his head with her arms held high in victory, the gods emerge from the Dead Vault to find a world that thinks the end has come.

After all the dead are mourned, no one agrees on what comes next. The aftermath grows tense and bitter, victory turned vicious. With Rovagug no threat to them, godly alliances feel heavier, a burden to be shrugged off or set down and ignored. How to rebuild a ruined land becomes the stuff of smaller wars—Abadar feuds with Erastil, Irori shuns Iomedae, Sarenrae feels the weight of blame hurled at her from every corner, and Norgorber sides with anyone who might advance his cause. But while they bicker here and now, the gods may yet unite again, as deep in Avistani soil, disturbed by distant tremors, the worst of Rovagug’s spawn have felt their prison falter and ready for destruction that would make their sire proud.

An array of 20 portraits depicting the gods of the Pathfinder setting. Asmodeus, Cayden Cailean, Desna, Erastil, Irori, Nethys, Pharasma, Rovagug, Urgathoa, and Zon-Kuthon’s portraits have been marked “safe.”

While imprisoned, Rovagug maintains the peace between the gods, but in his absence, what prevents war between the immortals?





That is certainly one way to end things. If I am being honest, the idea of Rovagug trapped within the bowels of Golarion has always made me a bit nervous, but it seems it may be better than the alternative! Which gives me one final idea as to why these prophecies exist—perhaps they argue against change and tell those who read them that, even for those gods whom you might fear or hate, the status quo is better than anything new that you might long for—a desperate version of a wish that, no matter what they have seen coming, it would be best for things to continue as they are. Sadly for the author, change, I believe, is inevitable. I hope only that we are ready and that we meet it, heads held high and wings outstretched, however and whenever it comes.


Don’t miss our exciting livestream on Tuesday, April 16 at 4:00 PM Pacific at twitch.tv/officialpaizo, where members of the Pathfinder team will announce who among the remaining deities is the unfortunate victim presaged in these prophecies. In addition to revealing which major deity is going to die in the War of Immortals event, we’ll also lay out the entire slate of War of Immortals tie-in products coming in the second half of 2024. Make your final predictions and join us in just under a week.

About the Author

Erin Roberts has been thrilled to be able to contribute a few small threads to the fabric of Golarion in the pages of books like Lost Omens Firebrands, Lost Omens Highhelm, and Lost Omens Travel Guide. In addition to her work for Paizo, she freelances across the TTRPG world (and was selected as a Diana Jones Award Emerging Designer Program Winner in 2023), has had fiction published in magazines including Asimov’s, Clarkesworld, and The Dark, and talks about writing every week on the Writing Excuses podcast. Catch up with her latest at linktr.ee/erinroberts.

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Calliope5431 wrote:
Nintendogeek01 wrote:
YES IT'S NOT SHELYN!!!

My hats remain safe.

Gorum is just so...generic.

It does sort of feel sort of like a "not with a bang but a whimper" sort of situation, and I mean that with the utmost respect for people who like Gorum.

He's just NOT that interesting of a choice.

Not sure how I feel about it. Not sure what ramifications could be happening following the death of A god of war. War existed long before Gorum came to be. Unless he was protecting something dangerous...I just don,t see what kind of impacts his death could create.


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Nintendogeek01 wrote:
YES IT'S NOT SHELYN!!!

I stopped worrying about her when Zonny-boy was marked safe.


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Cole Deschain wrote:
Nintendogeek01 wrote:
YES IT'S NOT SHELYN!!!
I stopped worrying about her when Zonny-boy was marked safe.

I started worrying about her when he was marked safe lol.

Gorum's definitely the safest option from a PR perspective they could have gone with.


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Calliope5431 wrote:
Nintendogeek01 wrote:
YES IT'S NOT SHELYN!!!

My hats remain safe.

Gorum is just so...generic.

It does sort of feel sort of like a "not with a bang but a whimper" sort of situation, and I mean that with the utmost respect for people who like Gorum.

He's just NOT that interesting of a choice.

Note that with Szuriel evidently involved in the plotline, Gorum becomes a solid choice... because the Rider of War might want a bit more influence over her namesake.

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I'm...relieved and saddened by the news.

The death of a war god kicking off the ultimate divine war has a certain poeticness to it. And given Szuriel is apparently going to be on the cover of War of Immortals I imagine we already know the killer.

My beloved Iomedae is safe, and I couldn't be more relieved about that. But we're gonna lose Sturovenen the Dragoneagle! He was one of my favorite Sarkorian gods back when they were first revealed, and I was so glad to see his true deific status confirmed (Back in 1e, he only was mentioned through his "dawn-feathered children" being Summoner Eidolons, and the general vibe about Sarkorian Godcallers was that they were at best greatly overestimating the strength and power of their "gods" and at worst being actively conned by these fraudulent "gods, but with 2e and the revelation of actual cleric options for these gods proved they WERE legit all along).

And I'm of course relieved that all three members of the Prismatic Ray are safe.


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Gorum's Anathema are a little disruptive to playing with a party, so I'm content to see him gone - but honestly, his blood and broken armor being the source of all these Exemplars and their little relics is really perfect. Szuriel seemingly being the one to do the dead fits as War bests War; I know the Horsemen fans have been waiting ages for this.

I'm very content. Still hoping Iomedae loses that arm, though.


I'm relieved Gorum would be the one, because he felt the least disruptive to die for players and overall lore compatibility between Pathfinder and Starfinder. At the same time, I fear he might have been too easy a choice, as I don't feel he would be missed as much.


This was like, third on my list of worst possible choices, but I suppose we'll see how Paizo handles it.


keftiu wrote:

Gorum's Anathema are a little disruptive to playing with a party, so I'm content to see him gone - but honestly, his blood and broken armor being the source of all these Exemplars and their little relics is really perfect. Szuriel seemingly being the one to do the dead fits as War bests War; I know the Horsemen fans have been waiting ages for this.

I'm very content. Still hoping Iomedae loses that arm, though.

Oh I'd be thrilled to bits about that. Szuriel is easily one of the best Horsemen, and the Horsemen have never gotten an AP in the sun...


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Hm, feels a little bit like the easy answer out of a sticky situation, was hoping for something a bit more impactful, like Shelyn or Sarenrae.
Ah well, we'll see how things shake out, really.


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R.I.W Gorum. We raise our greatswords to you!

I've been playing pathfinder since 2010. It's sad to see any of them go really.


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miath wrote:
Calliope5431 wrote:
Nintendogeek01 wrote:
YES IT'S NOT SHELYN!!!

My hats remain safe.

Gorum is just so...generic.

It does sort of feel sort of like a "not with a bang but a whimper" sort of situation, and I mean that with the utmost respect for people who like Gorum.

He's just NOT that interesting of a choice.

Not sure how I feel about it. Not sure what ramifications could be happening following the death of A god of war. War existed long before Gorum came to be. Unless he was protecting something dangerous...I just don,t see what kind of impacts his death could create.

Well from how they were describing it… a literal kind.

Seems like the Orcs are getting hit fairly hard by the Godsrain


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I am beyond relieved Iomedae and Sarenrae are going to live to see another day, perhaps not unchanged but, alive non-the-less, I have a deep soft spot for both of them.


VerBeeker wrote:
miath wrote:
Calliope5431 wrote:
Nintendogeek01 wrote:
YES IT'S NOT SHELYN!!!

My hats remain safe.

Gorum is just so...generic.

It does sort of feel sort of like a "not with a bang but a whimper" sort of situation, and I mean that with the utmost respect for people who like Gorum.

He's just NOT that interesting of a choice.

Not sure how I feel about it. Not sure what ramifications could be happening following the death of A god of war. War existed long before Gorum came to be. Unless he was protecting something dangerous...I just don,t see what kind of impacts his death could create.

Well from how they were describing it… a literal kind.

Seems like the Orcs are getting hit fairly hard by the Godsrain

Given how their AP is called Triumph of the Tusk, I don't think they'll be that plussed by the aftereffects.

They probably think whoever killed Gorum was a badass they can't wait to repay.


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As far as fallout goes, Gorum himself was at least nominally alined with the forces of good when the battlelines would be drawn, keeping his realm in Elysium as he did. His death is a major power shift in favor of the forces of evil. And while he was certainly a warmonger, he did enforce a certain code of conduct that limited some of the worst excesses of war. If Szuriel, or any feind really, makes a play for his position, conflict on Golarion will get a lot nastier.


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We never knew if Gorum had his stronghold in Elysium because he was nominally aligned with the forces of Good, or because he used it as a forward beachhead into enemy territory.


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Gorum doesn't have to be much of a good guy to still not be nasty enough for beings thriving on the worst aspects of war (which is, for the record, a pretty godawful business no matter how you slice it).

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Calliope5431 wrote:
Cole Deschain wrote:
Nintendogeek01 wrote:
YES IT'S NOT SHELYN!!!
I stopped worrying about her when Zonny-boy was marked safe.

I started worrying about her when he was marked safe lol.

Gorum's definitely the safest option from a PR perspective they could have gone with.

Even knowing that the two religious-themed iconics were theirs, I was worried about Sarenrae and Iomedae through the whole thing.

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Calliope5431 wrote:
Kittyburger wrote:
VerBeeker wrote:

And yet again I am surprised.

Two of my favored deities still have the guillotine hovering over their head and I’m growing increasingly nervous to see where it falls.

Seven of the ten remaining deities (Sarenrae, Torag, Iomedae, Shelyn, Abadar, Calistria, and Lamashtu) are big fan favorites. Of the 10 safe ones, we have the three major baddies (Asmodeus, Zonk, and Rovagug), three that it seems like most have something of a "meh" reaction to (Erastil, Irori, and Nethys) and four that I'd consider "fan favorites" (CC, Desna, Pharasma, and Urgathoa).

But what about Gorum! I'm so worried about Gorum!

(to all Gorum fans out there...if you exist: I jest, I jest, but he's a tad bland for my tastes. He, Gozreh, Abadar, and Norgorber are probably the safest of the remaining deities though. Re-enacting the global financial crisis of 2008 with the death of Abadar is a little too on the nose...)

As it turns out...

(though this does actually crystallize my plans for a Gorumite fighter who doesn't give a damn that their god is dead. "BLOOD FOR GORUM!" will still ring out across the plain regardless as they charge into battle time after time, weapons in hand as they go for a ride)


I got a bit worried over Iomadae toward the end, but I think, other than the beginning, I wasn't ever terribly worried for Sarenrae, not sure why.

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I really enjoyed Gorum and I will never get to play a Good Champion of him now.

But I realized it could definitely be him one month ago. So I had time to make my peace with it. I just hope he dies gloriously.

And yes, he was definitely the deity who was the most simple to slay for both RL and IC reasons.

We will remember you, our Lord in Iron. And we will keep on fighting.

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BTW, completely grasping at straws, I imagined Szuriel being involved just 3 days ago.

Maybe I should try my luck at the lottery.


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I'm bummed to see Gorum go. I really liked him.

Unlike other gods, he's neither one of the OG gods nor is he an ascended mortal. He was just the concept of war itself achieving divinity from when orcs and humans first clashed in the age of darkness. His origin is simply unique.

Having the god of war be indifferent to sides in a war was cool too. Made him a perfect fit for the more mercenary minded while also avoiding having some favored faction of the god of war which would of felt kinda one sided.

He's also the god of Amiri and Oloch, two of my fave iconics. Outcasts from warrior cultures who like it LOUD! I find estranged family relations and codes of honor that don't mesh well with society relatable too. I wonder how they're handling Gorum's death?

He was a cool god with cool followers, no matter what anyone says. I'm gonna miss our lord in iron.


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Oh! Also, his pettiness about always being the tallest being in the room is kinda cute for a big grumpy war god.


The Raven Black wrote:

I really enjoyed Gorum and I will never get to play a Good Champion of him now.

But I realized it could definitely be him one month ago. So I had time to make my peace with it. I just hope he dies gloriously.

And yes, he was definitely the deity who was the most simple to slay for both RL and IC reasons.

We will remember you, our Lord in Iron. And we will keep on fighting.

You still may. For one thing, the events of the Godsrain are a few APs away, and some of those take place after Player Core 2 will be out. For another, I can't imagine Paizo would just invalidate everyone's PFS characters, so there will likely be some provision or explanation as to why you can still play a gorumite, at least for a while.

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I'm fine with this if Gorum's church's reaction isn't despair or "time to find new god" but "Time for glorious final battle!" as they become empowered by god giblets raining down


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Oh! Also, his pettiness about always being the tallest being in the room is kinda cute for a big grumpy war god.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall any day Balumbdar and Gorum have to be in the same room at the same time, or otherwise cross paths.


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CorvusMask wrote:
I'm fine with this if Gorum's church's reaction isn't despair or "time to find new god" but "Time for glorious final battle!" as they become empowered by god giblets raining down

I don't know. I think it would be okay if some Gorumites find the loss too great to bear. Certainly, a joining the righteous war to end all righteous wars would be the most fitting (and I mean, Aroden's church did that, too, at least those who were already within distance of the Worldwound), but it strikes me that Gorum's faith might have an inordinately high proportion of, "I have nothing and need nothing so long as I have a sword in my hand and Gorum to witness the glory of my next victory."

Losing something when you through you had nothing else to lose might fairly cause some BSoD, is what I'm saying--even if the general reaction of his followers is as you say.


Perpdepog wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:

I really enjoyed Gorum and I will never get to play a Good Champion of him now.

But I realized it could definitely be him one month ago. So I had time to make my peace with it. I just hope he dies gloriously.

And yes, he was definitely the deity who was the most simple to slay for both RL and IC reasons.

We will remember you, our Lord in Iron. And we will keep on fighting.

You still may. For one thing, the events of the Godsrain are a few APs away, and some of those take place after Player Core 2 will be out. For another, I can't imagine Paizo would just invalidate everyone's PFS characters, so there will likely be some provision or explanation as to why you can still play a gorumite, at least for a while.

Agreed, and some GM's will still run AP's that take place before the events of Gorum's death. My Kingmaker players won't have to worry about that for 14 more in-game years for example, if they even take that long to meet the final boss. They are barely in the Spring of 4710. Good thing Amiri does not get her power from Gorum though.


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CorvusMask wrote:
I'm fine with this if Gorum's church's reaction isn't despair or "time to find new god" but "Time for glorious final battle!" as they become empowered by god giblets raining down

I don't know. I think it would be okay if some Gorumites find the loss too great to bear. Certainly, a joining the righteous war to end all righteous wars would be the most fitting (and I mean, Aroden's church did that, too, at least those who were already within distance of the Worldwound), but it strikes me that Gorum's faith might have an inordinately high proportion of, "I have nothing and need nothing so long as I have a sword in my hand and Gorum to witness the glory of my next victory."

Losing something when you through you had nothing else to lose might fairly cause some BSoD, is what I'm saying--even if the general reaction of his followers is as you say.

I'd be fine too - I'm just focusing on the operative word of "some."

I'd prefer the majority just going "BLOOD FOR GORUM! VENGEANCE FOR THE FALLEN GOD!" and simply charge in the direction of his murderers, probably with new deific backing, because while Gorum was a jerk he was their jerk.

And...actually, brainwave. Having lost everything it was possible to lose and then some, suddenly finding yourself lost utterly, knowing someone specifically took something you loved from you...

I think I know why Arazni suddenly has a lot more prominence.


Oh well Gorum we hardly knew thee. Hopefully whomever takes up the mantle of War God is worthy.

Just leaves Torag and Abadar as the ones I hope survive.

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Does Gorum have Psychopomps?
What happens to them when he dies?
Can they find another god to serve?
Do they have any power to continue to serve his cause?


CorvusMask wrote:
I'm fine with this if Gorum's church's reaction isn't despair or "time to find new god" but "Time for glorious final battle!" as they become empowered by god giblets raining down

This is how my PF1 Warpriest from when we played Kingmaker would handle it. He'd resign as General, go to the Eye of Dread, and fight undead hordes until either he dies, or Gorum is reborn. "Through battle was Gorum born; through battle shall he be reborn. GORUM WITNESS!"


I like that sounds very fantasy Space Marines. The Emperor I mean Gorum is dead long live Gorum.


You know… Gorum had a rivalry with Pharasma.

I wonder what her reaction is/will be when he appears before her, *if* he appears before her.

We know she judged Aroden, but was that the case because he was born mortal or is that just the way of things….


Squark wrote:
As far as fallout goes, Gorum himself was at least nominally alined with the forces of good when the battlelines would be drawn, keeping his realm in Elysium as he did. His death is a major power shift in favor of the forces of evil. And while he was certainly a warmonger, he did enforce a certain code of conduct that limited some of the worst excesses of war. If Szuriel, or any feind really, makes a play for his position, conflict on Golarion will get a lot nastier.

Kinda? Except that I'm pretty sure that Arazni's "I've got a little list, and it's full of evil people" is at least as good-aligned as Gorum was. "Not necessarily a *huge* amount, but certainly some."

Calliope5431 wrote:
Nintendogeek01 wrote:
YES IT'S NOT SHELYN!!!

My hats remain safe.

Gorum is just so...generic.

It does sort of feel sort of like a "not with a bang but a whimper" sort of situation, and I mean that with the utmost respect for people who like Gorum.

He's just NOT that interesting of a choice.

On the bright side, he makes the resulting divine ecosystem more interesting.

/*************/

Oh... but we'd heard that there was going to be some disruption in teh Prismatic Ray. None fo them died. ZK isn't dying. None of the other Core 20 are dying... but some of the other deities that aren't core 20 are dying.

Do we need to start worryign for Black Butterfly?

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Just because a god isn't killed as a result of the War of Immortals doesn't mean they won't be affected by it in some way...

The foreshadowed disruption to the Prismatic Ray could very easily occur simply due to character development, rather than character termination.

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Veltharis wrote:

Just because a god isn't killed as a result of the War of Immortals doesn't mean they won't be affected by it in some way...

The foreshadowed disruption to the Prismatic Ray could very easily occur simply due to character development, rather than character termination.

Maybe Arshea joins them and the divine polycule gets both more queer and more awesome.


Kittyburger wrote:
Veltharis wrote:

Just because a god isn't killed as a result of the War of Immortals doesn't mean they won't be affected by it in some way...

The foreshadowed disruption to the Prismatic Ray could very easily occur simply due to character development, rather than character termination.

Maybe Arshea joins them and the divine polycule gets both more queer and more awesome.

With Gorum dead, it's also possible Sarenrae ends up picking up some responsibility for war. This could cause strain in the mostly peaceful polycule.


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Kittyburger wrote:
Veltharis wrote:

Just because a god isn't killed as a result of the War of Immortals doesn't mean they won't be affected by it in some way...

The foreshadowed disruption to the Prismatic Ray could very easily occur simply due to character development, rather than character termination.

Maybe Arshea joins them and the divine polycule gets both more queer and more awesome.

I was thinking Mahja Firehair. Though Arshea would be awesome, and nothing says that both can't join...


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I'm not sure the Ray is going to be changing in a happy way.

But we'll see how this war shakes out.

As a fan of Black Butterfly, Ashava, Moloch, the Queens of Night, Tolc, Sun Wukong, Lao Shu Po, Tsukiyo, and Pulura, I'm a long way from reassured simply because Gorum's the core deity to get it in the neck. :P

I think the bad news is still in the mail, and that includes the tweaks to the various pantheons.

But at least my boy Yog-Sothoth is probably safe...


Cole Deschain wrote:

I'm not sure the Ray is going to be changing in a happy way.

But we'll see how this war shakes out.

As a fan of Black Butterfly, Ashava, Moloch, the Queens of Night, Tolc, Sun Wukong, Lao Shu Po, Tsukiyo, and Pulura, I'm a long way from reassured simply because Gorum's the core deity to get it in the neck. :P

I think the bad news is still in the mail, and that includes the tweaks to the various pantheons.

But at least my boy Yog-Sothoth is probably safe...

I'm not entirely sure Yog-Sothoth can die. Time needs to pass for something to end, and YS doesn't truck with any of that temporality nonsense.


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I'm not entirely sure Yog-Sothoth can die. Time needs to pass for something to end, and YS doesn't truck with any of that temporality nonsense.

I don't see any of the HPL crew taking lasting harm in this, whether past, present, and future are one in them or not...


One thing I'm curious about is if we're going to see portfolio shifting as a result of this shakeup.

Are some other gods going to take up aspects of Gorum's domains? Is the godsrain going to fundamentally alter surviving deities in other ways that might warp their perspectives and by extension their deific concerns?

Part of me is hoping that we'll see some big, interesting changes throughout the pantheon... though part of me is also equal parts worried/amused at the prospect of the deity sections of Core being out of date and incorrect only a few months after their publishing...

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Squiggit wrote:

One thing I'm curious about is if we're going to see portfolio shifting as a result of this shakeup.

Are some other gods going to take up aspects of Gorum's domains? Is the godsrain going to fundamentally alter surviving deities in other ways that might warp their perspectives and by extension their deific concerns?

Part of me is hoping that we'll see some big, interesting changes throughout the pantheon... though part of me is also equal parts worried/amused at the prospect of the deity sections of Core being out of date and incorrect only a few months after their publishing...

TBF, there's 40 AP (!!!) that all start during a time when he was still alive. That's a lot of oppurtunities to still play someone that gains power from him.


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You know… Gorum had a rivalry with Pharasma.

I wonder what her reaction is/will be when he appears before her, *if* he appears before her.

We know she judged Aroden, but was that the case because he was born mortal or is that just the way of things….

I think that is the way of things for all dead deities; the Mordant Spire supposedly formed out of the essence of Acavna's soul attempting to reach the Boneyard for judgement and Saloc, one of the psychopomp ushers, is noted as having some role in the judgement of deities. If that is the case, I hope see or at least hear about what happens with Gorum; it's got to be an interesting experience for a deity to find themself dead and being judged!


I think Pharasma's uniting theme is that she believes in and respects the dignity of all (non-undead) beings. So as much as Pharasma might have disliked Gorum in life, she would believe it essential to treat him with the dignity a fallen deity deserves.

Which is to say that this will likely be a private conversation that she won't tell anybody about. Pharasma, after all, has seen more Gods die than anyone since she saw a bunch of them die in the last universe too.

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