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This is an issue with more then just Avenger, it's just especially pronounced with Avenger.

The troubles in playing an Apsu Warcleric. (It's not a fist attack but Jaws, still same unarmed attack woes.)
-No Emblazon Armament line feats (requires weapon or shield)
-No Divine Weapon (requires, again, a weapon)
-No Sanctify Armament (again, weapon)

Or Spiritual Weapon, a spell I previously loved using, being pretty hard to use for an unarmed spellcaster. It changed from a club, a dagger, or deity's favoured weapon to "a weapon you're wielding or wearing"
So really, this issue is one I can commiserate on as well, 'tis certainly frustating to run up against.

I guess, to play Devil's Advocate here myself, the concern might be Fighter? Because of Fighter's many many many weapon feats can apply to unarmed attacks, then monk loses it's niche?
But on the other hand, Dueling Parry using unarmed Fighter sounds baller as hell. (Or would that be Twin Parry instead because 2 fists? Hm. Rules oddities to consider there.)

The one thing I'm still a bit on the fence about is the edict/anathema changes to Lamashtu, which rather than having gameplay implications like the others seems to kinda just... serve to make her less evil/objectionable?

I'm not entirely sure how to feel about that. I'll be curious to hear what my priest of Lamashtu PC feels about it.

I will point out that these edicts and anathema were already changed to be this way in PC1 when it released, and that it, for whatever reason, wasn't copied over into GMC!

Well there's the difference between killing in self-defense during a lethal fight vs. killing an unarmed and unconscious person. The first is not generally considered murder at all.

Legally, sure, that's a valid defence in most countries these days.

Anyways yeah, having a blast being the non-murder cleric. I will waste actions Stablilizing enemies if I can get away with it, and I will make it my entire party's problem.

I'm not sure if Talon of Godclaw is like different subpantheon under same order or same pantheon updated, but its dwarf worshippers recommending Urich and influx of orc recruits.

Seems to be a subpantheon/subgroup of the Godclaw order of Hellknights, I'll just quote directly from the book here, but.

Talons of the Godclaw embrace this new unity as they serve the Hellknights, using it to show how adherence and faith in ordered law can bridge gaps thought to be otherwise impassable. They still fully embrace their brethren who still follow the original pantheon of the Godclaw, which continues to empower its members just as strongly as before.

The Talons are also noted to be far more open then other Hellknights, that they try to connect with local and commonfolk and try and teach them the good of their mission. Some different edics, anathema, while still based from the same Citadel

The Wyrmkin domain now seems to be the Dragon domain, with massive changes to Draconic Barrage.
RIP my 10 scaly spell attack rolls, you will be missed.

Also, on the note of the Talons of the Godclaw, this seems to be a seperate pantheon to the Godclaw. It does mention the old one (which includes Torag) is still giving power to its followers.

It didn't mention spells because I felt like it was already getting a bit long quoting the full paragraph, but if you wish to split the hairs, then I will say that it DID mention spells and I just left that out.

Spells should be selected from the Playtest Rulebook and Pathfinder Player Core. While these options are available, we encourage players to try the new feats and spells from the Starfinder Playtest Core Rulebook to provide us with new data.

So, I'm not going to be a jerk or anything, but I'll just leave Paizo's official word from the first (non-table of contents) page of their playtest here for your perusal.

[snip]

I do agree, but also, there's a bit of interesting mixed messaging going on there, since the blog post about the playtest period mentions this instead.

Players should avoid using Pathfinder Second Edition ancestries, backgrounds, classes, equipment, and feats that aren’t explicitly included in the playtest.

So really, which is it in this current Playtest enviroment we find ourselves in?

I'm just still kinda confused by the initial talk of "early flight ancestries" only for Shirren to have to wait until level 9 for it, like they're PF Tengu.

That's the confusion, and the concern point for me.

Heavy can be more easily restricted, but then you're just punishing some builds more than others.

TBQH I think that's fine. I think that sometimes, in order for certain options to shine, others have to be made less favourable. Not an always thing, but certainly a sometimes thing, especially in modern/sci-fi settings.

Like your comment of special armoured business clothing. Why have that when the carbon skin or the Estrex suit is basically better. Sometimes, situational things are fine.

Anyways, back to topic at hand: Yes, I do think it's strange there's no AC augment. Would like one/combined one for it.

I can't think of a single scenario in this system where a character would actually rather wear nothing than have armor.

This might be my old cyberpunk brain talking but I really thing that in most social situations, it would be considered a faux pas to be fully armed and armoured, especially in "civilized" space, so to speak.

Good luck getting through security scanners wearing that Defiance series armor.

That's of course, not to say that you can't. I'm planning to run some for fun oneshots after getting through the basic playtest adventure. But those are just for fun for the group, of whatever b$#@+#~ insane ideas we can throw together.

Not things that we'll use to give feedback on the playtest for.

Conversely, I think it's actually important to try Pathfinder 2E characters in the Starfinder 2E playtest. If compatibility is the goal, it's important data to say that a Pathfinder class lags behind or runs ahead, or feels just right in the Starfinder setting. It's good to know if a ranger, a wizard, or a cleric, or really any other class can function side by side with the Starfinder classes.

But they specifically asked you not to, for Playtest purposes...

Or maybe their breakup happened during the Gap, so no one remembers and the goddesses in question don't want to talk about it.

Or maybe that relationship never really happened. Lots of things that happened in Pathfinder that never happened in Starfinder's universe, who's to say.

It's been said that Starfinder is A potential future for Pathfinder, not THE future.
Likewise, in that regard. Pathfinder is A potential past of Starfinder, not THE past.

“Unaware” is probably Undetected.

I would actually suggest that Unaware actually refers to Unnoticed, at least from my reading of the PF2e rules.

If a creature is undetected, that doesn't necessarily mean you're unaware of its presence... The unnoticed condition covers creatures you're unaware of.

Shortend the rule slightly for brevity and highlighting what I meant, especially with the last line.

I don't think the Prismatic Ray was ever an established thing in Starfinder, and that sure has some differences to Pathfinder's history.

On the note of Ancestry changes, why do the Winged Shirren only get full flight access at level 9, when I can just buy Ultralight Wings for pretty cheap at like, 2nd or 3rd level.

Perhaps drop that down to 5, to be more in line with that?

I do see a lot of ideas of Keen Recollection being replaced with a catch-all/universal Lore skill and that seems... I don't know, boring and antithetical to Investigator gameplay to me?

Part of the fun of Investigator was pinning down what Lore skill to use for Keen Recollection, so I could keep up with the Thaumaturge in the party (since the GM qualified that for reduced DC's.)
I know that might seem annoying to others, but that was really part of my core Investigator gameplay loop, and just saying "I roll Keen Recollection" seems so utterly boring instead.

Hm, feels a little bit like the easy answer out of a sticky situation, was hoping for something a bit more impactful, like Shelyn or Sarenrae.
Ah well, we'll see how things shake out, really.

I feel quite differently about those two feats. Continual Recovery was invented just so people would have a good feat to pick-- there was no one hour cool down in the playtest treat wounds. I also don't know what the cool down is supposed to represent in fiction, though whole Treat Wounds system is pretty bad for immersion. Continual Recovery is also mandatory.

I disagree quite heavily with Continual Recovery being mandatory, since I've played three full campaigns now without it ever being in play.

Seifter at one point mentioned it was added post-playtest to, and I quote, "to attempt to square the circle with a subset of the playtesters who wanted slower HP recovery who said they were OK with it overall if it was a bit slower."

AKA it was made an optional feat to make the system more palatable to people like me, who wanted slower HP recovery and for time to be bit more of a precious resource.

So, if I'm reading it correctly, Paladins are perfectly okay with lying now?

Well except for Paladins tied to gods that still have lying as their own Anathema, such as Erastil and Sarenrae, yes.

Like that change, makes it more based on the god then the type of Champion you are.

Praise be to the Lamashtu changes.
Thank you, Paizo.

Everything except the wizard school changes.
What can I say, I actually like the old Runelord. I might be tempted to switch once they bring out a decent Remaster Runelord, but up until then, no chance.