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Evan Tarlton wrote:

Sarenrae starting as an angel was from Asmodeus. The Windsong Testaments have her as one of the first nine gods. https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgzu

Gotta wonder if we are dealing with contradictory mythology here or just the fallen angel dude being an unreliable narrator.

My impression is that she may be one of the earliest examples of an Empyreal Lord who then achieved true godhood after Ihys died.

Saloc, The Minder of Immortals, is the psychopomp usher that handles dead gods and their cases in Pharasma's court.

Saloc is about to be VERY busy.

Veltharis wrote:

Just because a god isn't killed as a result of the War of Immortals doesn't mean they won't be affected by it in some way...

The foreshadowed disruption to the Prismatic Ray could very easily occur simply due to character development, rather than character termination.

Maybe Arshea joins them and the divine polycule gets both more queer and more awesome.

With Gorum dead, it's also possible Sarenrae ends up picking up some responsibility for war. This could cause strain in the mostly peaceful polycule.

Oh! Also, his pettiness about always being the tallest being in the room is kinda cute for a big grumpy war god.

I'm bummed to see Gorum go. I really liked him.

Unlike other gods, he's neither one of the OG gods nor is he an ascended mortal. He was just the concept of war itself achieving divinity from when orcs and humans first clashed in the age of darkness. His origin is simply unique.

Having the god of war be indifferent to sides in a war was cool too. Made him a perfect fit for the more mercenary minded while also avoiding having some favored faction of the god of war which would of felt kinda one sided.

He's also the god of Amiri and Oloch, two of my fave iconics. Outcasts from warrior cultures who like it LOUD! I find estranged family relations and codes of honor that don't mesh well with society relatable too. I wonder how they're handling Gorum's death?

He was a cool god with cool followers, no matter what anyone says. I'm gonna miss our lord in iron.

I'd love an Anarchist Champion now that we are fully divorcing from alignment.

As an anarchist, I approve.

I want it to be Abadar.

Fear it will be Iomedae.

Think it will be Gozreh.

Rovagug was never a good target to kill for PF2e... it is something that should happen with an edition change, when it is fine to invalidate all the old lore and books.

And even then, imo it would destroy one of the better storytelling conceits the writers of Golarion have when it comes to balancing the experience of humans in a world where real gods exist and have serious godly powers.

It was never going to be given the level of attention it needed to be given, so it is right that it didn't happen imo.

Idk, to me Rovagug seems no more threatening or relevant than your average redditor. All he can do is sit in his basement and seethe. A threat that will never be.

Vee8 wrote:

TriOmegaZero wrote:

Vee8 wrote:

I gotta say, Rovagug being marked safe really lowered my expectations for War of the Immortals.

With him alive, can it ever really be a war of the immortals?

What if the war sparks over the key being lost?

I don't think that would lead to war. Dramatic story hook sure but a war of the immortals? How can that happen with Rovagug still alive? It's brought up even in today's prophecy that such a thing won't happen on Golarion so long as he lives.

The fighting would have to take place elsewhere if at all.

That's assuming both sides are equally afraid of Rovagug getting out, which may very well not be the case. Some Outer Gods, like Yog-Sothoth, are expressly described as being beyond or outside space and time, and have survived multiple iterations of the cosmos breaking down and being reborn. One hangy deity is fairly small potatos compared to that.

I'd hope to avoid lovecraftian mythos stories. They're kind of a turn off. I get it. Proud independent tentacle nonsense thing is unbeatable and doesn't need no reality. I don't see the point in engaging with that.

Vee8 wrote:

TriOmegaZero wrote:

Vee8 wrote:

I gotta say, Rovagug being marked safe really lowered my expectations for War of the Immortals.

With him alive, can it ever really be a war of the immortals?

What if the war sparks over the key being lost?

I don't think that would lead to war. Dramatic story hook sure but a war of the immortals? How can that happen with Rovagug still alive? It's brought up even in today's prophecy that such a thing won't happen on Golarion so long as he lives.

The fighting would have to take place elsewhere if at all.

You'll DEFINITELY want to catch the stream is what I'll say here.

I will.

Vee8 wrote:

I gotta say, Rovagug being marked safe really lowered my expectations for War of the Immortals.

With him alive, can it ever really be a war of the immortals?

What if the war sparks over the key being lost?

I don't think that would lead to war. Dramatic story hook sure but a war of the immortals? How can that happen with Rovagug still alive? It's brought up even in today's prophecy that such a thing won't happen on Golarion so long as he lives.

The fighting would have to take place elsewhere if at all.

I gotta say, Rovagug being marked safe really lowered my expectations for War of the Immortals.

With him alive, can it ever really be a war of the immortals? Rovagug's death feels like a requirement for a war between gods to happen (this prophecy also hammers that point home too) and since he's safe, all I can really forsee is a cold war of the immortals at best and that doesn't seem nearly as fun or enticing.

Rovagug's death also would of put the end times into question, which would really put an exciting spin on things as it could make this event feel like the potential end times. Instead, it doesn't feel like much if anything will change regardless of who dies now.

I'm sure there's still an interesting story to be had here but idk if it's going to scratch that itch the announcement of this event gave me.

We'll just wait and see.

Vee8 wrote:

Anyone else think Groetus may be behind the prophecies?

He's a god with the void domain and is big on hopelessness and prophecies of the end times. He's also a sort of fundamental function of the universe so Yivali might be onto something there.

Moon Hags (or whatever they're called now) are also known for future sight iirc and they're associated with Groetus. Perhaps one of them wrote the prophecies?

That suggests that the idea that whatever is behind the prophecies is connected to the god that actually dies is a red herring given that Groetus's whole thing is "I will end it precisely when I am meant to", which is probably more terrifying than it ever being a lie.

...But I'm pretty sure it's a lie at this point because the extremely catastrophic results of most of these deities dying does not match the fact that most deities aren't fundamental anchors of reality and share their domains with many others. So, no.

I can see a moon hag doing it, though, because like many of followers of Groetus they miss the point and he doesn't care.

I'd be down for more Grandmother Spider content. I'd greatly prefer it over more Outer God/Great Old One silliness.

Anyone else think Groetus may be behind the prophecies?

He's a god with the void domain and is big on hopelessness and prophecies of the end times. He's also a sort of fundamental function of the universe so Yivali might be onto something there.

Moon Hags (or whatever they're called now) are also known for future sight iirc and they're associated with Groetus. Perhaps one of them wrote the prophecies?

The Pathfinder universe is unraveling into a multiverse of possibility.

I'm beginning to think these prophecies are all true.

At least...

In their own respective timelines.

I was under the impression that dealing with the dark tapestry was more Black Butterfly's job than Desna's.

Kinda sad we don't get a glimpse of Black Butterfly's reaction to Desna's death.

Nethys is without a doubt my favorite deity. Happy he's a survivor.

iirc, Urgathoa was the very first undead in the lore. The first to blasphemy against the natural cycle of life and death. As the first undead and undead god at that, a bunch of undead and diseases were also created following her ascension.

If this is true, then Urgathoa may be intrinsically tied to the underlying mechanics of undeath itself. Her dying could indeed change the rules of undeath. Without her effectively dictating what the very rules of undeath are through her very existence, some chaos is to be expected. This wouldn't necessarily undo undeath itself though so much as change it.

What I find more interesting about this prophecy is that it actually doesn't focus on Urgathoa at all. It's almost entirely about Arazni.

Between Yivali's comments on the weirdness of this prophecy focusing on Arazni and the meta knowledge of Arazni joining the core pantheon, I think it may be that Arazni is more powerful than even Arazni herself realizes.

There are fragments of truth in these prophecies I think. Arazni may be gifted as a potential god-slayer. Interesting if true, and the implications of such a gift in the future of the events to come make Arazni a god to keep a very close eye on.

Would be nice if the weight/chain end could be used at 5' to yea, would even make sense for the weapon as it could be used that way irl.

Of course, irl it was also used to disarm enemies as well with the chain, or at least entangle the weapon with the chain, but giving it all that utility might make the Kusarigama TOO good for the way Pathfinder/D&D combat is set up.

Okay...
So I guess this is how the Kusarigama is supposed to work...
The Sickle end functions the same as a Kama.
And the chain end is a reach weapon.
When used as a double weapon, you essentially need to divide your attacks between two targets.
The Kama attacks a target 5' away and the chain hits a target 10' away.
The chain end is also useful for attacks of opportunity at reach as well.

I think we're all mostly in agreement yea?

I don't think Kusarigama is the name of the specific magic weapon, in fact, the adventure has its specific name as Dancing Wasp, which is a +1 Kusarigama that can summon giant wasps by twirling the weapon above your own head >.>

Gonna get my hands on the other Jade Regent books, maybe one of them will hold more clarification in an enemy's statblock as to what the Kusarigama actually does XD

To further my confusion, in Jade Regent, the Yamabushi Tengu's statblock for the Kusarigama looks like this...

Melee +1 kusarigama +10/+5 (1d6+4/×3)

x3 Crit? Doesn't show that in the stats for the weapon itself. Also, where is the chain end? Just seems to have the sickle end.

Still waiting on word how the Kusarigama works...

2016

Looks like I joined the game a year too late. Not sure which lodge to join. The Lantern seemed interesting.

Seems I got into Pathfinder a year too late >.>

Would of really liked being part of the Lantern. Not sure what of the remaining lodges to join, none really stand out.

The bare midriff is sensible. The rest of the outfit... Not so much. It's got way too many parts, but that's a complaint I have with most of Reynold's artwork, so eh.

The story, on the other hand, is excellent. This sounds like a character I would have made!

His designs do seem to be more of separate armors cobbled together rather than single tailor made suits but I suppose it makes sense when you start getting loot that replaces bits of armor like boots of striding and springing or rust gauntlets and other such items that basically replace the mundane piece of armor the original suit came with.

Still, I would like to see someone rock a more uniformed appearance!

Vee8 wrote:

Seeing as she is a brawler, who likely does a fair bit of grappling, it makes sense she has a bare midriff. Does anyone realize how hard it would be to grapple with an armored up abdomen? Even leather would be too stiff.

Kess doesn't seem the type to care for looks, just practicality.

It's perfectly reasonable to grapple with flexible armor covering your abdomen. Jujutsu (a grappling art) started among the samurai, who wore armor, and was aimed at defeating other opponents who were also wearing armor.

Sambo was also developed to be used by soldiers in the Red Army, who would certainly have been wearing clothing.

This does not count grappling (and submission) techniques taught to police and military worldwide, who often wear heavy gear.

Certain moves are less effective in heavier gear. Others are just as effective.

If anything, the bulky gloves on her forearms would limit the ability to apply a number of joint locks effectively.

The gear was clearly designed for looks, not for practicality, which puts it in line with most of the gear I've seen from Paizo.

Jujutsu, Iajutsu and certain other fighting styles in techniques weren't used while armored and on the battlefield though. They were used in duels or in self defense while out and about where they would be wearing their robes, not their armor. Also, having been in the Navy, grappling in full gear was much more taxing than without it.

I'm still leaning in favor of the bare midriff. Though you do have about the bulk of her armor on her left arm. It's too much. The right one though is fine.

Chaotic Fighter wrote:

Ok I'll go ahead and say this. You try to duck and dodge correctly with an armored abdomen. As someone who fights frequently that would be dreadful.

So would getting a knife to the belly, you know, where you have bunches of really important organs.

I can see the argument. I don't see it as valid.

It's two different philosophies. Would you rather put trust in your armor to block the blade, or would you rather but trust in your own skill to evade the blade entirely. A brawler, given its AC bonus for being lightly to completely unarmored, follows the later.

Seeing as she is a brawler, who likely does a fair bit of grappling, it makes sense she has a bare midriff. Does anyone realize how hard it would be to grapple with an armored up abdomen? Even leather would be too stiff.

Kess doesn't seem the type to care for looks, just practicality.

Example of Good vs Good: During a drought, two farming families fight over a well that can only provide enough to save one of the family's livelihoods. Both families are good, neither deserve their fate, but only one can use the well if either are to survive.

Such a situation could very well lead to blows and even casualties, as who would sacrifice their own family so another's might live?

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