GM Kingslayer's Kingmaker Campaign

Game Master Divinitus

Hello everyone and welcome to the recruitment for my gestalt Kingmaker campaign!

Based on the number of replies and responses that were made during the interest check, I believe this adventure path needs no introduction. So, without further ado, here is the character creation guidelines!

CHARACTER CREATION

Level- Gestalt 1, with a caveat: One side of the gestalt may contain only ONE full class. This means that you may only multiclass on one side of the gestalt. You may, however, use parts of the non-multiclass portion for a prestige class, should you qualify for one. Obviously, this is only important after you get a few levels, but I felt the need to make it clear here.

HP- Maximum per level, based on HD.

Ability Scores- I will be using my usual 24 point buy, single point scaling method which I have used in my home games since I saw it in my early lurking days on these messageboards. Basically, each score is set to 10 and it only takes a single point to raise a stat by one. You may also, if you are needing a few points, may subtract up to -2 from a single score to gain that number of points that you can redistribute. No score may be above 18 or below 08 before racial modifiers. You may also 'buy off' a racial penalty to a stat by spending a respective number of points, such as paying 2 points to eliminate a Dwarf's CHA penalty.

Classes- All official Paizo classes are allowed with the understanding that 'techie stuff' is disallowed, so no Technomancers or similar things. Gunslingers and firearms are not considered tech for the purposes of this campaign, but they are exceedingly rare. Once the kingdom-building begins, you may hire a specialist to open a gun shop. Before that, you must make do with what you have and what you can craft.

*3PP Material- You may propose 3PP material as well. Assume that 3PP material is allowed unless it violates the sci-fi caveat above. Kingmaker is not a place for laser cannons or robots, even though they are super awesome in most other campaigns.

*Monster PCs- I will allow players to use monster classes, something that I will help them build, but I will ONLY allow two of these, maximum, with a strong leaning to only include one, should any even be submitted. That said, one of the people in my home campaign played an Ogrekin who the group rescued early on who became the Queen's crude and savage, but undyingly loyal, 'royal guard', so I know that an odd monster PC or two can be fairly cool.

Races- All official Paizo races on the SRD, apart from the androids and Lashunta, because of my no sci-fi rule. I require at least one Human character in the party, due to the patron which sends the PCs to claim the Stolen Lands.

Alignment: I would PREFER a group of non-evil PCs, because I'm already running 2 tables of Way of the Wicked. That said, I MIGHT allow one or two PCs with a murky morality, but no one who is blatantly a mustache-twirling, black cape wearing sociopath.

Feat- You gain a Bonus Feat at 1st level.

Skill Points- Running WotW in a home game and online, I have grown used to PCs having more skills. So you gain +2 Skill Points per level.

Traits: You start out with 2 Traits and a Campaign Trait. You may also reflavor Traits, so long as they make sense, and may take an additional Trait if you take a Drawback.

Starting Wealth- 500 GP, plus a single, non-magical, non-royal outfit of your choice, which must make sense with your character. You also have a free, nearly blank map of the Stolen Lands that just basically has it's borders, and small outskirts from other River Kingdoms. You also gain a bonus item based on your class. I will help you to determine what your class gains. To give some idea about what each class will get: in the case of Fighters and Rangers it is always a Masterwork weapon of whatever weapon they choose that they are proficient with (Firearms are excluded, if they somehow pick up said proficiency), whereas with Wizards it is 300 GP worth of unspecified spell components, and with Gunslingers, it is a free early firearm of their choice, along with 25 rounds of the sort used by the weapon. I hope that shows about what the 'class gifts' usually look like.

There are a few things in the campaign that I will want you know about before you even submit a character.

STUFF YOU SHOULD KNOW

1. I'm an easy-going GM that is not above houseruling some things against the RAW, if it makes sense. RAW states that you cannot jump and attack, combining the two into an aerial charge, but I do allow it. RAW says that most cold spells cannot freeze liquids, but I say that they can in most circumstances. If you have a cool idea for one of your character's actions, and could conceivably do it within the limits of your character's statistics and such by combining actions or using something on a situational basis, then propose the idea to me. The worst I could say is no.

2. I will have the hex maps, area maps, and combat maps up on Google Drive. While this requires you to create a Google account, unless you can get myself or another to move your token later on, I find it better to have a map that exists outside the theater of the mind.

3. There will be a separate thread for handling kingdom-building. My lurker-fu has shown me that threads who focus on kingdom-building in the main gameplay thread are asking for the game to shrivel up and die a death worse than a heightened Horrid Wilting can do. The kingdom-building thread will have a OOC discussion thread for the actual talks AND a gameplay thread, so players can roleplay out what happened with kingdom-building before their characters set out on their next adventure. I know this requires a little more investment than is usual in PBPs, but I don't want the campaign to die due to people getting bored with the talks and dropping.

4. PCs chosen will roll 50d20 so that I can handle secret rolls SECRETLY and not tip PC hats that something may be up. Obviously, do not worry about this unless you are chosen.

5. I am adding several cool bits from Legendary Games' 'Kingslayer' line meant to supplement this AP, as well as excising a few encounters that I felt were just there are filler (4 encounters, if that tells you how much quality there is in this campaign!). I am also adding foreshadowing that solves the 'I don't know who the BBEG is until book 6' problem that was the main criticism of this AP by most who have played it.

6. I will allow the PCs the opportunity to make a 'sidequest' or two into other areas of the River Kingdoms in between adventures, should you all decide to do so. These forays will have real, lasting effects on your kingdom, should you choose to undertake them, and can do things like open up new trade routes, grow your kingdom via annexation, provide PCs with some pretty boss gear, and, of course, provide some golden roleplay opportunities. These are completely optional, of course, and if PCs simply want to assign the tasks to some of their scrubs, they can certainly do so.

7. The group essentially has a free 'Super Leadership' feat in effect. The group's kingdom will be their followers and they can bring along one 'retainer NPC', who shall either be played by my girlfriend or I. Said retainer NPC is an NPC that they have met and befriended, or at least somehow convinced to join them, and can be switched out in between adventures.

8. I will be adding 50+ building types to those normally allowed in the Kingdom-building rules, because I am not fond of 'let's make a rough approximation of this with this' type stuff. I have most of the kingdom-building expansions from 3PPs, so there should be a plethora of options.

9. Later on in the campaign the PCs will, undoubtedly, come across special locations that I will just call Legendary Locations. These sites, if a city is built around them and utilize them, can provide VERY awesome effects both on the PCs and their kingdom. These locations will be few and far between, with around 4-5 being present in the campaign, but they will add a massive sense of accomplishment once they are captured, for they will show just how legendary the PC's exploits have been.

10. Kingdom-building will be a group endeavor. I will not allow one person to make all the decisions, king or no, unless they have been clearly delegated the authority to by the other PCs in that instance. I have seen it on the threads where the king pulled the 'I'm king in-game, so I decide everything OOC' schtick and promptly caused several people to drop the campaign.

11. Throughout the campaign, there will be some set events for the king to make a decision on, with OOC discussion of course. These events will help shape the kingdom in pretty profound ways that can have lasting impacts. For example, you could choose to allow a Halfling member of the Bellflower Network to establish a community for escaped Halfling slaves, which gives you a thriving, productive community. It could possibly make Cheliax a bit miffed at you, should they find out, but that's the sacrifice that you would make for an instant community that helps your kingdom in several ways.

12. I am also allowing for PCs to open up negotiations with other River Kingdoms and, via carrier birds or couriers, invite those from outside the River Kingdoms for negotiations. You are building a kingdom and, as such, I see no reason why not to allow the use of diplomacy to forge alliances.

13. I will alter encounters in hexes should PCs hit one of the hexes that is beyond their level or if they go to one that is below their level. This fixes another problem that the original books had.

14. I will allow the PCs options of, in the few areas in later books featuring mass combat, the option to allow me to use their army while they take out key lieutenants to weaken the enemy army. I am willing to do this because Mass Combat is a pretty complex system, even if you use the Legendary Games version, and the PCs are already going to have to know the kingdom-building rules later on. I don't want PCs to get frustrated and quit because of the multiple systems to learn.

15. Read the Kingmaker Player's Guide! Just do it if you have not done so already, because it contains a lot of useful information that you may wish to know.

Okay, I think that about covers it! Does anyone have any questions? This post took roughly 3 hours to create, due to me double-checking what I wanted to say and saying it in as clear a manner as possible, but I may have missed something. I'm only human, after all!

Hello.
Interested.
Also interested in building a race if possible
If not.
Zartana is my application. Shes from a KM that died
Sorc/fighter, going to arcane archer

Will post new stat block soon: have HeroLab, will gen

This guy. Don't even think I have to change anything thankfully. Maybe a few tweaks here and there but he was built with almost identically rules. Will double check though. And re-do items since I think 500 is more than I started with. Going for group face/scout/artillery.

Zartana- What sort of race?

"Owl"- I could see him fitting in quite nicely as a seneschal/royal assassin type character. I presume his background is tied to Rise of the Runelords though?
Edit- Never mind my question, I saw your OOC note.

Or, or, and let me finish...a werewolf. I have had an idea for a while now to play either an afflicted or natural werewolf that is trying to hide its monstrous side for obvious reasons. The River Kingdoms would provide the perfect place to start anew and hopefully establish a number of good deeds so that people's first reaction won't be to kill on site. If that works she might be even be able to build a kingdom where people like her can live in peace. Good monsters, other were-people, or just outcasts in general. I would not use the transformation for anything other than emergencies so for all intents and purposes I would be like any other character. The transformation is hard to pull off anyway. DC 16 CON check for animal and DC 20 for hybrid. Those will be tough to pull off on anything other than the night of a full moon.

Just got a new computer and I am setting it up for Pathfinder. I am looking into a human Mindchemist. Strong INT and DEX, comparable CHA, low STR CON. Will post character as soon as it is ready.

Zartana- What sort of race?

"Owl"- I could see him fitting in quite nicely as a seneschal/royal assassin type character. I presume his background is tied to Rise of the Runelords though?
Edit- Never mind my question, I saw your OOC note.

Yeah I try to make all my characters' backstories interesting but a little vague so they don't have to rely on any campaign setting and therefore fit into all of them.

"Owl"- Which would you prefer? And would you like me to turn Natural Werewolf into a two-level class for you, so that you basically get the template, but it eats up two levels on one side of the gestalt, one at first level and the other at second?

Gigar- What would your second class be?

second class? not familiar with gesalt rules, so I guess a rouge would fit him nicely.

Gestalt rules are fairly simple. You can search for them fairly easy on this site, due to the massive number of GMs and PCs favoring the method.

Rebuilt Zartana

GM will PM you my race idea, just want to know if i have a RP cap =^^=

Belay that, Ranger. First favored enemy will also be human as I am a bandit hunter.

That seems a fair compromise but Werewolf is only a +1 CR template so at most I would think it would eat up 1 level on one side. Its a tough choice. Both are archers but the werewolf is survival oriented. And I have really been trying to get Owl into a game. He is one of my favorite creations but to finally play a werewolf. I don't know yet.

"Owl"- Whoops! For some reason, I almost always mix up the Lycanthrope and Dread Lycanthrope templates. My mistake! But just think about which character you are most interested in playing. I know the struggle of choosing between two concepts that one has longed to play.

Forgot the campaign trait

Would a Scion of Humanity Aasimar be human enough for the required human? What about a Half Elf?

Got several ideas tied to the Brevoy Noble houses, just trying to figure out what would work for you.

Hmm. I think I'd like to make a Warlord, if Path of War stuff is okay.

Not quite sure what to put on the other side. I believe bard is the traditional thing to do here, but I don't know... I might even go for fighter, more feats are always nice.

I'll look through the charisma based classes, see if there's something I like.

If myself and another Orlovsky is picked, we can work on a back story together :)

Kaalik Coaltongue- Kobold Red Draconic Sorcerer/ Blackened Flame Oracle.

I'll have the details up later, but first a couple questions:

1. Any planned selection and start date?
2. Do you allow retraining?
3. According to your point buy, could I buy off the Kobold Strength penalty and then buy an 18 starting strength with a Kobold? (total of 12 point cost?)
4. What would be the class gift for an Oracle/Sorcerer? (Just curious)

Things Shi Asked/Posted in Recruitment Thread

If it's gestalt, would you be good with an unfettered eidelon as a character? This would be using the Eidelon table from the Summoner for the Eidelon half of the gestalt, and one or more classes for the other half of the gestalt.

In other words, half a class (Summoner without a caster or spellcasting) on one half, and a full class on the other half, of the gestalt.

Disclosure, also running King Maker.

The Dragon wrote:

Applying the gestalt to the eidolon itself? Huh. That's wierd. Never thought of that.

I originally played Shi as an Eidolon only, just using the Eidolon advancement table from Summoner class (although the GM allowed me to take a class level at 4, 8, 12, 16, and 20 where I wouldn't get a hit die normally). Was fun, and not overpowered (although some how people get the idea that half a class is more powerful than a whole class, mindboggle).

The Dragon wrote:

Hmm. It might be more powerful than fighter, actually. A single-class eidolon obviously isn't more powerful than a single-class summoner - that one has both eidolon and summoner abilities.
In gestalt though, it's an Eidolon//something vs a Summoner//something with an eidolon on the side. In this case, it's a little different. Obviously, the summoner has more stuff going on. That said, if want you want is raw fighting ability, you get a lot more of that out of the eidolon gestalt. You also might or might not get better stats.
More powerful overall? I honestly have no idea, I'd guess not, but it isn't a clear-cut case. It's wierd. That said, you could just have made a synthesist in the first place, and it's a definate step down from that, so you're probably in the clear.

Well, Summoner is kind of hard to ballpark, depending on how you build it it can be uber or sucky. Same with the Eidelon.

Considering I've spec'd Shi usually as a scout (Eidelon/Rogue), he's mostly good at stealth and perception. He does keep his natural attacks (so that's useful) but being small, he's at a disadvantage in melee. Add in all the issues with circles of protection from good, banishment, and etc... having to gate him back in if he dies, rather than resurrection...

Although I think as he progressed in levels his 'class' half gestalt would be variable (rogue first, then possibly cleric or warpriest for a few levels, just depends on how the game goes and what we need).

Quadruped, but buying two arms.

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Eventually flight and pounce, but starting off with +8 Stealth and +8 Disable device evolutions.

ah i wants to play! and i can do a spontaneous mystic theurge!

i know this character's build isn't finished, but he will be finished soon.

I've got a character idea that either needs a lot of work with the GN later on as the "side quest" or none at all. Should I PM you the details?

Is the ultimate intrigue playtest allowed?

Concerning monster PCs, let's say I wanted to play a fey, which of the following would be allowed: Kelpie, Sprite, Nymph, Nereid, Dryad, Norn, or Pixie?

I have an idea for a NG Inquisitor/shaman that worships both Erastil and Cayden Cailean. He will be all about building city parks and hosting festivals.

What are your feelings on the path of war classes? They are on the srd.

I think I will submit a Gunslinger(musket master)/Inquisitor(preacher) with conversion inquisition. A noble born from Medvyed. Follower of Abadar trying to bring law into the lawless lands of the south. I imagine him taking the Marshal roll once kingdoming starts.

Leader or spymaster

Both fit with her skills and abilities

*3PP Material- You may propose 3PP material as well. Assume that 3PP material is allowed unless it violates the sci-fi caveat above. Kingmaker is not a place for laser cannons or robots, even though they are super awesome in most other campaigns....

Ultimate Psionics, Path of War, Path of War Expanded playtest that is mostly finished?

Are there more "balance" or difficulty changes to the campaign than aforementioned Legendary Locations? IIRC Kingmaker is rather low-OP numbers-wise and gestalt makes it even easier.

How long for submissions before you make a call?

Gonna tuck this guy right here, basic crunch is done, need to do some fluff and general tweaking.

Dotting for interest, I should have a character ready by the end of tonight.

Please see the contained profile for my application, a Gnome Rogue(Unchained)/Aegis(Dreamscarred Press, Psionic Fighter Type). I spent some time thinking on this, so I feel that I'm probably 95% done. Please let me know if I missed something reverting him to L1, or a new Errata that ruins everything...

Major questions:

1) I am considering the racial feat, Breadth of Experience, which has a requirement of being at least 100 years old. For Gnomes, this puts me into Middle Age, with age related adjustments. I'm ok with either considering the adjustments already factored in, but I am just as willing to apply the -1 to physical stats and the +1 to mental stats.

(Note: I had intended to have both Dex and Int as 18's, with no racial mods. With adjustments they would be 17/19, without, 18/18.)

If you would prefer to avoid the issue, I'm also willing to drop the feat for something else, most likely Combat Expertise as a pre-req for Butterfly Sting.

2) Speaking of Butterfly Sting, do you wish to keep the requirement of Worshipping Desna? My only reason for asking, is my other currently major PBP is an Oracle of Desna, and I'm on the fence about someone new. My current leaning is to Calistria, for her beliefs in Trickery and Vengeance. I intend to play as CG. I have no intention of taking levels in a divine casting class, nor in multi-classing, no prestiging at this time.

Potential Roles from the base list, in alphabetical order: Grand Diplomat (Int, 2ndary Stat), Marshal (Dex, Primary Stat), Royal Enforcer (Dex, Primary Stat), Spymaster (Dex, Primary Stat), Treasurer (Int, 2ndary Stat).

so i made a guy. this is him.

GM, how do you feel about Legendary Games' medium from their Covenant Magic series and the Pact Magic Occultist from Radiance Games' Pact Magic Unbound Vol1 and 2? I'd love to combine them into the ultimate spirit channeler.

Dotting.

hello, I have never done PbP before but am interested in doing so. so forgive me if i don't know the normal courtesies or expectations. but i was wondering basically, how this all goes down in general as well(this is aimed at anyone who has experience on this forum 'w' people just seem to talk as if they know what they're doing so it's hard to learn). Am i supposed to submit a character here or should i ask questions first?

for instance, I made a class, i know i know, but note that i'm linking to the thread i posted for it to get edited, and i changed quite a bit based on advice.

don't worry if you say no I can just use lore warden fighter.

my idea is a low/none armor fighter, full gestalt would be wizard for buff spells and casting polymorph spells, then monk and either the class or lore warden fighter. probably human, with a sword cane or some such fashionable weapon.

Here you ask questions. And if you think you have a character that fits, you post the crunch in a spoiler. And when the time comes, the GM will list those he accepts and you can then move to the discussion tab and game tab with your approved character =^^=

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There are other tricks to
Like bold italic bigger smaller ooc etc
Most can be found at bottom of page.
But uf you need more help. Will be happy to assisst

=^^=

Dotting for interest.

My character idea is a particularly unscrupulous Orc (or possibly a half-orc) that stole the identity of a dying knight he met on the road. As the story progresses he goes from being a liar and a thief to a good and honest knight (Skulking slayer/Scout Rogue and Gendarme Cavalier)
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I'll have a character profile posted by tomorrow morning.

The gestalt route I think I'd go is Barbarian(Brutal Pugilist)/ Monk(Martial Artist). Most likely a human with the Rostlander or Pioneer campaign trait.

I'll see about writing this up over the weekend

:)

Please consider Surasshu the Summer Flame

Barbarian (Invulnerable Rager)/ Samurai (Sword Saint)

I am submitting Ra'hl Rogarvia for consideration. He is a Ranger/Bloodrager who will be prestiging into Dragon disciple on the bloadrager side.

How long is this recruitment to be open GM?

Interested! I'll post something soon!

Dotting for interest. I am presently looking at a Gnome (maybe halfling) Bard/Cleric. I should have some semblance of a character no later than tomorrow (fingers crossed). :)

After delving into third party stuff that I practically never look at, I'm compelled to try to build a kingdom from a raucous point of view...
Main reason for that being the potential combo of the (Moonshiner)Alchemist and the
(Tavern Brawler) Brawler

Off to work on this now

Thanks Zartana. though i'm not foreign to the boards, just PBP. :D though... i still don't really know how to make aliases. :/

here's my character built with my class.

and here he is without.

their power level would be basically the same, but I know most GMs cringe at the idea of custom classes, but I put several weeks into it while talking with people from the boards.

Go to your account there is a link/button create new alias
=^^=

Dotting for interest.

My character idea is a particularly unscrupulous Orc (or possibly a half-orc) that stole the identity of a dying knight he met on the road. As the story progresses he goes from being a liar and a thief to a good and honest knight (Skulking slayer/Scout Rogue and Gendarme Cavalier)
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I'll have a character profile posted by tomorrow morning.

Apparently I misunderstood racial archetypes. This will definitely be a half-orc then.

Dotting for interesting. Still open?