I think just the lamellar (leather) armor. Will trade it in eventually for mithral chainmail, but that's beyond my cash means at this point.
Was that his existing armor? It has to be MW to take magic.
Is one of those cloaks for Nebbin?
Yes!
Lekku, Lucius could +1 Turook's armor, or make him a +1 ring of protection on the day before departure. Does that work for you?
Ross, did you use Thom's leftover loot (and armor sell-back) funding one of those cloaks? Or do you want me to add it back to the ledger?
Give him the ring. Better value ... long and short term.
Ross, did you use Thom's leftover loot (and armor sell-back) funding one of those cloaks? Or do you want me to add it back to the ledger?
I haven't done accounting for gold yet: I saw you calculated ~17K on hand, and even rushing, Lucius can only spend 1K/day. Less on armor and cloak days, which cost 500 gp but still take all day. Rushing gets Lucius his afternoon back, but doesn't let him start a second item.
So I'm assuming there's enough slack in the budget that I can count it up at the end without finding out I accidentally overdrafted.
Give him the ring. Better value ... long and short term.
Those are becoming club rings, since everyone will have a matching one, besides Lucius. (I'll post a physical description when I do an in-character post about this.)
I think just the lamellar (leather) armor. Will trade it in eventually for mithral chainmail, but that's beyond my cash means at this point.Was that his existing armor? It has to be MW to take magic.
Nope. He bought a new one just for this.
Nope. He bought a new one just for this.I think just the lamellar (leather) armor. Will trade it in eventually for mithral chainmail, but that's beyond my cash means at this point.Was that his existing armor? It has to be MW to take magic.
Cool. Is there any IC reason he picked that one? Or is it just the best armor he can afford? (i.e. why not a chain shirt?)
Edit: I'm not just trying to be nosy, I'm trying to get inside Nebbin's head well enough that I can do one big post about Lucius's craftathon without contradicting other characters' motivations.
I think I figured that was the closest thing I could get to represent a quarryman's gear and have it also be armor. Thus he just got something he was used to.
I suppose someone could suggest "actual" armor for him and he'd go with that, which is the sort of handwaving I'm doing to give him a bow.
I suppose someone could suggest "actual" armor for him and he'd go with that, which is the sort of handwaving I'm doing to give him a bow.
I was thinking that he and Thom would go shopping together.
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(A ring of protection is better than a amulet of natural armor at the same price, so I'm prioritizing those, but you'll get an AC bump one way or the other.)
Actually, for Paladins, the Amulet is better because Paladins get a deflection AC bonus when they smite. I do plan on getting a static deflection bonus later on, but right now I'd rather not have overlap.
(A ring of protection is better than a amulet of natural armor at the same price, so I'm prioritizing those, but you'll get an AC bump one way or the other.)Actually, for Paladins, the Amulet is better because Paladins get a deflection AC bonus when they smite. I do plan on getting a static deflection bonus later on, but right now I'd rather not have overlap.
I had forgotten that particular wrinkle about Smite. Now that you mention it, it overlaps with Lucius's protection from chaos and Thom's protection from evil buffs, too. Lucius will start making amulets of natural armor that day instead.
Amulet of Natural Armor works for me. Good catch on the overlapping bonuses, guys.
Lekku, Lucius could +1 Turook's armor, or make him a +1 ring of protection on the day before departure. Does that work for you?
Yes, the ring would be great - I plan on upgrading to Mithril Breastplate, eventually. Also, I shelled out for an Efficient Quiver, so I've got some storage, if needed. I'm sure everyone would prefer to have most of their gear ready-to-hand, but I can help out with some storage in the interim.
Thinking about it, Nebbin would probably stick with the lamellar for now, albeit a nicer suit. Maybe eventually he'll let Thom talk him into better armor, but for now it's still out of his comfort zone.
Plenty of room in his head if you want to try to get in it, Lucius. :
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I switched Thom's Ring of Prot to an Amulet of Natural Armor. I guess we should do the same for Turook? And he gets a cloak, correct?
I'm stoked to see what you're dreaming up for our team duds, Ross.
Care Bear theme? Rainbows and Ponies? :D
I had been thinking Lucius would start with rings of protection because they're relatively simple items (and thus make a good starting point in the world of magic item design), they have a demonstrable lead-up to making the barbed pentacle, and as a magic item normally associated with clerics ties to his priestly role. Also, they tie neatly into my justification for why Lucius suddenly knows how to make all these magic items (you'll see).
I'm reworking my narrative of the craftathon so that the barbed pentacle is the first thing he makes, which means more flexibility later on producing amulets vs. rings.
Sorry, I'm out of pocket today. Will post when I can.
Ok I saw Lucius' question about taking 10...yes if you would hit the requisite DC by taking 10 then feel free to do so.
Nebbin, I am ok providing that for free, take your 2k gold back. I've handicapped you all slightly in level (because level 6 for the end of this book is waaaaay to fast and Mythic Abilities do make up for it, AND I've got other plans for leveling you as needed. You may be getting 2 levels at once, once in a while).
You do not need to buy horses. Assume that the army carries 50 units of food/drink and can supply war trained horses for you to ride.
Any other questions?
I have a question, who's familiar with the mass combat rules? Does anyone want to be? Do you want to do mass combat or have that as a backdrop and zoom in on some encounters for your characters within the mass combat?
It's been a while, but I was at one point very familiar with mass combat rules (my mod's based on it). I'm sure I could brush up on it again.
That said, Nebbin's far from a leader, so while I could do the rolls/decisions, I'd recommend Saoirse/Thom/Lucius as the actual commander.
I'm fine with also not doing that if everyone else would prefer.
Any other questions?
You said it was a week and a half or two weeks before the Queen arrived. Which is it? It turns out to make a difference if we have 10 or 14 days in terms of what Lucius can make for everyone. (Basically, at 10 days everyone gets an amulet of natural armor or ring of protection. At 14 days everyone can get both, unless we run out of money first.)
Lucius's neck slot will be filled with the barbed pentacle of Asmodeus. Can he make an alternate-slot item for natural armor (perhaps later, I don't think we have time/money right now)?
I have a question, who's familiar with the mass combat rules? Does anyone want to be? Do you want to do mass combat or have that as a backdrop and zoom in on some encounters for your characters within the mass combat?
I'm not, but I'm willing to learn. (Basically, whatever you think will be more fun and/or easier to run.)
Nebbin has two rings already; granted a ring of protection +1 would probably be better value, but he's also willing to hold off. Presumably we'll discover another ring of protection at some point and he can come into one.
With the extra money, Nebbin's got two choices:
* He can upgrade his hammer to be demon bane right now. That'd certainly make some sense and presumably be pretty useful over the course of the campaign.
* Alternatively, he could forgo the nice shortbow (which I don't expect him to use that much) and get a suit of mithral armor. That'd likely boost his AC by 2 and be relatively simple to enchant when we come into new money and Lucius has some time.
Either way, he'd be basically broke afterward. Thoughts on the best option at this point?
If you guys spend a few days after the queen's arrival then I'm comfortable saying 2 weeks for sure. I could be swayed for a couple days past 2 weeks in total downtime.
I need to look over the mass combat rules myself again, and the sections in which they occur and decide.
Likely I'll try a hybrid thing where one person is the commander, that person will get rounds in mass combat, and to keep the others from being bored I will come up with combat encounters within the mass combat so they get rounds as well.
14 days total downtime works for me.
(That makes the 'present' the 13th day)
Nebbin has two rings already; granted a ring of protection +1 would probably be better value, but he's also willing to hold off. Presumably we'll discover another ring of protection at some point and he can come into one.
With the extra money, Nebbin's got two choices:
* He can upgrade his hammer to be demon bane right now. That'd certainly make some sense and presumably be pretty useful over the course of the campaign.* Alternatively, he could forgo the nice shortbow (which I don't expect him to use that much) and get a suit of mithral armor. That'd likely boost his AC by 2 and be relatively simple to enchant when we come into new money and Lucius has some time.
Either way, he'd be basically broke afterward. Thoughts on the best option at this point?
I don't see Nebbin as a 'bow guy'. ICly, he doesn't have a good reason for knowing how to use one (unless he was a Boy Scout or equivalent? Mendev probably has lots of programs of that ilk to get soldiers young and train militia.) Throwing axes or hammers seem more his style.
My thought was he'd have hunted with his family, since that was probably something young Mendevians did. Though I agree that he's not likely a big "range" guy in general but I felt like it was worth having for when it's needed.
I guess the bigger question is go with the armor now or the hammer? Armor may make more sense in terms of the opportunity now, though the hammer makes more sense to me that it becomes magical and anti-demon all at once. I think technically I can upgrade the hammer anytime I have the gp and time, though that doesn't make a ton of sense. (RAW don't indicate the coins need to go to aspects of the ritual to upgrade it, though I assume that's what's intended.)
I think it's like magic item crafting in general: the gp are used to purchase some unspecified ingredients.
Anyway, I think that the key here is to ask 'What would Nebbin do?' not 'What is most optimal?'
Which of these two narratives sounds more like Nebbin?
1) Lucius notices Nebbin's hammer is magic now and suggests that feeding it more wardstone fragments will make it more powerful. Nebbin is excited enough about that to round up 3,000 gp of wardstone chips to feed the hammer.
2) While armor shopping with Thom, Nebbin tries on a nice suit of chainmail, but comments that it seems too heavy. The armor merchant says 'I have just the thing', and offers mithral chainmail. Nebbin thinks it's really cool and pays what it costs, because he's not used to having money.
Sorry, I was trying to move on to the briefing, since that's the current mission. I didn't realize you were looking for a full recap. I'll figure out a way to squeeze that in somewhere.
Good point. I think I'll magic up Nebbin's hammer more (though, again, I'm kind of handwaving it as all being because of the single event at this point. Later boosts can be over the wardstone chips).
Bravo for that post, Ross. I'll see if I can get up something for Nebbin, for his shopping trip in the next day or two.
Otherwise, though, it sounds like we've mostly got our shopping done at this point. Is there anything else people want to do or role-play out before we move on?
Mass combat: I don't know the rules, but I'd be happy to learn them if (as Ross said) it's going to add fun without adding complexity that will not down the game.
Lucius's crafting: Nice post! Thom is suitably discomforted by the Asmodean slant to things, but he trusts Lucius enough to be mostly thankful for everything.
Bravo for that post, Ross. I'll see if I can get up something for Nebbin, for his shopping trip in the next day or two.
Thanks. I wish I could edit some of the typos. And that I hadn't forgotten to imply that there's an imp bound to the haversack to sort its contents.
Otherwise, though, it sounds like we've mostly got our shopping done at this point. Is there anything else people want to do or role-play out before we move on?
I want to finish the briefing, and then maybe have some purely social stuff so Turook can get to know the rest of the team.
Lucius might consider him good luck: 5 is a sacred number to Asmodeans.
Yah, and using that as a chance to get Turook up to speed would be good, too. :)
Thom is suitably discomforted by the Asmodean slant to things, but he trusts Lucius enough to be mostly thankful for everything.
I did try to keep it suitably subtle.
Unless someone claims otherwise, I'm assuming that Soairse is taking the new handy haversack: Lucius will buy a new pack to replace the MW one he used as raw materials. Or, more likely, buy a new one for Thom and take back the Chelaxian-made one he started the game with.
It doesn't matter mechanically, but I'm also assuming that Soairse ends up with the bright red cloak of resistance that was Faxon's. It seems more her style than Nebbin's.
whats the best way for us to update our gold totals, Ross, given that you took an "all in" approach to crafting. Just reduce our costs as normal and then apply that back against our ledger somehow?
whats the best way for us to update our gold totals, Ross, given that you took an "all in" approach to crafting. Just reduce our costs as normal and then apply that back against our ledger somehow?
I'll deduct the crafting costs and raw material costs (i.e. armor and shields) from the ledger. For your part, just worry about any other purchases (i.e. stuff Lucius didn't make).
So, mwk full plate, mwk light steel quickdraw shield, and getting a mwk version of all my weapons? :D
I've marked everything with a listed sale price as sold, and hidden the spreadsheets rows for them. Two items I wanted to point out, in case a mistake was made:
Soairse was listed as having taken a +1 adamantine morning star and Nebbin a horn of clarity that are now listed as sold. If these are mistakes (i.e. you want to keep them) let me know and I'll undo them.
So, mwk full plate, mwk light steel quickdraw shield, and getting a mwk version of all my weapons? :D
Full plate and shield I'll take care of under Lucius's crafting.
For your other purchases, add up a total and deduct them from the ledger. (Or if you prefer, post a total here and I'll update the ledger.)
Nebbin does not want the horn, so selling it is fine.
I'd already marked the +4,000-whatever GP on my sheet and then subtracted costs for my bow, armor and hammer (the upgrading to demonbane, not the transforming to +1) so not sure how you want me to handle that now. I suppose I can go back and figure out what that all involved an undo it.
Lekku, the ledger and spreadsheet we keep talking about lives here:
Treasury
If you send me your email address I can grant you edit permission.
I had done the same as Nebbin, but I have the numbers saved somewhere and could fairly easily reverse out the money changes to do it Ross's way (since he's being kind enough to stay on top of our group loot and all).
And I'm a bit confused. Are you handling the whole purchase of the upgraded items (including the base item)? I'm good either way. Just making sure I understand what we're doing.
Nebbin does not want the horn, so selling it is fine.
I'd already marked the +4,000-whatever GP on my sheet and then subtracted costs for my bow, armor and hammer (the upgrading to demonbane, not the transforming to +1) so not sure how you want me to handle that now. I suppose I can go back and figure out what that all involved an undo it.
It might be a little communist, but I'm trying to keep all our financial records in one place.
Partially because I don't trust profile-page stat blocks to be the best place to store money - It's easy to forget to record spending or picking up cash, or to make a math mistake when adding up a bunch of magic items. There's no way to recover what it looked like last week, and double-check, you know? (Or to be more accurate, I don't trust myself to keep it there - you're a veteran of keeping track of multiple PbP and are probably more on-top of Nebbin's profile than I am of Lucius's.)
But also having 'party wealth' helps avoid paying for something twice, or to avoid having PCs 'loan' each other money to get the next big item.
I guess I just feel it's simpler to add an entry like:
Nebbin - MW Leather lammelar, MW shortbow, upgrade hammer: -3,XXX gp
Than:
Payout 25% share: -4,XXX gp
and then be unsure if Nebbin and Lucius both spent 500 gp to magic up the armor. Or, if for instance Soairse says selling that adamantine morningstar is a mistake, retroactively reducing shares and forcing you to adjust your character sheet instead of just reducing the leftover party gold.
Am I making sense or am I just being a control freak?
I'm totally fine with that. I'm not a natural details-guy (my wife's the family accountant), so i'm more than happy to have one big group budget doc that we use for all things (especially if sharper minds are managing the details of said ledger).
I'm also totally fine with that. As long as we're all on the same page.
So, Nebbin's expenses are as follows:
Earthbreaker: 3,000 to upgrade to bane. (It was granted +1 for free, so 3,000 covers the upgrade to +2 weapon using its upgradeable quality.)
Armor: buy masterwork leather lamellar armor and have Lucius upgrade it to +1 for a total of 710 gp.
Masterwork composite shortbow (+4 Str) would cost 675, plus 3 gp for arrows and cold iron arrows.
So that's a total of 4,388 he spent, I think 300 or so of which was out of gp he had listed on his sheet (which now stand at 401 gp, 6 sp, 7 cp).
and getting a mwk version of all my weapons? :D
The shield and armor are now accounted for. How much do the weapons set you back?