I don't know if I am missing something, or just being lazy not reading 4,000 pages of text, but I am confused on a few things. One, how do I get composite blasts? My first impression was that I got them at level 20, but I thought if I got them then, they were almost useless. Next, how do I not accept burn? It says option, but there are no actual augmentations listed. Are you planning on them in the final edition? This next one is a little bit of a suggestion. The burn makes absolutely no sense. I am sorry if that offends everyone, but think about that from this angle. You are a powerful fire bender, and you level up. Suddenly lighting people on fire makes you hurt a little bit to burning your flesh severely. Something you could do easily earlier gets harder to do as you level up. I suggest you change that around a little bit, even though I don't really have an idea of what it would be. Also, see if you can add in some sort of buffer, like you take free burn until the burn exceeds your con modifier. Thank you all for listening to me even if you already answered these concerns.
I've read through the class and like what I see so far. I don't know if my points have been addressed in this thread. If so, I apologize.
I was a little dismayed to see that, like most other element-based classes I've seen since 2e, the kineticist is split so that each practitioner is largely limited to a single element. For many years I've been wanting to see a true elementalist; one who wields the power of all four elements. Seeing as how Avatar has popularized the idea, I hope there are plans to make this a viable PC option starting at level 1.
For those who focus on a single element such as fire though, are there plans to include a class ability that automatically reduces an opponent's energy resistance or immunity and that scales up as the PC increases in level? Such characters are attractive to play at a glance, but without such an ability tend to be paper tigers in my experience since energy resistance is so common. No one is afraid of a pyromaniac who fails to burn anything.
Just wanted to throw this in here: It's funny that Avatar "popularized" the idea of an all-elements wielder, because in that series only ONE person could wield more than one element at a time, and they were basically an incarnation of the world's spirit. Every other shmoe had to deal with the strengths and weaknesses of one element.
A better analogy would be Golden Sun (I'm going to keep making this comparison, damn it): You have one innate element inside you, but through getting more powerful (Or items) you can mix and match different elements.
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I love the class. Can't stop loving it. Seriously considering all my future classes being some kind of Kineticist.
Right now my group and I are in the initial planning stages for the next campaign, character concepts, stats, history, etc. I have an idea for a teifling hunter of demons, ala Ao No Exorcist (though I had thought of the character concept before I saw the anime or read the manga...there really are no original thoughts out there.) but crossed with Natsu from Fairy Tail. A fire using demon slayer. However demons are immune to fire. Any hint that I'll be able to actually fight a demon and be effective or should I just go with a combo of magus bladesinger/kensai.
Rock on! I'll tell you what. I'm going to use my designer powers to retroactively alter history and remove the demon's immunity to fire. Let's say we replace it with fire resistance 10. Sound good so far? I'll also give you an option to burn down that 10 over time, leaving them with no resistance. Check the PRD, d20pfsrd, and even your paper copies of the bestiary, and the changes to the demon subtype from my designer powers should be in place. ;)
I think that the Kineticist would be even more awesome if it got some cool Wild Talents on the likeness of the Unchained Barbarian "Energy Absorption" or the Winter Witch PrC "Unnatural Cold" and "Unearthly Cold", at least for the Pyrokineticist, so he has a way to overcome Fire Immunity without becoming useless for the rest of the encounter.
Since this ship(book) has already sailed, we can only cross our fingers and hope that Mark designer powers will take care of it without us even noticing. =]
I think that the Kineticist would be even more awesome if it got some cool Wild Talents on the likeness of the Unchained Barbarian "Energy Absorption" or the Winter Witch PrC "Unnatural Cold" and "Unearthly Cold", at least for the Pyrokineticist, so he has a way to overcome Fire Immunity without becoming useless for the rest of the encounter.
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Rock on! I'll tell you what. I'm going to use my designer powers to retroactively alter history and remove the demon's immunity to fire. Let's say we replace it with fire resistance 10. Sound good so far? I'll also give you an option to burn down that 10 over time, leaving them with no resistance. Check the PRD, d20pfsrd, and even your paper copies of the bestiary, and the changes to the demon subtype from my designer powers should be in place. ;)
I've interpreted this to mean that the pyrokineticist (possibly all kineticists) will be able to treat those with immunity to fire (or their specific element) as having resistance to fire, and possibly be able to lower that resistance over time, leaving them with no resistance. That's right, the pyrokineticist will be able to 'burn' creatures immune to fire (possibly even fire elementals).
Incidentally, demons aren't actually immune to fire. That's devils.
Getting through energy resistance would be a super neato power though and help specialists a lot. There's another precedent with Outer Dragons' breath weapons being able to treat immunity as resistance 20 and wearing down regular resistance.
What I'd like to know is if kineticists could get resistance or immunity to their own element somehow.
I think that the Kineticist would be even more awesome if it got some cool Wild Talents on the likeness of the Unchained Barbarian "Energy Absorption" or the Winter Witch PrC "Unnatural Cold" and "Unearthly Cold", at least for the Pyrokineticist, so he has a way to overcome Fire Immunity without becoming useless for the rest of the encounter.
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Rock on! I'll tell you what. I'm going to use my designer powers to retroactively alter history and remove the demon's immunity to fire. Let's say we replace it with fire resistance 10. Sound good so far? I'll also give you an option to burn down that 10 over time, leaving them with no resistance. Check the PRD, d20pfsrd, and even your paper copies of the bestiary, and the changes to the demon subtype from my designer powers should be in place. ;)I've interpreted this to mean that the pyrokineticist (possibly all kineticists) will be able to treat those with immunity to fire (or their specific element) as having resistance to fire, and possibly be able to lower that resistance over time, leaving them with no resistance. That's right, the pyrokineticist will be able to 'burn' creatures immune to fire (possibly even fire elementals).
You have not interpreted it correctly (Zed is correct, demons were never immune to fire, I was just being tongue in cheek)
You have not interpreted it correctly (Zed is correct, demons were never immune to fire, I was just being tongue in cheek)I think that the Kineticist would be even more awesome if it got some cool Wild Talents on the likeness of the Unchained Barbarian "Energy Absorption" or the Winter Witch PrC "Unnatural Cold" and "Unearthly Cold", at least for the Pyrokineticist, so he has a way to overcome Fire Immunity without becoming useless for the rest of the encounter.
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Rock on! I'll tell you what. I'm going to use my designer powers to retroactively alter history and remove the demon's immunity to fire. Let's say we replace it with fire resistance 10. Sound good so far? I'll also give you an option to burn down that 10 over time, leaving them with no resistance. Check the PRD, d20pfsrd, and even your paper copies of the bestiary, and the changes to the demon subtype from my designer powers should be in place. ;)I've interpreted this to mean that the pyrokineticist (possibly all kineticists) will be able to treat those with immunity to fire (or their specific element) as having resistance to fire, and possibly be able to lower that resistance over time, leaving them with no resistance. That's right, the pyrokineticist will be able to 'burn' creatures immune to fire (possibly even fire elementals).
I'm not sure how else to interpret it? Unless it's just you being cheeky, the the whole thing is a joke.
If it's a legitimate teaser, then based off what you said, demons (devils) wouldn't be immune to fire and instead have their immunity replaced with resistance. A resistance which you can 'burn down' mind you, eventually leaving them with no resistance.
You have not interpreted it correctly (Zed is correct, demons were never immune to fire, I was just being tongue in cheek)I think that the Kineticist would be even more awesome if it got some cool Wild Talents on the likeness of the Unchained Barbarian "Energy Absorption" or the Winter Witch PrC "Unnatural Cold" and "Unearthly Cold", at least for the Pyrokineticist, so he has a way to overcome Fire Immunity without becoming useless for the rest of the encounter.
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Rock on! I'll tell you what. I'm going to use my designer powers to retroactively alter history and remove the demon's immunity to fire. Let's say we replace it with fire resistance 10. Sound good so far? I'll also give you an option to burn down that 10 over time, leaving them with no resistance. Check the PRD, d20pfsrd, and even your paper copies of the bestiary, and the changes to the demon subtype from my designer powers should be in place. ;)I've interpreted this to mean that the pyrokineticist (possibly all kineticists) will be able to treat those with immunity to fire (or their specific element) as having resistance to fire, and possibly be able to lower that resistance over time, leaving them with no resistance. That's right, the pyrokineticist will be able to 'burn' creatures immune to fire (possibly even fire elementals).I'm not sure how else to interpret it? Unless it's just you being cheeky, the the whole thing is a joke.
If it's a legitimate teaser, then based off what you said, demons (devils) wouldn't be immune to fire and instead have their immunity replaced with resistance. A resistance which you can 'burn down' mind you, eventually leaving them with no resistance.
Everything in the post is legitimate, except for the (I thought clearly joking) fact that I used superpowers to alter the past (demons never had immunity anyway, and an ability such as you describe would certainly not edit the Bestiary). So when we get to a discussion about the kineticist, it starts with the assumption that demons simply are not immune. I'd be sad if I can't joke around any more, so please, don't hold me to any ridiculous statements involving time travel or reality alteration :\
...You have not interpreted it correctly (Zed is correct, demons were never immune to fire, I was just being tongue in cheek)I think that the Kineticist would be even more awesome if it got some cool Wild Talents on the likeness of the Unchained Barbarian "Energy Absorption" or the Winter Witch PrC "Unnatural Cold" and "Unearthly Cold", at least for the Pyrokineticist, so he has a way to overcome Fire Immunity without becoming useless for the rest of the encounter.
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Since this ship(book) has already sailed, we can only cross our fingers and hope that Mark designer powers will take care...
Couple posts above yours:
Rock on! I'll tell you what. I'm going to use my designer powers to retroactively alter history and remove the demon's immunity to fire. Let's say we replace it with fire resistance 10. Sound good so far? I'll also give you an option to burn down that 10 over time, leaving them with no resistance. Check the PRD, d20pfsrd, and even your paper copies of the bestiary, and the changes to the demon subtype from my designer powers should be in place. ;)I've interpreted this to mean that the pyrokineticist (possibly all kineticists) will be able to treat those with immunity to fire (or their specific element) as having resistance to fire, and possibly be able to lower that resistance over time, leaving them with no resistance. That's right, the pyrokineticist will be able to 'burn' creatures immune to fire (possibly even fire elementals).I'm not sure how else to interpret it? Unless it's just you being cheeky, the the whole thing is a joke.
If it's a legitimate teaser, then based off what you said, demons (devils) wouldn't be immune to fire and instead have their immunity replaced with resistance. A resistance which you can 'burn down' mind you, eventually leaving them with no
I assumed it was both a teaser, but one done so in a jokey manor. Which is what I expect of you at this point, especially with the 'Kaio-Ken' feat you posted awhile back :P
Anyway, I was just trying to figure out some other method of interpreting it. I would assume that the ability you're teasing about is similar to the Unnatural/Unearthly Cold abilities that the Winter Witch prestige class gets, except it goes one step further and can actually lower the resistance of the creature down to, eventually, 0 resistance. Though I suspect it will only apply to pyrokinetics or may be a pyrokinetic archetype ability.
Probably missed a clarification, but do we treat the Kineticist level as caster level for purposes of overcoming Spell Resistance?
I don't see anything in the playtest document which clarifies.
Caster level is equal to half your Kineticist level IIRCProbably missed a clarification, but do we treat the Kineticist level as caster level for purposes of overcoming Spell Resistance?
I don't see anything in the playtest document which clarifies.
That's for effective SPELL level. Caster level for purposes of spell resistance would be kineticist level.
I have a few more questions about this class. Sorry if I am offending anyone upfront, but the more I look at this class, the more questions I have. First, is there a limit to the amount of wild talents you can use per day/encounter? My friend was talking about something like that, and I think that is kind of off. Like composite blasts make sense, but not for the others. If someone could answer that and explain to me why that would be great. Another question is can you choose your wild talents? They are listed like a cleric bonus spells, but there seem to be more for each element than listed. Then just a question for character creation. Is there a race that gets bonus dex and con? Thank you for considering this post and answering these questions.
I have a few more questions about this class. Sorry if I am offending anyone upfront, but the more I look at this class, the more questions I have. First, is there a limit to the amount of wild talents you can use per day/encounter? My friend was talking about something like that, and I think that is kind of off. Like composite blasts make sense, but not for the others. If someone could answer that and explain to me why that would be great. Another question is can you choose your wild talents? They are listed like a cleric bonus spells, but there seem to be more for each element than listed. Then just a question for character creation. Is there a race that gets bonus dex and con? Thank you for considering this post and answering these questions.
Hey, no worries Calvin! Questions are good, and they don't offend anyone. How else can you get the answers? There is no limit to how many 0 burn cost wild talents you can use. You choose your wild talents from the available list (there will be even more choices in the actual book too!) PC races in general are never built with a bonus to two physical statistics. However, there's a human alternate racial option to trade out your feat and skill points for another +2, which allows you to have those bonuses (albeit with no other racial benefits).
I'm still working my way through this topic so this may have been asked, but is it intended that you can take Rare Metal Infusion at 6, but it only works with the Metal Composite Blast which you can only get at 7 or 15?
I don't really see what's weak about the telekineticist. As decent damage and wild talent options as anyone else. Though not really in theme with Avatar: The Last Airbender or Legend of Korra.
But assuming you stick with it, some comments about your build! Warning, two versions: The unarmed martial artist, and the version that will be throwing out comments that would most likely say take out the flavorful choices.
Unarmed Version
Stats? Are those with 20 point buy? They look odd. What did they look like at level 1 before the level 4 boost? You want more Strength if you actually wanna hurt or hit anything, can suffer less Con (avoid Burn like the dickens!)
Your feats and talents need a load of work. It looks like you wanna be able to switch between melee and ranged, but your choices lack focus.
Get brawling armor so your unarmed kinetic fists are more accurate and delivers more of a punch.
Not Unarmed Version
Your stats should have afforded you a 16 Dex. Go for it.
You got kinetic blade AND fist. Pick one. Hint: Don't pick kinetic fist. It sucks for damage unless you got a really great strength modifier and even then you'd wanna benefit from LOTS of attacks such as from several natural attacks. Kinetic blade still uses your Con mod for damage.
Average BAB class should not be taking TWF without a lot of class support to make it more accurate (such as monk's flurry of blows). Your kinetic blasts/blade/fist are ALL against regular AC. Even if you do decide to stick with unarmed strikes and kinetic fist, you're not hitting ANYTHING.
But seriously. Don't take kinetic fist. Get kinetic blade and aether up some brass knuckles or a club or something if you're wanting the unarmed/staff feel.
Do you want to make ranged attacks? You want precise shot. Folks with touch attack blasts also want precise shot. Regular AC targetting blast like TKers definitely want it.
Feats should look like:
1) Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot
3) Weapon Finesse
I'm a bit confused on the Burn and how it inproves your Kinetic Blast and by how much. Can someone explain that to me.
Feel the burn +1 at level 3 means if you have 1 burn point (and suffering nonlethal damage equal to your character level), you'd geta +1 bonus to attack and damage rolls with your blasts and blade. NOT to fist as it only accounts for the number of dice (1/3 your blast dice is not a lot no matter what level you are) and none of the blast modifiers. If you have more burn at level 3-5, you get more nonlethal damage, but no other bonuses.
At level 6, you get Feel the Burn +2; that means if you have 2 burn points, you get a total bonus of +2 to blast/blade/whip attack and damage rolls. And so on and so on every 3 levels, the bonus increases by +1.When the book comes out and final version is revealed, there's hopefully a martial artist archetype that you'll find better for your build. Or simply even a better kinetic fist.
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Elsa
Human (Taldan) bard 1/kineticist 10
NG Medium humanoid (human)
Init +2; Senses Perception +5
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Defense
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AC 12, touch 12, flat-footed 10 (+2 Dex)
hp 123 (11d8+65)
Fort +12, Ref +11, Will +6
Defensive Abilities elemental defense (shroud of water)
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Offense
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Speed 30 ft.
Ranged cold blast +9 touch (5d6+2) or
ice blast +9 (5d6+10 +5d6+5 Cold) or
water blast +9 (5d6+10)
Special Attacks bardic performance 5 rounds/day (countersong, distraction, fascinate [DC 11], inspire
courage +1), composite blast (ice blast)
Bard Spells Known (CL 1st; concentration +2)
1st (2/day)— comprehend languages , summon monster I
0 (at will)— detect magic , ghost sound (DC 11), lullaby (DC 11), read magic
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Statistics
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Str 10, Dex 14, Con 20, Int 10, Wis 12, Cha 13
Base Atk +7; CMB +7; CMD 19
Skills Acrobatics +6, Appraise +4, Bluff +5, Diplomacy +15, Disguise +5, Knowledge (history) +5,
Knowledge (nature) +5, Knowledge (nobility) +5, Perception +5, Perform (dance) +5, Perform (sing) +15,
Sense Motive +5, Sleight of Hand +6, Spellcraft +4, Stealth +6, Swim +4, Use Magic Device +5
Languages Common
SQ bardic knowledge +1, burn, elemental focus (water), feel the burn, infusion specialization, infusion
specialization, kinetic blast, metakinesis, wild talents (entangling infusion, expanded element, ice path,
icewalker, impale, slick, spark of life)
Other Gear 150 gp
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Special Abilities
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Bardic Knowledge +1 (Ex) Add +1 to all knowledge skill checks.
Bardic Performance (standard action, 5 rounds/day) Your performances can create magical effects.
Burn 3/round (11 nonlethal/burn, 8/day) Burn HP to gain greater effects on your wild talents.
Cold Blast (Sp) You emit a beam of utter cold to freeze a single foe as a ranged touch attack. If you hit,
the target suffers an amount of cold damage equal to 1d6 + 1/2 your Constitution modifier. This damage
increases by 1d6 for every 2 kineticist levels you posse
Entangling Infusion (DC 20) Your blast can entangle a foe.
Expanded Element (Water) (Su) Gain a second element focus.
Feel the Burn +3 (Ex) Gain a bonus to hit and damage with your blast when you use burn.
Ice Blast (Sp) Element water; Type composite blast; Level - ; Burn 2
Prerequisites primary element is water, expanded element (water)
Spell Resistance no
You shoot a chilling icicle to stab a single foe as a ra
Ice Path (Su) You gain an effect equivalent to air walk by walking along the ice you form.
Icewalker (Su) Move across wet and icy surfaces without needing to attempt Acrobatics checks.
Impale Blast attack a 30 ft line.
Infusion Specialization (Form Infusions) (Ex) Reduce burn cost of the selected infusion by 1 point (to a
minimum of 0 points).
Infusion Specialization (Form Infusions) (Ex) Reduce burn cost of the selected infusion by 1 point (to a
minimum of 0 points).
Kinetic Blast (Sp) The kineticist can unleash her kinetic blast at a range of 30 feet at will.
Metakinesis (Su) By accepting burn you affect your kinetic blast as if using a metamagic ability.
Shroud of Water (+6 armor or +4 shield, + 1/burn) (Su) As an immediate action, you surround yourself
with a shroud of water, ice, or both that protects you from harm. The shroud can either cover your body,
functioning as armor, or float around you and block attacks, functioning as a shield. It grants eit
Slick (DC 20) (Sp) Use your slick for any of the effects of the grease spell for 1r
Spark of Life (Sp) Use summon monster to summon elements.
Water Hydrokineticists.
Water Blast (Sp)
i uh... i refuse to feel any shame in creating this. it was only a matter of time and you brought it on yourselves.
Why the levels of bard? Is it for the singing? Because any character can sing if they put ranks into Perform (sing).
I can see the usefulness of a level in bard especially if it fits the theme of the character your trying to create. Besides the extra skills points, extra class skills, boost to will save, cantrips, first levels spells, and bardic music would be useful.
Am I blind did you not list your feats?
I can see the usefulness of a level in bard especially if it fits the theme of the character your trying to create. Besides the extra skills points, extra class skills, boost to will save, cantrips, first levels spells, and bardic music would be useful.
Am I blind did you not list your feats?
class skills, will save, a few fun spells, and the inspire was indeed why the level dip bard. also, it was 5am when i built the character after i realized the class could appropriately accomplish all of the things she does without even really trying too hard and still maintaining viability, but i didnt really know what feats it needs. seems as though power attack, a common go-to for me is useless, while if she's hitting touch AC then point blank and percise arent really going to make a huge difference. she could take a few Extra Wild Talent feats just for some added versatility, but she already has most of the abilities we saw in the movie... apart from the whole frozen heart thing. my only real problem with the class is, the way its worded, it doesnt seem that many of the most common feats would be all that useful to her. particularly the parts about the blast-weapons doing blast damage not weapon damage, and about it not being able to make two-handed or even two one-handed weapons. this takes vital strike, cleave, power attack, spring attack, whirlwind attack, point blank, and all of the style feats (i toyed with an unarmed strike build, since it has a unarmed form infusion) out of the equation if you intend on your primary damage source being the blast. i also wonder if Weapon Focus or Spec would work with the blast... she will likely take Toughness, Dodge and Mobility, maybe try and work in combat expertise and reflexes (although again, the way most of the form infusions are worded makes it seem like these arent useful feats, mainly how the infused weapons only last for your turn, and the amount of burn it requires to maintain them.) on top of this metamagic feats dont seem to apply either, she has integrated metamagic to increase her blasting, and the flavor feats like silent spell and still spell likely arent needed, i didnt read anywhere that the blast had any verbal or somatic, other than a free hand to direct the blast... thats a huge chunk of the feats i take on most characters cut out.
of course, i could just be flat wrong, and i hope someone tells me i'm flat wrong. the vision i had for my original kineticist was a water-blasting dervish dancer who either created a single kinetic scimitar or coated an existing one and used finesse/dervish dance to get in as much damage as possible, while carrying dodge/mobility and some decent armor to properly make use of that massive hp- pool. invest in the critical line and just do massive amounts of damage to single targets around the edges of the fight before plunging in on the big guys that the tank proper is hopefully taking on.
Well as for feats I would give her toughness, dodge, iron will, alertness, combat casting, point blank shot, and precise shot.
As for magic items I would give her +2 mithril chain shirt, ring of protection +2, amulet of natural armor +2, cloak of resistance +3, belt of physical prowess +2(dex, con), headband of mental prowess +2(wis, cha).
was actually toying with the idea of not wearing armor and either having a friend smack me with a wand of mage armor every day or else try and umd one myself, and otherwise simply trying to avoid being in melee combat as much as possible and just using my blasts. if you read above i had already said toughness for sure, the CoR is a given, same as the RoP and AoNA. i generally tend to pick up, initially anyway, monotype belts ASAP and then getting better belts as i find them/can afford them. again though, i just wanted to post the core concept of the build for some lols, i dont really INTEND to be the most hated guy at the table every time i inspire courage. (the snow gleams white on the mountain tonight, followed quickly by a chorus of groans and people thanking me for getting that damn song stuck in their heads, again)
Just want to start with a Thanks for an awesome class Mark. I am completely new to the forums side of things but i was curious after i accidentally stumbled across the playtest when looking for a class to play for an upcoming Campaign (starts Monday). And i was completely taken back with how much fun and how interesting the class was.
That only got more as time went on and i saw the possible changes and updates that the final version will have. Since the campaign is starting at level one, and probably wont level too quickly. I can hope that i dont level too much before the book comes out and i can then rework a few things with the new changes and balances.
I have to say, just reading through the various posts here i cant help but constantly speculate on what some of the bigger changes are based on what was discussed. Such as what exactly the basic wild element talent that you get for choosing that element does for you. When you get the expanded element since it seems like it is now a class feature and whether the supposed getting a wild talent each level thing holds water.
Its a very awesome class that i really am psyched for. Pathfinder is the game i keep coming back to, especially since you guys take such a direct interest in your fan base.
I have a question, it may have been answered already, but i'm confused about burn for the Kineticist, why is it when doing the same wild talent you take more damage as you level up? for example Chain lightning has 3 burn, so that means you take 3 burn per character level, meaning that at level 10 i am taking 30 non-lethal damage but then at level 11 i am taking 33 non-lethal damage, why is it that as my character becomes more experienced he takes more damage overall from burn os at level 20 i'm taking 60 dmg for burn for something that when i took the wild talent i only took 30 why does the burn cost increase? would the char get better at resisting burn, and why would the task become harder to do as she became more experienced?
I have a question, it may have been answered already, but i'm confused about burn for the Kineticist, why is it when doing the same wild talent you take more damage as you level up? for example Chain lightning has 3 burn, so that means you take 3 burn per character level, meaning that at level 10 i am taking 30 non-lethal damage but then at level 11 i am taking 33 non-lethal damage, why is it that as my character becomes more experienced he takes more damage overall from burn os at level 20 i'm taking 60 dmg for burn for something that when i took the wild talent i only took 30 why does the burn cost increase? would the char get better at resisting burn, and why would the task become harder to do as she became more experienced?
As far as I see it, the burn scales because the damage you are doing with that same Chain Lightning is also scaling.
Also, don't forget burn costs themselves get reduced as you increase in level from the class features.
Also, don't forget burn costs themselves get reduced as you increase in level from the class features.
ok thanks,if thats the case then I feel their should at least be a way to step down the damage for less burn, kind of like power points form The Psionics system
Just want to start with a Thanks for an awesome class Mark. I am completely new to the forums side of things but i was curious after i accidentally stumbled across the playtest when looking for a class to play for an upcoming Campaign (starts Monday). And i was completely taken back with how much fun and how interesting the class was.
That only got more as time went on and i saw the possible changes and updates that the final version will have. Since the campaign is starting at level one, and probably wont level too quickly. I can hope that i dont level too much before the book comes out and i can then rework a few things with the new changes and balances.
I have to say, just reading through the various posts here i cant help but constantly speculate on what some of the bigger changes are based on what was discussed. Such as what exactly the basic wild element talent that you get for choosing that element does for you. When you get the expanded element since it seems like it is now a class feature and whether the supposed getting a wild talent each level thing holds water.
Its a very awesome class that i really am psyched for. Pathfinder is the game i keep coming back to, especially since you guys take such a direct interest in your fan base.
You're welcome; glad you enjoy the class!
Also, don't forget burn costs themselves get reduced as you increase in level from the class features.ok thanks,if thats the case then I feel their should at least be a way to step down the damage for less burn, kind of like power points form The Psionics system
It's just a different mechanic. Rather than have a pool of points based on Con bonus, you use the bonus hp from Con. It lets you dip into your hp for more power in an emergency, and does a nice job of balancing being Con-based. Plus, it's non-lethal, so you still have a buffer where your party mates can heal up or regular damage.
I have a question, it may have been answered already, but i'm confused about burn for the Kineticist, why is it when doing the same wild talent you take more damage as you level up? for example Chain lightning has 3 burn, so that means you take 3 burn per character level, meaning that at level 10 i am taking 30 non-lethal damage but then at level 11 i am taking 33 non-lethal damage, why is it that as my character becomes more experienced he takes more damage overall from burn os at level 20 i'm taking 60 dmg for burn for something that when i took the wild talent i only took 30 why does the burn cost increase? would the char get better at resisting burn, and why would the task become harder to do as she became more experienced?
Think of burn as costing a percentage of your max hit points, and then it all makes sense. It's not that you are now worse at controlling burn; in fact, you get infusion specialization and <REDACTED> as you level up and gain greater mastery over your own burn. Skilled and powerful kineticists have greater control and they can use tricks to avoid burn, but burn scales so that when you do take it, it's significant. If burn was impossible to avoid, did weaker stuff, had a much higher limit for total burn, and dealt like 1 nonlethal damage even at 20th level, it would be one way to work it out, but that would be a mathematical bookkeeping nightmare of nickel and dimeing, and it's much less spectacular.
I'm wondering if there will be archetypes that apply additional penalties to burn to make it more powerful. Conditions, for instance. Nauseated would be too much, so maybe sickened.
... Okay, I just want a character with sick burns.
I'm wondering if there will be archetypes that apply additional penalties to burn to make it more powerful. Conditions, for instance. Nauseated would be too much, so maybe sickened.
... Okay, I just want a character with sick burns.
Sickened gives so many penalties that you'd have to give something really good (and naturally you'd need a clause to make it so you lose the extra benefit if you lose or are immune to sickened and/or can't lose/be immune to this sickened).
Sickened gives so many penalties that you'd have to give something really good (and naturally you'd need a clause to make it so you lose the extra benefit if you lose or are immune to sickened and/or can't lose/be immune to this sickened).I'm wondering if there will be archetypes that apply additional penalties to burn to make it more powerful. Conditions, for instance. Nauseated would be too much, so maybe sickened.
... Okay, I just want a character with sick burns.
A price I am willing to pay for terrible puns.
So, fans of the Kineticst have some work ahead of them... How best do we use the Kineticist to make a team of Power Rangers? Including the Megazord? Perhaps some sort of homebrewed Variant Multiclass Synthesist Summoner that has the special ability to merge together into a Colossoal sized Eidolon?
I have just reread the playtest, i haven't noticed that Aerokinesis would seem to be the most fun way to play kinticst. I hope that this branch doesn't have changed much.