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Gorum's sword had not cleared leather
'Fore a bullet fairly ripped,
And Cixyron's aim was deadly with the big iron on his hip...
BTW we know where the rest of Gorum's sword is. Just look at the new horn that Szuriel's mount sports on the cover of War of Immortals.
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What if the hole in Gorum's armor wasn't caused by an attack from without but rather was caused by something hatching from inside him? ;)
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What if the hole in Gorum's armor wasn't caused by an attack from without but rather was caused by something hatching from inside him? ;)"Oh no... Not again!" - the aptly named William Hurt
"Hello, my baby! Hello, my honey! Hello, my ragtime gal! Send me a kiss by wire! Baby, my heart's on fire! If you refuse me, honey you'll lose me, then you'll be left alone, so telephone, and tell me I'm your owwwwwnnnn!" - Szuriel's horse...maybe...
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I hope Gorum goes down fighting.
It seems fitting, but also because I would love to play a Gorumite whose faith does not waver.
"My god died doing what he expects us all to do. I feel his presence in every swing of my blade, in every blow I block. And in the heat in every second of every battle. Gorum is dead. May he live forever."
Tbh that could be the most fun we've had with coming up for a worshipper of Gorum.
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Another neat thing is that we maybe get to find out what happens when you have a god that dies but their worshippers don't stop. What does that do? does it do anything? If they go before Pharasma to be judged, how does she deal with that?
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Another neat thing is that we maybe get to find out what happens when you have a god that dies but their worshippers don't stop. What does that do? does it do anything? If they go before Pharasma to be judged, how does she deal with that?
I'd bet they are handled the same as Atheists at that point.
"Despite their lack of faith, atheists' souls are still judged by Pharasma. Some become bodiless spirits in the Astral Plane or are reincarnated, but most find their fate in the Graveyard of Souls"
Godsrain reminds me of the old Monte Cook sourcebook, Requiem for a God. I it, when a god dies, their divine essence can go out into the world and is the source for various effects.
1.Can be used to power spells or magic items.
2. Can be ingested in order to add templates to a character( Goes from Aasimar to Half-Celestial I believe)
As well as other options and options.
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Now, another option that'd be totally on-brand is Gorum feeling his essence being 'sucked out' by whatever thing is going on and going "You know what? I choose a different strategy. You Lose."
And then self-shanking hard enough to break the ritual and send parts of himself everywhere.
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Now, another option that'd be totally on-brand is Gorum feeling his essence being 'sucked out' by whatever thing is going on and going "You know what? I choose a different strategy. You Lose."And then self-shanking hard enough to break the ritual and send parts of himself everywhere.
Ooh now THAT would be a good one too; it allows for him to have gotten dishonourably fatally attacked without being able to counterattack (which is what I believe they're going for), but WITH him still being able to strike back against his attacker. Like sure their IMMEDIATE goal (killing Gorum) succeeded, but their OVERALL goal (using his essence for their own purpose) failed.
Ooh now THAT would be a good one too; it allows for him to have gotten dishonourably fatally attacked without being able to counterattack (which is what I believe they're going for), but WITH him still being able to strike back against his attacker. Like sure their IMMEDIATE goal (killing Gorum) succeeded, but their OVERALL goal (using his essence for their own purpose) failed.
...especially if the Gorum-splosion did some real damage with the backlash.
...although...
Are we absolutely certain that the PCs aren't the ones to do him in?
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Ferrumnestra accidentally runs into Gorum, is affronted to see a metal armour that has eluded decay for far too long and casts whatever a god's version of Rusting Grasp would be. Since Gorum IS the armour, he dies.
Ferrumnestra then simply leaves, giving no regard to the pandemonium she has just unleashed.
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I am more interested in the reprecussions of his death than the how or why. The War of Immortals itself will be a majorly destabilizing event, it seems.
For the clergy of Gorum, there is the obvious disempowerment. Their god is dead. He is no longer a font of divine power. However, his death is different from that of Aroden, and true Gorumites are not self-pitying weakling cowards who wallow in resentment and cheated destiny! They would bathe in the Godsrain, take up Gorum's power and metal for themselves, and continue the fight. Gorum lived for the spirit of battle. He taught his followers to relish combat, to never mind the fallen, to live in that moment. Gorum's clergy will likely go from religious organization to an agnostic philosophy focused on self-idealization through trials of combat and war. Some might seek to reforge him, but that's likely to be an eternal struggle in its own right, another war to wage for the sake of the fight. Whether they succeed or not, it is as good a reason to battle as any.
As for the rest of the Inner Sea, I think the War of Immortals, if it spills onto the material, will have interesting results. If it is as huge as it portends to be, I bet the popularity of the Laws of Man from Rahadoum will start to rise as people have witnessed the death of not only a god, but a *very old* one who was there when Rovagug was sealed. That hits at the core of faith in a deity as an eternal cosmic constant. Beyond that, the suffering caused by divine parties in their scrambling for Gorum's portfolio, I bet, will lead to a lot of the conditions that led to Rahadoum's denouncement of religion. Clandestine 'enlightened mortalist' groups invested in reducing the influence of gods and their churches could start to rise up throughout the world... especially once mortals reap the bounty of a dead god's remains for themselves.
This leads to the consequence of the Godsrain itself. Mythic power will now become a resource for countries and their agents to fight over else they risk their rivals gaining incredibly powerful new assets. It'll be a blasphemous arms race, and that isn't even coming close to the heavy involvement of the extraplanar powers looming large over the whole affair.
It will be glorious. Gorum may have died, but he gets the last laugh as the world eulogizes his passing with the greatest wars the world has ever known.
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Oh, yeah we NEED to see the response from Rahadoum about this.
...now I'm wondering, how would that philosophy react to people who are like "yeah I recognize that my god is dead, but I'm still acting in accordance with his teachings"? Because on the one hand, that's subordinating your will to divine whims without even potential bribery of magic; but on the OTHER hand, that's choosing something of your own free mortal will, and the god's not around to DIRECT you to do anything any more.
I predict it'll be resolved as a political issue, more than a philosophical one; since it could go either way, the deciding factor would be "are these people particularly annoying, or are these people valuable allies". (And if they end up NOT widespread interacting with them, then it'd be a case-by-case basis.)
I just had a thought, that there's going to be a popular story going around Rahadoum; one person's saying something like "I don't think the gods are worthy of worship", another person says "may [deity most associated with political enemies at the time of the telling] smite you for that", and then the second person gets smacked by a piece of Gorum's armour. It just seems like the kind of urban legend that gets passed around; something that validates the views of the audience, and makes their opponents look foolish.
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Rahadoum, being a land of scholars, would likely observe that you can also freely choose to walk around with a bucket on your head at all times so that you cannot see what is going on around you. If you choose to do this, you are behaving foolishly and this is not anything we can condone.
People behaving in an antisocial or unproductive fashion is already bad whether or not there's a god involved!
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Oh, yeah we NEED to see the response from Rahadoum about this.
...now I'm wondering, how would that philosophy react to people who are like "yeah I recognize that my god is dead, but I'm still acting in accordance with his teachings"? Because on the one hand, that's subordinating your will to divine whims without even potential bribery of magic; but on the OTHER hand, that's choosing something of your own free mortal will, and the god's not around to DIRECT you to do anything any more.
I predict it'll be resolved as a political issue, more than a philosophical one; since it could go either way, the deciding factor would be "are these people particularly annoying, or are these people valuable allies". (And if they end up NOT widespread interacting with them, then it'd be a case-by-case basis.)
I just had a thought, that there's going to be a popular story going around Rahadoum; one person's saying something like "I don't think the gods are worthy of worship", another person says "may [deity most associated with political enemies at the time of the telling] smite you for that", and then the second person gets smacked by a piece of Gorum's armour. It just seems like the kind of urban legend that gets passed around; something that validates the views of the audience, and makes their opponents look foolish.
I think that they'd welcome former Gorumites, so long as they don't excuse or express love for their dead god, those seeking guidance. The Pure Legion can use that talent. However, I'd say they would find no excuse for those who still carry Gorum's will. It would be seen as the height of hubris. The god *died*, and it was a god who was always a god, not a former mortal-turned-god! What greater proof is there for the fallibility of the divine than for them to do the one thing that should set them aside from mortals? At that point, the only difference is power, and a mortal who abuses power is a tyrant, and so they must be treated the same: with rebellion and eventual overthrowing of their unjust power structure.
That is at least one argument the Rahadoumi philosophers could throw their way. They'll be smart about it, but they will never compromise on the absoluteness of the Laws. That being said, I could absolutely see them appropriating pieces of Gorum's might for their own purposes. This is not submission to the divine, but wholesale inheritance of the power they abused wrongly for the good of mortalkind. It could even be seen as a manifest destiny: the gods fed on the faith of mortals, now they must pay for their parasitism with the bounty housed in their being. This is the only way a god can repay for their role in an unjust cosmic system.
I just wonder if this will stoke imperial ambitions in their hearts. The world is reeling. Rahadoum, being divorced of all deific influence, is in a really good position to do a landgrab from someone. Perhaps they'll swarm western Cheliax?
I am more interested in the reprecussions of his death than the how or why. The War of Immortals itself will be a majorly destabilizing event, it seems.
For the clergy of Gorum, there is the obvious disempowerment. Their god is dead. He is no longer a font of divine power. However, his death is different from that of Aroden, and true Gorumites are not self-pitying weakling cowards who wallow in resentment and cheated destiny! They would bathe in the Godsrain, take up Gorum's power and metal for themselves, and continue the fight. Gorum lived for the spirit of battle. He taught his followers to relish combat, to never mind the fallen, to live in that moment. Gorum's clergy will likely go from religious organization to an agnostic philosophy focused on self-idealization through trials of combat and war. Some might seek to reforge him, but that's likely to be an eternal struggle in its own right, another war to wage for the sake of the fight. Whether they succeed or not, it is as good a reason to battle as any.
As for the rest of the Inner Sea, I think the War of Immortals, if it spills onto the material, will have interesting results. If it is as huge as it portends to be, I bet the popularity of the Laws of Man from Rahadoum will start to rise as people have witnessed the death of not only a god, but a *very old* one who was there when Rovagug was sealed. That hits at the core of faith in a deity as an eternal cosmic constant. Beyond that, the suffering caused by divine parties in their scrambling for Gorum's portfolio, I bet, will lead to a lot of the conditions that led to Rahadoum's denouncement of religion. Clandestine 'enlightened mortalist' groups invested in reducing the influence of gods and their churches could start to rise up throughout the world... especially once mortals reap the bounty of a dead god's remains for themselves.
This leads to the consequence of the Godsrain itself. Mythic power will now become a resource for countries and their agents to fight over else they risk their rivals...
Now that I think about it, one of the hints for upcoming adventures referenced "ultimate power within the grasp of almost countless hands." Some of the bigger shards of Gorum's armour could maybe be used to pull a Starstone. Sturovenen the Dragoneagle will believe that one could be used to reopen the Worldwound, which is why he'll sacrifice himself to get it away (and possibly destroy it).
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Now, another option that'd be totally on-brand is Gorum feeling his essence being 'sucked out' by whatever thing is going on and going "You know what? I choose a different strategy. You Lose."And then self-shanking hard enough to break the ritual and send parts of himself everywhere.
In the end, the only being mighty enough to defeat Gorum...was Gorum himself!
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Spiderman pointing meme but it is Gorum.
Didn't they already explain how Sturovenen ended up exploding in the stream?
There's going to be a piece of Gorum's armor which was going to land in the Worldwound and Sturovenen will sacrifice himself to keeps the various demons that are still hanging around there from getting their hands on it.
Didn't they already explain how Sturovenen ended up exploding in the stream?
He never listened to the advice about not crossing the streams.
Perhaps there could be attempts at going after the lesser powers for their godsblood? The quasi/demi gods would be a lot more vulnerable. Heck, A certain Tyrant could get motivated enough to make another attempt. "After all, I killed a herald once."
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Casandalee creates the godly equivalent of the Holodeck for themself and the other higher existence beings to safely simulate out their machinations without endangering reality.
Gorum pulls a Worf and disables the security protocols and engages himself in a program meant to match his own strength as he has gone so long without having any equal with which to fight and offs himself.
I theorize the opponent was a blue barrel.
Gorum is going to die in a volcano as he takes the ring from Flodo.
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or if Achaekek isn't being corrupted by something
Haha, Achaekek has a bug!
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We know Gorum is killed by Achaekek.
My hope for the story is that something (a ritual maybe) was underway to mutate Gorum (with other war deities involved too). And that rather than being vanquished in such an ignoble way, he went to battle the killer god : the only opponent worthy of killing him.
Or perhaps Gorum was the one who hired Achaekek to kill him? ;)
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Keep the discussion up! I just wanted to note here that since WE were the ones who let it be known that Gorum dies on screen in Prey for Death and who killed him, those should not be flagged as needing spoiler tags. You know the WHO, and you know the WHEN. You even know the WHAT and HOW. But the WHY.... now isnt that an intriguing question.
I like the theory I've seen circulating that Gorum was a false deity, and that discovery made him fair game for Achaekek to take him down. Perhaps Grandmother Spider or Norgerber let Achaekek know that bit of information, but it wasn't known amongst the wider gods, and thus sparks a massive war off that misunderstanding.
Or perhaps Gorum does something that makes him lose what one might call the divine spark, or is subjugated to some form of powerful magic that makes it so? I'm going to have to buy so many AP's to find out, because I wanna read it with my own eyes.
I mean, Szuriel's waving her sword around on the cover of War of Immortals... it feels like that makes things pretty clear.
EDIT: ...though now that I think on it, both Prey for Death and Curtain Call are part of this event. The former's about Achaekek devotees, the latter seems to have Norgorbor-following villains; that's two murder-gods in the air at the same time.
All of them are involve someway in mercenary/assassin work. So a collab for the right price is not out of the question.
The question is that divine murder is a very serious crime and a overstepping of bounds even more then Desna’s murder of Aolar and that almost started a interplanar war before Calistria used her seduction skills to cause the demon lords to fight amongst themselves.
It’s possible that it’s someone else disguised as Achaekek. As Achaekek is the Assassin god and Assassin tend not to kill people in the open in front of the whole multiverse. Trying to get people mad at Achaekek.
Of course exepctions apply. Like how Lincoln was murdered in a play.
It’s worth noting Gorum lived in Elysium and had a military defense pact with them. A attack of Elysiuem is an attack on the whole plane.
Oh, I like the idea of Achaekek bring framed for it! I think the Prey for Death AP involves some of his worshippers trying to clear their names of something, so maybe someone's framing the entire religion? Perhaps Razmir convinces his patron Sivanah to impersonate Achaekek and assassinate Gorum so that Achaekek is prevented from stopping Razmir's attempts to attain godhood...
I have long believed that Pharasma has Achaekek on a leash. She asks very little from him normally, since nearly everybody dies when they need to, but Gorum might have given her a really good reason.
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Oh, I like the idea of Achaekek bring framed for it! I think the Prey for Death AP involves some of his worshippers trying to clear their names of something, so maybe someone's framing the entire religion? Perhaps Razmir convinces his patron Sivanah to impersonate Achaekek and assassinate Gorum so that Achaekek is prevented from stopping Razmir's attempts to attain godhood...I mean, Szuriel's waving her sword around on the cover of War of Immortals... it feels like that makes things pretty clear.
EDIT: ...though now that I think on it, both Prey for Death and Curtain Call are part of this event. The former's about Achaekek devotees, the latter seems to have Norgorbor-following villains; that's two murder-gods in the air at the same time.
All of them are involve someway in mercenary/assassin work. So a collab for the right price is not out of the question.
The question is that divine murder is a very serious crime and a overstepping of bounds even more then Desna’s murder of Aolar and that almost started a interplanar war before Calistria used her seduction skills to cause the demon lords to fight amongst themselves.
It’s possible that it’s someone else disguised as Achaekek. As Achaekek is the Assassin god and Assassin tend not to kill people in the open in front of the whole multiverse. Trying to get people mad at Achaekek.
Of course exepctions apply. Like how Lincoln was murdered in a play.
It’s worth noting Gorum lived in Elysium and had a military defense pact with them. A attack of Elysiuem is an attack on the whole plane.
While this could be sheer coincidence, we also learned about a new Demon Lord in one of the Paizocon panels; they have a name I can't hope to spell correctly and are the Demon Lord of Disguises and Stealing Identities. We were also informed that we would be learning much more about/seeing much more of them pretty soon.
Food for thought.
Makes me think of Razmir and his link to Sivanah.
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I am SO excited for everyone to read/play the adventure and learn all the things.