Mana Wastes could be a pretty crazy battlefield. Wonder if there could be incursions through the Vault/Oprak.
Any other notable planar bleed places that could be neat?
Maybe Treerazor kicks the whole thing off as he finally completes his ascension and drags someone screaming into Tanglebriar.
We've gotten a hint that screams Treerazer.
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We've gotten a hint that screams Treerazer.Mana Wastes could be a pretty crazy battlefield. Wonder if there could be incursions through the Vault/Oprak.
Any other notable planar bleed places that could be neat?
Maybe Treerazor kicks the whole thing off as he finally completes his ascension and drags someone screaming into Tanglebriar.
There's something that sounds a lot like him in the Stolen Fate prophecy and the next Society Special is about the Tanglebriar. It's an appetizing lead, for sure - and after Highhelm/SKT, the Elves could use some spotlight!
There's something that sounds a lot like him in the Stolen Fate prophecy and the next Society Special is about the Tanglebriar. It's an appetizing lead, for sure - and after Highhelm/SKT, the Elves could use some spotlight!We've gotten a hint that screams Treerazer.Mana Wastes could be a pretty crazy battlefield. Wonder if there could be incursions through the Vault/Oprak.
Any other notable planar bleed places that could be neat?
Maybe Treerazor kicks the whole thing off as he finally completes his ascension and drags someone screaming into Tanglebriar.
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Looking at the wiki for Treerazer (annoyed I typo'd the name earlier >.<), it seems like HH dwarves and Kyonin elves are both squaring up with him.
Since we haven't had Torag or Calistria deemed safe, yet, I could see a couple ways either of them could get pulled in.
Torag - Horde of demons marches on HH led by TR. Torag sacrifices himself to protect HH or shield it with his power or something. Explodes. God goo everywhere.
Calistria - TR deals a horrible blow to Kyonin. Bad enough that Calistria cannot let it go unanswered. Violating her own anathema against being consumed by vengeance, she weakens herself and is annihilated. More god goo.
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A god is a person in Pathfinder - if they get killed they die pretty much all at once. The only exception I can imagine in current lore is Norgorber and that'd probably be a reveal that he was 4 people in a trenchcoat the whole time.
The other exception is Shyka. It's conceivable you could spend the rest of your natural life killing Shyka every round, and it's conceivable you'd run out of hours before Shyka runs out of incarnations.
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A god is a person in Pathfinder - if they get killed they die pretty much all at once. The only exception I can imagine in current lore is Norgorber and that'd probably be a reveal that he was 4 people in a trenchcoat the whole time.The other exception is Shyka. It's conceivable you could spend the rest of your natural life killing Shyka every round, and it's conceivable you'd run out of hours before Shyka runs out of incarnations.
Only to find out once those hours end that Shyka only let you get that far was because YOU WERE ALSO SHYKA ALL ALONG!!!
It is fun to try to guess where on Golarion the gods war is going to take place. I imagine much of the corresponding AP will go to the planes, but certainly a lot of it will be fought on Golarion. It could be global, but that moves the story pretty decisively out of the hands of PCs. I mean, we also know that the PCs aren’t likely to directly kill the god, but the AP will be a pretty big point of entry for many players to the story and hopefully some of the NPCs and descriptive detail that doesn’t fit in a rules book.
So Sarkoris seems like one possibility. I am hoping Casmeron personally. I am thinking the Mwangi expanse as a no, unless some Sarenrae/sun god pantheon stuff enters the picture.
There is a part of me that hope that this won't be too focused on Golarion, well, at least for background stuff and maybe reasons for things happening or not happening.
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I think it's interesting that Shyka was the being Luis confirmed safe before anyone else.
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The slowly building dread that it really is going to be Saranrae ain't that much fun, I can tell you...
The slowly building dread that it really is going to be Saranrae ain't that much fun, I can tell you...
I mean, I can completely understand that perspective, but isn't the story and how it helps the setting evolve going to end up being much more important than which specific god/goddess dies in the end? It is not like stories of that god or goddess are going to go away, or that they are going to be forgotten from the setting. I feel like Aroden is more present in Adventure Paths and Golarion Lore than most other gods and goddesses specifically because he did die, so it is possible that being the deity to die is only going make Sarenrae stories and lore even richer and more interesting. That is definitely why I think it is going to be her and am looking forward to it, even if I love her as a deity in the game far more than many others. I would much rather get to explore all the places in the world where her death will be meaningfully felt and lead to changes than Zon Kuthon, Gorum, Iori, or even Desna.
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The thing I'm looking forward to the most, at this point, is the final reveal and people pouring into the different threads saying "I was right! I knew the signs! I read the bones and prognosticated and am very very very smart!" when in actuality so many people have thrown so much spaghetti at the wall that even the stuff that sticks is random chance.
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I think it's interesting that Shyka was the being Luis confirmed safe before anyone else.
I think it's because "we killed Shyka" is the absolutely cheapest cop-out since you technically can "kill Shyka" by killing a single incarnation of Shyka.
It was part of a litany of stuff to sell the idea that "we're actually serious about doing this."
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I mean, I can completely understand that perspective, but isn't the story and how it helps the setting evolve going to end up being much more important than which specific god/goddess dies in the end? It is not like stories of that god or goddess are going to go away, or that they are going to be forgotten from the setting. I feel like Aroden is more present in Adventure Paths and Golarion Lore than most other gods and goddesses specifically because he did die, so it is possible that being the deity to die is only going make Sarenrae stories and lore even richer and more interesting. That is definitely why I think it is going to be her and am looking forward to it, even if I love her as a deity in the game far more than many others. I would much rather get to explore all the places in the world where her death will be meaningfully felt and lead to changes than Zon Kuthon, Gorum, Iori, or even Desna.
I enjoy Saranrae as a goddess more than basically any other fictional god I've read about in any fantasy setting, since I find her focus on redemption (with swift retribution against the unredeemable) to be fascinating. I associate the Pathfinder setting very strongly with her. Hence, her loss would make me very unhappy. Also since I personally find Arazni to be a pretty naff replacement (it should have been Nocticula!), if it turns out to be Saranrae who has to go.
Saying "well, isn't her legacy enough for you?" sounds a bit clinically detached and uninvolved, no offense intended.
Well I'm definitely right and will have known it all along... just so long as nobody actually asks me what I'm right about until publication date... I wouldn't want to spoil it for anybody...
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"Gorum's my bet, Iomedae's my hope" has been my refrain from the start. I'd be very surprised to see anyone from the Prismatic Ray beef it - though that's not say they won't be unscathed.
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Not that many reveals left before we make you wait until the middle of April....
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Not that many reveals left before we make you wait until the middle of April....
Yall are big meanies.
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From a Marketing perspective, it helps to keep in the consciousness as we get to the launch point. From a Community/Social Media side, it makes my job a LOT of fun to watch all the theorizing and reasoning being thrown around back and forth.
Desna is the only member of the core 20 who I find interesting. I'm fine with any of the others dying.
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From a Marketing perspective, it helps to keep in the consciousness as we get to the launch point. From a Community/Social Media side, it makes my job a LOT of fun to watch all the theorizing and reasoning being thrown around back and forth.Also they're secretly meanies. :P
Secretly??
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I enjoy Saranrae as a goddess more than basically any other fictional god I've read about in any fantasy setting, since I find her focus on redemption (with swift retribution against the unredeemable) to be fascinating. I associate the Pathfinder setting very strongly with her. Hence, her loss would make me very unhappy. Also since I personally find Arazni to be a pretty naff replacement (it should have been Nocticula!), if it turns out to be Saranrae who has to go.
Saying "well, isn't her legacy enough for you?" sounds a bit clinically detached and uninvolved, no offense intended.
It has been mentioned a few times that Arazni won't take the mantle of whoever bites it.
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I mean, they're not likely to say it out loud, are they? Not when there are so many more deities to make us agonize over? That's hard work, squeezing out that agony.Secretly??From a Marketing perspective, it helps to keep in the consciousness as we get to the launch point. From a Community/Social Media side, it makes my job a LOT of fun to watch all the theorizing and reasoning being thrown around back and forth.Also they're secretly meanies. :P
Nidalese all of them.
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It has been mentioned a few times that Arazni won't take the mantle of whoever bites it.I enjoy Saranrae as a goddess more than basically any other fictional god I've read about in any fantasy setting, since I find her focus on redemption (with swift retribution against the unredeemable) to be fascinating. I associate the Pathfinder setting very strongly with her. Hence, her loss would make me very unhappy. Also since I personally find Arazni to be a pretty naff replacement (it should have been Nocticula!), if it turns out to be Saranrae who has to go.
Saying "well, isn't her legacy enough for you?" sounds a bit clinically detached and uninvolved, no offense intended.
I'm well aware of that. I mean that I don't think (just my opinion, no need to get upset) that Arazni is a particularly interesting nor deserving option for a top 20 spot. There are numerous deities (Nocticula, Besmara, Kurgess, Milani) who I think would have a made a much more interesting choice than her.
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I think the reveal tomorrow ( which Luis has already hinted ends in a consonant) will go a ways towards solidifying peoples theories. And everyone is entitled to their opinions of course! No one should get upset at that. Like we keep saying, we are going one way with our decisions but your table can go any way it wants. I'm legit interested to see if any tables choose a different god to be the one who shuffles off the coil, and what the ramifications are of that.
I'm well aware of that. I mean that I don't think (just my opinion, no need to get upset) that Arazni is a particularly interesting nor deserving option for a top 20 spot. There are numerous deities (Nocticula, Besmara, Kurgess, Milani) who I think would have a made a much more interesting choice than her.It has been mentioned a few times that Arazni won't take the mantle of whoever bites it.I enjoy Saranrae as a goddess more than basically any other fictional god I've read about in any fantasy setting, since I find her focus on redemption (with swift retribution against the unredeemable) to be fascinating. I associate the Pathfinder setting very strongly with her. Hence, her loss would make me very unhappy. Also since I personally find Arazni to be a pretty naff replacement (it should have been Nocticula!), if it turns out to be Saranrae who has to go.
Saying "well, isn't her legacy enough for you?" sounds a bit clinically detached and uninvolved, no offense intended.
Part of why think they should have a "Top 20 (Setting)" and a "Top 20 (useful for adventurers)", and maybe some regional variants.
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Part of why think they should have a "Top 20 (Setting)" and a "Top 20 (useful for adventurers)", and maybe some regional variants.I'm well aware of that. I mean that I don't think (just my opinion, no need to get upset) that Arazni is a particularly interesting nor deserving option for a top 20 spot. There are numerous deities (Nocticula, Besmara, Kurgess, Milani) who I think would have a made a much more interesting choice than her.It has been mentioned a few times that Arazni won't take the mantle of whoever bites it.I enjoy Saranrae as a goddess more than basically any other fictional god I've read about in any fantasy setting, since I find her focus on redemption (with swift retribution against the unredeemable) to be fascinating. I associate the Pathfinder setting very strongly with her. Hence, her loss would make me very unhappy. Also since I personally find Arazni to be a pretty naff replacement (it should have been Nocticula!), if it turns out to be Saranrae who has to go.
Saying "well, isn't her legacy enough for you?" sounds a bit clinically detached and uninvolved, no offense intended.
The Core 20 are the most well known deities in the Inner Sea region.
There is another Top 20 for most well known deities in Tian Xia.
And then we have had a bit more obscure full regional pantheons such as the Azlanti deities and the ancient Osiriani deities.
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Looks like Zon-Kuthon remains to suffer another day. Interesting, seems like there's a pattern emerging in which god gets a prophecy. In any case, ZK was a popular choice and yet he remains.
Yes, and so far it fits the pattern I've seen emerging. I'm going to guess Part 9 is about Lamashtu and Part 10 is about Iomedae, but I welcome the chance that I'm wrong.
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If Gorum doesn't get one of the next two prophecies, I feel pretty damn good about his odds of dying.
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VERY excited to see what everyones thoughts are by the time the stream rolls around.
VERY excited to see what everyones thoughts are by the time the stream rolls around.
Hope yall are enjoying the hype on your end as much as we all are.
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Oh definitely. I'm MC'ing the stream on April 16th, and we are all having a LOT of fun with the various theories and logic spirals.
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If Gorum doesn't get one of the next two prophecies, I feel pretty damn good about his odds of dying.
They can finally pay off the "why exactly is his stronghold in Elysium" hook!
Since of all the formerly CN deities, he was the least "good" of the lot!
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Desna is the only member of the core 20 who I find interesting. I'm fine with any of the others dying.
Yay!
I know how Folcas was taken out! He was raided by the divine SWAT and resisted arrest.
SWAT: FREEZE!
Folcas: I have my rights!
DAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKA!
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Oh definitely. I'm MC'ing the stream on April 16th, and we are all having a LOT of fun with the various theories and logic spirals.Stream? Will this be live somewhere (if so, where?) or will we have to wait until Paizo releases it on YouTube?
Yep, its gonna be on the Twitch. We will absolutely share the heck out of the announcements beforehand.
Yep, its gonna be on the Twitch. We will absolutely share the heck out of the announcements beforehand.Oh definitely. I'm MC'ing the stream on April 16th, and we are all having a LOT of fun with the various theories and logic spirals.Stream? Will this be live somewhere (if so, where?) or will we have to wait until Paizo releases it on YouTube?
Is this going to be the FIRST announcement of who dies?