The Time for Nuance is OVER


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keftiu wrote:
Eberron's are inoffensive, but don't hook me...

Wait, you're offended by smallfolk?


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Vallisa the Runt wrote:
keftiu wrote:
Eberron's are inoffensive, but don't hook me...
Wait, you're offended by smallfolk?

Inoffensive in that I don't think they're like, bad, I just don't find them interesting.


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Only here to chime in on the Kobold Supremacy. I'd say their head is more salamander like then shark (top thing i didn't know i needed before PF2).

Also for colors i advocate for GoldKobolds, break you chains of darkness and step in to the light!


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Can we compromise and make an ancestry with a mix of both goblin and kobold? A koblin or a gobold?


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Perpdepog wrote:
They're referring to the 3P books coming out that will let you play as a dragon PC.

Written by Mark Seifter, no less!


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Andru C Watkins wrote:
Can we compromise and make an ancestry with a mix of both goblin and kobold? A koblin or a gobold?

How about a poppet sewn to resemble a cross between a goblin and a kobold?


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Mathmuse wrote:
Andru C Watkins wrote:
Can we compromise and make an ancestry with a mix of both goblin and kobold? A koblin or a gobold?
How about a poppet sewn to resemble a cross between a goblin and a kobold?

A popgobold!


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keftiu wrote:
Vallisa the Runt wrote:
keftiu wrote:
Eberron's are inoffensive, but don't hook me...
Wait, you're offended by smallfolk?
Inoffensive in that I don't think they're like, bad, I just don't find them interesting.

Sorry, we don't do nuance here. They're all terrible. Halflings need to be banned.


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TBH I never liked halflings since I don't know what a ling is.


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Andru C Watkins wrote:
Can we compromise and make an ancestry with a mix of both goblin and kobold? A koblin or a gobold?

HERESY!

Liberty's Edge

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Gisher wrote:
Mathmuse wrote:
Andru C Watkins wrote:
Can we compromise and make an ancestry with a mix of both goblin and kobold? A koblin or a gobold?
How about a poppet sewn to resemble a cross between a goblin and a kobold?
A popgobold!

Poppet + Leshy hybrid = Pop-corn ?


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A poppet made to look like a weird kobold/goblin crossbreed, stitched from tanned halfling skin, stuffed with leshy pulp, crafted (and adopted) by an insane gnome who was trying to Make Friends, and raised her to believe that she's a grippli. (It was the easiest explanation that was even slightly plausible for how she wound up looking.) Dressed (by her adopted father) in gnomish style.

I mean, if you're going to make a compromise abomination, you might as well go all the way.


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PossibleCabbage wrote:
TBH I never liked halflings since I don't know what a ling is.

Google says it's a type of fish.


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Sanityfaerie wrote:

A poppet made to look like a weird kobold/goblin crossbreed, stitched from tanned halfling skin, stuffed with leshy pulp, crafted (and adopted) by an insane gnome who was trying to Make Friends, and raised her to believe that she's a grippli. (It was the easiest explanation that was even slightly plausible for how she wound up looking.) Dressed (by her adopted father) in gnomish style.

I mean, if you're going to make a compromise abomination, you might as well go all the way.

Where do the Ysoki and Shoony come in?

I'd ask about Fleshwarps too, but well.


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Perpdepog wrote:
Sanityfaerie wrote:

A poppet made to look like a weird kobold/goblin crossbreed, stitched from tanned halfling skin, stuffed with leshy pulp, crafted (and adopted) by an insane gnome who was trying to Make Friends, and raised her to believe that she's a grippli. (It was the easiest explanation that was even slightly plausible for how she wound up looking.) Dressed (by her adopted father) in gnomish style.

I mean, if you're going to make a compromise abomination, you might as well go all the way.

Where do the Ysoki and Shoony come in?

I'd ask about Fleshwarps too, but well.

I feel like in keeping with the theme of the thread I really ought to say something dismissive and insulting about the dog-rats, but really the answer is that I couldn't come up with any way to include them that I was happy with. If you can come up with a way to best me in this, then by all means feel free.

I did enjoy the bit where I was able to include the fleshwarps without directly mentioning them in any way.


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PossibleCabbage wrote:
TBH I never liked halflings since I don't know what a ling is.

Well, as someone said upthread, a type of fish is one meaning of the word "ling", but the suffix "-ling" is a diminutive, so a halfling is a small half. :-)


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Ed Reppert wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
TBH I never liked halflings since I don't know what a ling is.
Well, as someone said upthread, a type of fish is one meaning of the word "ling", but the suffix "-ling" is a diminutive, so a halfling is a small half. :-)

So, like a quarter then? Or a 5/12ths sort of situation?


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Paizo, can you make a swolbold please?

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Guns and Gears p.54

It's biceps day.

Dark Archive

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Kobold King's return is an omen!

Silver Crusade

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RISE OF THE PLUSHIES!

Wayfinders Contributor

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So how many small ancestries do we have now, anyway?

CORE
Gnome
Goblin
Halfling

UNCOMMON
Grippli
Kobold
Leshy
Ysoki / Ratfolk

RARE
Automatons
Fleshwarps
Poppets
Shoony
Spirites

I keep thinking that Anadi should have had a small option with their adaptive heritage, but I see that I will have plenty of small races to choose from!

Hmm


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Andru C Watkins wrote:
Paizo, can you make a swolbold please?

Seriously! A Heritage that makes you Medium and grants like, Intimidation or Hefty Hauler would go a long way.


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Don't forget the Ant Gnolls.

Are there any other Heritages that change your size?


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thejeff wrote:

Don't forget the Ant Gnolls.

Are there any other Heritages that change your size?

Toy Poppets are tiny instead of small.

Pixie Sprites are small instead of tiny.

That is all I can think of off-hand.


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keftiu wrote:
Andru C Watkins wrote:
Paizo, can you make a swolbold please?
Seriously! A Heritage that makes you Medium and grants like, Intimidation or Hefty Hauler would go a long way.

Here, here!


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Reminds me of the medium goblins we had in 1E. It'd be neat if they came back, too.


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I've been kicking around the idea of a sprite taking the Pactbound Initiate archetype. Tiny for 15 levels and then BOOM. Large at level 16.

Talk about a growth spurt.

Scarab Sages

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Wisp Fetchlings are small.

Wayfinders Contributor

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Revised List of Small & Tiny Ancestries

CORE
Gnome
Goblin
Halfling

UNCOMMON
Fetchling (Wisp Heritage)
Gnoll (Ant Gnoll Heritage)
Grippli
Kobold
Leshy
Ysoki / Ratfolk

RARE
Automatons
Fleshwarps
Poppets*
Shoony
Spirites*

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* Ancestries marked with an asterisk are either tiny or small, depending on heritage.

Grand Archive

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"The Kneecaps of the world are ours!"

Horizon Hunters

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"Ahem!" Zendel looks fustily around the room, and adjusts his monocle. "If anyone starts singing 'It's a Small World after all,' I'm out of here!"

Horizon Hunters

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"Oh, darn!" Jackpot puts away his lute, and then pulls a book of sheet music out of his head. "There must be something else I can play..."

Acquisitives

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"It's a small Golarion after all!" teases Mad Snack.

Horizon Hunters

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"Oh you're right, that makes the song totally different!" Jackpot puts away his songbook and pulls out his lute again. "Happy New Year!" He strums the familiar tune.

♫ Golarian has Halflings
Who just want a snack
And it has Ant Gnolls
With a sharp bite attack
It is has tiny delights
Like Poppets and Sprites!

It's Golarian for the small
It's Golarian for the small
It's Golarian for the small
It's Golarian for the small
(Vine leshies make it a small, small whorl)

There are small Automatons
With gears that click and clack
And sticky toed Grippli
With poisonous backs
Goblins set fire to the beach
So firefighter gnomes do not bleach!

It's Golarian for the small
It's Golarian for the small
It's Golarian for the small
It's Golarian for the small
(Leaf leshies glide with a small, small curl)

There are tinkering Ysoki
With their cheek pouches full
And shadowed Fetchling wisps
That look really cool
Kobolds may look somewhat frail
But they have dragon breath and scales!

It's Golarian for the small
It's Golarian for the small
It's Golarian for the small
It's Golarian for the small
(Fruit leshies have berries like a small, small pearl)

There are monstrous Fleshwarps
With a coating of slime
And cuddly pacifist Shoonies
Who dig through dirt and grime
That's uncommon, rare and core
Though we wish there were more!

It's Golarian for the small
It's Golarian for the small
It's Golarian for the small
It's Golarian for the small
(Lotus leshies float with a small, small twirl) ♫


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"If their hands are higher than your head, their groin is level with your teeth."--Terry Pratchett, Dwarven proverb.


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That is actually a pretty nice song, Jackpot the Leshy, thank you. :)

Horizon Hunters

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Thank you! I may have to come up with more verses as they release more small ancestries. Because if there is one thing this thread has proven, there are not enough small and tiny ancestries yet. My favorite part so far has been coming up with new leshy heritage bits for the chorus, because my goodness there are a lot of leshy heritages!


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I understand that we're soon to receive a skeleton heritage that comes in small, for what it's worth.

I'm entertained by the idea of a tiny undead (skeleton) familiar inside of a small skeleton PC inside of a medium undead (skeleton) companion inside of a large undead (skeleton) eidolon playing silly Matryoshka doll games... but admittedly, that's starting to get off-topic.


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We have tiny fey (sprites) already. So what is the excuse for no gremlins?!?!?

*snit!*


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Sanityfaerie wrote:
I'm entertained by the idea of a tiny undead (skeleton) familiar inside of a small skeleton PC inside of a medium undead (skeleton) companion inside of a large undead (skeleton) eidolon playing silly Matryoshka doll games... but admittedly, that's starting to get off-topic.

Mmm... Eldritch turducken.


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Master Pugwampi wrote:

We have tiny fey (sprites) already. So what is the excuse for no gremlins?!?!?

*snit!*

It's because they are filthy filthy beasts, and do not deserve representation.

Well, okay. That's not fair. Basing representation on hygiene is just another way to discriminate against the poor, and the example of the goblins has indicated that it can be easily fixed with proper socialization. Gremlins are no more beasts than the rest of us - indeed, far less, given their fey ancestry. They...

Darnit, I'm trying, okay?


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I think it's more that gremlins are unapologetically evil and enjoy breaking things, or stealing things, or breaking and then stealing things.


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Perpdepog wrote:
I think it's more that gremlins are unapologetically evil and enjoy breaking things, or stealing things, or breaking and then stealing things.

Like goblins!


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Sanityfaerie wrote:
Perpdepog wrote:
I think it's more that gremlins are unapologetically evil and enjoy breaking things, or stealing things, or breaking and then stealing things.
Like goblins!

Goblins aren't the personification of household accidents made manifest by the First World like gremlins are though.


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Perpdepog wrote:
Sanityfaerie wrote:
Perpdepog wrote:
I think it's more that gremlins are unapologetically evil and enjoy breaking things, or stealing things, or breaking and then stealing things.
Like goblins!
Goblins aren't the personification of household accidents made manifest by the First World like gremlins are though.

So now you're discriminating against them based on their origins?


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There's vast room for nuance around the framing of "fey" as being separate from mortal beings, fey being allegorical for forces of nature and mortal beings being allegorical for, well, people.

But unfortunately, we killed nuance. It's not allowed anymore. So yes. Yes we are.


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Kobold Catgirl wrote:

There's vast room for nuance around the framing of "fey" as being separate from mortal beings, fey being allegorical for forces of nature and mortal beings being allegorical for, well, people.

But unfortunately, we killed nuance. It's not allowed anymore. So yes. Yes we are.

Bah. I knew I should have gone with "That's what they want you to think." Ah, well. Too late now.

Wayfinders Contributor

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Has anyone seen the Kashriki from Lost Omens Impossible Lands yet? Small psychic rhinos! A new small race to love.


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Kashriki are so cute. And also a little bit bug themed too which is a super cool surprise.

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