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Laughing Shadow focus looks like it's called Magnetic Acceleration, Magus Thrown the weapon, but he don't release it so he goes together with it.
Edit: It's a ranged attack roll, so Laughing shadow is mainly dex based.
Tame is a new cantrip - Charm but only on domestic animals.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I don't believe Magnetic Acceleration is the Laughing Shadow's focus spell.
It's typically using the spell to accelerate an object towards the target as a ranged attack roll, dealing 3d6 bludgeoning + 3d6 piercing damage at (spell) level 3. But since Dond (the Magus) was using it for his Spellstrike, Jason described the sword itself accelerating, carrying Dond with him. No actual movement was done.
So from the rumoured use in the steam it sounds like the magus focus spells will work as:
Two action spell effectively granting three actions (2 + recharge)
- Sword and board : strike, raise a shield
- Staff : strike twice (I assume with MAP)
- One hand : move and strike (seemingly)What isn’t clear is if an how they could scale. The staff could attack more people and the one hand could be a quicker movement. No idea on the sword and board one
Based on the above how do people think the ranged and two handed focus spells could work?
Fire two shots doesn’t seem right for ranged as it would only work for bows.
The shield one that we have complete text of it don't have scaling. Not every focus spell have heightening effects.
Laughing Shadow focus looks like it's called Magnetic Acceleration, Magus Thrown the weapon, but he don't release it so he goes together with it.
Edit: It's a ranged attack roll, so Laughing shadow is mainly dex based.
Tame is a new cantrip - Charm but only on domestic animals.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I don't believe Magnetic Acceleration is the Laughing Shadow's focus spell.
It's typically using the spell to accelerate an object towards the target as a ranged attack roll, dealing 3d6 bludgeoning + 3d6 piercing damage at (spell) level 3. But since Dond (the Magus) was using it for his Spellstrike, Jason described the sword itself accelerating, carrying Dond with him. No actual movement was done.
Yup, looking the stream again, you are right, my mistake, sorry.
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The shield one that we have complete text of it don't have scaling. Not every focus spell have heightening effects.So from the rumoured use in the steam it sounds like the magus focus spells will work as:
Two action spell effectively granting three actions (2 + recharge)
- Sword and board : strike, raise a shield
- Staff : strike twice (I assume with MAP)
- One hand : move and strike (seemingly)What isn’t clear is if an how they could scale. The staff could attack more people and the one hand could be a quicker movement. No idea on the sword and board one
Based on the above how do people think the ranged and two handed focus spells could work?
Fire two shots doesn’t seem right for ranged as it would only work for bows.
True, but it does allow you to Strike and to either raise your shield or cast the Shield cantrip if you have it and that does scale the hardness of the shield; all for the cost of a single action. Furthermore, Raise A Tome gives you an AC bonus and can be used in tandem with Sparkling Targe. Paizo also stated that they had ideas about expanding Raise a Tome with more feats, and there is now apparently a 6th level feat that lets you fuse a magic shield into your tome. That is if you want to spend the feat slots to specialize your magus this way.
The shield one that we have complete text of it don't have scaling. Not every focus spell have heightening effects.So from the rumoured use in the steam it sounds like the magus focus spells will work as:
Two action spell effectively granting three actions (2 + recharge)
- Sword and board : strike, raise a shield
- Staff : strike twice (I assume with MAP)
- One hand : move and strike (seemingly)What isn’t clear is if an how they could scale. The staff could attack more people and the one hand could be a quicker movement. No idea on the sword and board one
Based on the above how do people think the ranged and two handed focus spells could work?
Fire two shots doesn’t seem right for ranged as it would only work for bows.
We have complete text for. Where ?
It was a screen cap of that part of the SoM PDF provided by one of the developers/designers on the Discord during PaizoCon; Logan Bonner, if I recall correctly. Unfortunately, that Discord server no longer has those chats available, unless you are lucky enough to know someone who has captured and preserved it.
Do we know how many actions it was? It sounds like 2 since it functions as three - strike, raise and recharge ?
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Here is the shield + Strike focus spell:
Shielding Strike
Oh my god it's beautiful.
Don't mind if it doesn't recharge your spellstrike, it's awesome in terms of possibilities.
I believe it does based on the context. I imagine whatever grants the focus spell or the Spellstrike feature itself would in some way allow for the conflux spells (which this should be) to recharge Spellstrike.
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Sorta makes me wish Refocus 2 came online sooner though with how many of these cool things the Magus seems to have.
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I believe it does based on the context. I imagine whatever grants the focus spell or the Spellstrike feature itself would in some way allow for the conflux spells (which this should be) to recharge Spellstrike.Oh my god it's beautiful.
Don't mind if it doesn't recharge your spellstrike, it's awesome in terms of possibilities.
Are you saying that any magus focus spell would also recharge the spellstrike ability?
If so, looking at the focus spells we have on the playtest pdf, especially hasted assoult, I think it might be ok.
Still getting used to the 2 action spellstrike + recharge in terms of possibilities ( and now considering also that any [magus] tag focus spell would work as recharge ).
That I don't know. My current guess is just focus spells granted from your hybrid study (I believe called Conflux spells) will recharge it, I just wanted to state that it seems more likely than not Striking Shield will recharge Spellstrike despite not including that in the text (and without any tag that implies it).
We'll find out in a few weeks, I suspect!
I guess it makes sense. There are feats that give 2 actions for 1 or 3 for 2. And focus spells have a much more limited use than something like sudden charge or double slice
Hence the one action (I am assuming the “third” action is the recharge of spellstrike )
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I believe it does based on the context. I imagine whatever grants the focus spell or the Spellstrike feature itself would in some way allow for the conflux spells (which this should be) to recharge Spellstrike.Oh my god it's beautiful.
Don't mind if it doesn't recharge your spellstrike, it's awesome in terms of possibilities.
It is indeed the Hybrid Study (in this case, Sparkling Targe) that grants the focus spell (Sparkling Targe, Starlit Span, Twisting Tree, Laughing Shadow, or Inexorable Iron). Hybrid Studies grant different abilities along with a conflux spell for that Hybrid Study. A Conflux Spell provides a special Strike attack and recharges your Spell Strike simultaneously. When using Laughing Shadow, Arcane Cascade grants a speed boost and a conflux spell where you can teleport and attack. Twisting Tree grants the Spinning Staff Attack conflux spell and you can use a casting staff with that Hybrid Study, too. When using Inexorable Iron, Arcane Cascade grants temporary hit points each round. Starlit Span lets you make a Ranged Strike with Spell Strike.
Otherwise, recharging Spell Strike takes a single action without using other class features, like the conflux spells granted by the hybrid studies.
We do not yet know all the conflux spells available. But, we do know a couple:
- Spinning Staff Attack – Strikes 2 opponents at once while you recharge Spell Strike.
- Force Fang - Lets you essentially bite a creature with force magic. We have 3 quotes from Paizo developers regarding this conflux spell:
- “Yeah don't sleep on that one, it is low key one of their best expansion options for focus spells at low levels.”
- “A magus with like move->spell strike; force fang spell strike on two turns is going to wreck house.”
-“Like force fang is very strong but it's not an action economy Strike thing, it's reliable force damage and I love it.”
Also, in regards to conflux spells, we have the following quotes from Paizo staff during PaizoCon:
- “Yeah options to expand your focus spells.”
- “I may be communicating it poorly to get a double headcano, it's like how other classes have feats to expand out your focus spells to include more and often increase pool size. But the ones for magus are pretty great, especially Force Fang.”
And when asked, “Are all Magus Focus Spells action condensers that involve hitting a thing in some way or are there some cool flavorful ones outside of the ones in the playtest?”, one Paizo staff member responded, “The hybrid study specific ones are that, but very few of the others are.”
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It also allows MC characters to pick up the focus spell, but not the ability to recharge their spell strike, if the recharge is tied to the class feature and not the spell itself.
A speed boost with arcane cascade seems very strong. I know panache does this but given you can enter cascade far more easily (just by casting a cantrip) that seems a great option
Might make my brother change his mind on what hybrid study to pick with his elf magus. We are doing a kind of guess version of laughing shadow at the moment but he is interested in the staff one. He might stick with laughing shadow when the final release comes out
Biggest flaw for the staff one to me seems to be the stats required as it becomes a medium armour strength one which isn’t really the fantasy of twirling a staff around
Indeed there is quite a lot to the trope of someone dextrously spinning a staff or spear (think oberyn martell). Would be cool if there was a general feat that gave weapons of a certain dice size and below the finesse trait. Probably wouldn’t be game breaking if you fixed it at D8 and below . That is only one step higher than what finesse currently does
First I have heard of force fang. Where was it mentioned ? I don’t recall it from the paizocon panel. Perhaps the associated chat ?
I have no idea what a "headcano" is, much less a double headcano.
A speed boost with arcane cascade seems very strong. I know panache does this but given you can enter cascade far more easily (just by casting a cantrip) that seems a great option
I wouldn't say it's that easier, it still takes your whole round (2 actions to cast a spell, one to enter the stance) whereas you can gain panache in a single action.
I wouldn't say it's that easier, it still takes your whole round (2 actions to cast a spell, one to enter the stance) whereas you can gain panache in a single action.A speed boost with arcane cascade seems very strong. I know panache does this but given you can enter cascade far more easily (just by casting a cantrip) that seems a great option
Two actions but it is a guarantee.
You can fail to get panache depending on the dice roll. Or a suitable scenario doesn’t come up. It has happened many times in the game I currently play in with one full swash and one multiclass
Magus will pretty much always have occasion to case spells. And some can even be one action cantrips
So I would definitely say it is easier to pull off successfully.
More expensive (in terms of action) - often but for things you may be doing anyway such as spellstrike or the focus spell
Easier - absolutely
I wouldn't say it's that easier, it still takes your whole round (2 actions to cast a spell, one to enter the stance) whereas you can gain panache in a single action.A speed boost with arcane cascade seems very strong. I know panache does this but given you can enter cascade far more easily (just by casting a cantrip) that seems a great option
Well have the shield cantrip that is one action but still 2 actions on your turn for that.
Also the focus spells that looks that are often 1 action, but as you will mainly use it to recharge spellstrike then you will not have until like turn 2 or 3 that way.
I guess that Jump spell might be the easiest way to activate with like Jump + Cascade + Strike.
I wouldn't say it's that easier, it still takes your whole round (2 actions to cast a spell, one to enter the stance) whereas you can gain panache in a single action.A speed boost with arcane cascade seems very strong. I know panache does this but given you can enter cascade far more easily (just by casting a cantrip) that seems a great option
Two actions but it is a guarantee.
You can fail to get panache depending on the dice roll. Or a suitable scenario doesn’t come up. It has happened many times in the game I currently play in with one full swash and one multiclass
Magus will pretty much always have occasion to case spells. And some can even be one action cantrips
So I would definitely say it is easier to pull off successfully.
More expensive (in terms of action) - often but for things you may be doing anyway such as spellstrike or the focus spell
Easier - absolutely
The main thing is that 2 actions (this is using 1 action cantrip + 1 action to enter the stance, using a normal spell makes that 3 actions) is super heavy on Magus action economy that is very busy.
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It is easier but not that much, Panache isn't that hard to come by.
Still takes 2 third to one full round to get in your stance so it can delay you quite a bit.
A swashbuckler can get his Panache in the movement he takes to go through an enemy to get in flanking position. Sure, has a chance to fail, but I'd say it balances each other out nicely:
Magus is safe/guaranteed but "slow".
Swashbuckler is fast but has a risk.
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I think spell strike is only going to work with offense spells with the way it is set up...meaning there won't be many cantrip ways for doing it with a one action spell.
You mean spell cascade ? I think it'll be triggered by any spell.
I think spell strike is only going to work with offense spells with the way it is set up...meaning there won't be many cantrip ways for doing it with a one action spell.
It's only with spell attacks, works just like Eldritch Shot, but instead of full 3 actions is a 2 to use +1 action recharge. So you could use with Telekinetic Maneuver per example to trip or shove with it on a hit.
It's is said to have a feat that let you use with save spells, but the creature still make a save after you hit it, being more an "action compression" feat.
You mean spell cascade ? I think it'll be triggered by any spell.
Yeah any spell, the damage type of cascade looks like is defined by the school type like Bespell weapon.
Action economy is still pretty worth it tbh. Also opens to use area save spells on a single target without affecting allies.
Hopefully there is more area spellstrikes tho'.
Like turning a burst in a cone on impact.
Imagine firing a spellstrike arrow at someone and the explosion expands behind them
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Isn't there a feat that allows you to send a ray at another enemy after a spell strike? I could see other effects like this, maybe not in this book, but in future ones.Action economy is still pretty worth it tbh. Also opens to use area save spells on a single target without affecting allies.
Hopefully there is more area spellstrikes tho'.
Like turning a burst in a cone on impact.
Imagine firing a spellstrike arrow at someone and the explosion expands behind them
Cascading Ray changed with the way that they said, that is an action after you use spellstrike to do a little more damage with it.
Yeah there is.
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I believe it does based on the context. I imagine whatever grants the focus spell or the Spellstrike feature itself would in some way allow for the conflux spells (which this should be) to recharge Spellstrike.Oh my god it's beautiful.
Don't mind if it doesn't recharge your spellstrike, it's awesome in terms of possibilities.
I believe that isn't the case though. In the discord panel at Paizocon they said most focus spells for the magus would recharge spellstrike but not all of them would. In fact, I believe that they used this one as an example of one that doesn't recharge it.
I believe that isn't the case though. In the discord panel at Paizocon they said most focus spells for the magus would recharge spellstrike but not all of them would. In fact, I believe that they used this one as an example of one that doesn't recharge it.I believe it does based on the context. I imagine whatever grants the focus spell or the Spellstrike feature itself would in some way allow for the conflux spells (which this should be) to recharge Spellstrike.Oh my god it's beautiful.
Don't mind if it doesn't recharge your spellstrike, it's awesome in terms of possibilities.
Hm. I feel like that was the force fang spell that did not recharge Spellstrike, but I could totally be wrong.
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Xethik is right about the Conflux spells granted by the Hybrid Studies at least being able to recharge the Spellstrike. But Invictus is also right that not all Conflux spells will recharge the Spellstrike.
Force Fang was used as the example as not recharging Spellstrike, but instead is a really strong, reliable source of force damage. Shielding Strike is the Conflux spell granted by the Sword-and-Board Hybrid Study, so for 1 Action and 1 Focus Point a Magus can Strike + Raise a Shield/Cast Shield + Recharge.
Xethik is right about the Conflux spells granted by the Hybrid Studies at least being able to recharge the Spellstrike. But Invictus is also right that not all Conflux spells will recharge the Spellstrike.
Force Fang was used as the example as not recharging Spellstrike, but instead is a really strong, reliable source of force damage. Shielding Strike is the Conflux spell granted by the Sword-and-Board Hybrid Study, so for 1 Action and 1 Focus Point a Magus can Strike + Raise a Shield/Cast Shield + Recharge.
The quote given by Ashanderai seems to imply that Force Fang does recharge spellstrike:
- “A magus with like move->spell strike; force fang spell strike on two turns is going to wreck house.”
The thing Force Fang was stated to not be is an action compresser like Shielding Strike or, to use a more familiar example from another class, Flurry of Blows.
Well, Force Fang is still attack+recharge so even then it stays a pretty good action economy. (though it costs a focus point so that's fair)
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3 weeks and some change!
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Subscribers will start getting them in the next week or two, baring delays.
I am so ready!!!
If all goes well, we should get the email for the orders this Thursday and Friday.
And then Shipping should start on Monday the 9th.
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Subscribers don't always actually get the pdf early, some lucky few do. The further you are from the Paizo office, the later they tend to ship your order, so if you're outside the US don't get too excited.
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Subscribers don't always actually get the pdf early, some lucky few do. The further you are from the Paizo office, the later they tend to ship your order, so if you're outside the US don't get too excited.
Which is crazy considering the farther you are the longer it would take to ship and thus the sooner they should ship. Unless of course it is shipping from another location (very possible and likely).
If your observation is accurate, the only thing I can think as to why, would be if they want to give preferential treatment to those closer to the office to create more buzz in their geographical area. of course, it could be as simple as a sort by zip/regional code starting with theirs (odd way to sort, but possible).
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Did the release date change? I had this in my calendar for a couple weeks earlier.
The original release date was August 5th, but it got pushed back to August 25th. So far, we haven't heard anything about any more delays, so hopefully the 25th is the final date in mind.
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Secretly hoping they just make the pdf available on the 25th since the delays seem to be external shipping delays. I doubt they will but it would be nice to allow people to get the book in some way whole shipping issues are happening.Did the release date change? I had this in my calendar for a couple weeks earlier.The original release date was August 5th, but it got pushed back to August 25th. So far, we haven't heard anything about any more delays, so hopefully the 25th is the final date in mind.
Never fear. The product page still has August 25 as the release date, so, as long as that doesn’t change, the pdf will be available on that date.
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Secretly hoping they just make the pdf available on the 25th since the delays seem to be external shipping delays. I doubt they will but it would be nice to allow people to get the book in some way whole shipping issues are happening.Did the release date change? I had this in my calendar for a couple weeks earlier.The original release date was August 5th, but it got pushed back to August 25th. So far, we haven't heard anything about any more delays, so hopefully the 25th is the final date in mind.
They won't. The Ruby Phoenix AP had volumes that were delayed in port for several months and they still waited till shipment to release PDFs. I wouldn't expect them to bend for this.
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They won't. The Ruby Phoenix AP had volumes that were delayed in port for several months and they still waited till shipment to release PDFs. I wouldn't expect them to bend for this.Secretly hoping they just make the pdf available on the 25th since the delays seem to be external shipping delays. I doubt they will but it would be nice to allow people to get the book in some way whole shipping issues are happening.Did the release date change? I had this in my calendar for a couple weeks earlier.The original release date was August 5th, but it got pushed back to August 25th. So far, we haven't heard anything about any more delays, so hopefully the 25th is the final date in mind.
Well, traveller, you have come to two heads giving contradictory advice, which one always tells the truth, and which one always lies?
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Yeah, they'd probably push back the release date for the pdf, they've talked about it being a betrayal of FLGS if they don't do that when the physical products are delayed. I don't know if their minds would ever change of that, but its what we know of their rationale.
For the record, usually Subscribers do get their books early, its not a guarantee but its pretty reliable (if we're talking about pdfs) the trouble is that you can't be sure of how early you'll get it, even my 'late books' involved me getting the pdf before it was available to those without a subscription, since I've had my subs for two years now, that's an incredibly reliable track record.
The reason it isn't a guarantee seems to be because if the shipping window is pushed back for whatever reason, it can be pushed far enough to overlap with the release date, then if you get it late in the subscriber shipping process, its possible for your physical copy to go out after the pdfs become available (which are instantly fulfilled), and your physical book going out is the trigger for your pdf so...
International Orders do seem to face more problems getting fulfilled 'early' I'm guessing they're just in a different, smaller wave, which fires after the domestic ones, that makes sense if they're handled in a way that they basically need to go out all at once.