Is it just me or...


Pathfinder Second Edition General Discussion


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...are d4 REALLY unsatisfying to roll?

My current character is a Redeemer of Desna and is using a Starknife.
But honestly, I would kick two of it's trait out of the window to have it up to d6. I kind of hoped it would be better once I have the rune of striking.
And then, seeing two pyramids slide on the table to show me that I did 5 damage (including Strength modifier) is just no fun...


A rare on of these that I agree with. Mainly because they don’t actually “roll”


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Lanathar wrote:
A rare on of these that I agree with. Mainly because they don’t actually “roll”

You’re welcome!


I once found a d4 which was basically shaped like a d6 but had 2 sides rounded so it could not get stuck on a blank

My gf was very happy since she hates d4 even more then me.

But still, even id they would roll. It kind of feels like d4 weapons are rarely worth the hassle. I am perfectly fine with not making the most damage, rolling d6.
But when I have a d4 weapon and roll for damage I am never really satisfied.
(But I love the concept of the friggin starknife >_>)

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I'm quite satisfied with gauntlet and punching :3

(Should we be worried about your gf hating you?)


What?
Nah, with my gf is everything fine

She hates d4 more then I hate them :P

Dark Archive

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Oh oki, misread the sentence xD

Sovereign Court

You could roll a d8 and cut the result in half... so a 1-2 = a 1, 3-4 = a 2, etc...

Silver Crusade

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D4 is basically a gamified caltrop.


Seisho wrote:
...are d4 REALLY unsatisfying to roll?

ABSOLUTELY!


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

I purchased a dice tower at a con last year. It is really satisfying using it to roll all dice, even d4s.

Dice Tower This one is pretty simple. It folds down and is pretty easy to transport to game days. There are plenty of much more elaborate towers out there. I've also seen a video or two on youtube showing how to make a simple dice tower if you're on a budget.


I'm fond of my old dice set, so I'll probably keep using my black pyramid-shaped d4 forever; but a friend of mine has one of those d4 with a different shape (Four faces (square prisms)) that actually rolls. That would solve most issues I think.


Yup give the poor D12 some love, and divide by three

EDIT: "Pathfinder RPG Superscriber"? Ooooh undeserved promotion!


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Chessex sells Roman numeral d4s, that are 12 sided, have I, II, III, IV each three times on the die. They are by far my favorite d4s.


Gorbacz wrote:
D4 is basically a gamified caltrop.

Only if you keep the points sharpened, which means you can't roll them too often. But who likes rolling d4 anyway?

You can (or could) get sets of dice that are pencil-like, I've got a set with a d4 (eight faces, 1 to 4 repeated), d6 (six faces), d8 (eight faces) and d10 percentile (ten faces, one has number 0 to 90, the other 1 to 19). I've always liked them.

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The point is irrelevant, legos are caltrops and their points aren’t sharp at all.

It’s the focusing on a single point that gives you the owies.


Just roll D8s and divide by 2.


You could purchase some dreidels... in bulk. (Isn't internet shopping grand?)


If you mean the physical act of jostling them about only to watch them plop and slide and maybe tip over just the once on the table... no.

But 25% chance of rolling maximum? I'm in to that feel.

My significant other has some 8-sided d4s she really likes (they are blunt-tipped d8s numbered 1-4 twice rather than 1-8) though. They're the only d4s she'll roll.


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Gorbacz wrote:
D4 is basically a gamified caltrop.

*Enters thread to make joke. Notices that the sentient bag has already made the joke.*

Hmm.

*Looks around.*

Ok then.

*Backs away slowly.*


I sometimes find D4's annoying to roll on a physical level, but if I really cared that much there are a lot of options (like sort of spindle shaped ones similar to the D6 referenced earlier, or D8's with 1-4 twice).

Regarding the damage--low damage is supposed to be low damage.

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Seisho wrote:
...are d4 REALLY unsatisfying to roll?

If you are referring to the physical die, then as mentioned above, get yourself some 12-sided d4's and roll the hell out of them!

If you are referring to damage results, d4 really isn't all that different mathematically compared to a d6. The advantage of the starknife is in its flexibility and multipurpose functionality. It does a lot more than just poke your enemy. If you are not building your character to take advantage of those features, might as well just use a dagger. Make sure you are optimizing your static damage so the d4 has less of a statistical impact on the result.

At higher levels you are really going to "feel the burn" when you are rolling 2d4+x vs the martials rolling 2d8(or more)+x. If you are a rogue, make sure you are sneaking attacking. If you are a caster, take advantage of any magic that can help you. Guidance, true strike, enlarge, etc. all boost your effective DpR.

Wihtout seeing the build its hard to respond, but another thing to consider is the character's theme. Sometimes, sticking true to the theme of your build is more important that a few more points of damage.

Explore! Report! Cooperate!


Seisho wrote:
...are d4 REALLY unsatisfying to roll?

Try stepping on one...

But since they don't roll on the table, I suggest just tossing them upwards more then sideways, sliding your hand under them as you make the movement to impart some spin on them. That way, they do the spinning and tumbling in the air, and you can get a bounce out of them on the right surface too.


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I like d4s :(

Shadow Lodge

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WatersLethe wrote:
I like d4s :(

You are not alone.


roll them in a cup


Well, rolling them is only half the story, the other is that, well d4 weapons barely seem to be worth the effort when you have one handed d8 and some d12 weapons laying around

Verdant Wheel

Not sure if this helps but:

How about put the Returning quality on your starknife, and dual-wield it with a second higher-die weapon?

This would allow you to faithfully find a use for your deity's favored weapon by adding optional but lethal range to your melee arsenal.

Lastly, I share with above posters the joy of rolling caltrops - the sound they make is "clackier" as a result of their greatest divergence from a spherical shape compared to their brother and sister pythagorean solids...


Buy a d120 and throw out all your other dice.

Divide by 30 to get a d4.
Divide by 20 to get a d6.
Divide by 15 to get a d8.
Divide by 12 to get a d10.
Divide by 10 to get a d12.
Divide by 6 to get a d20.


You are right a d120 is very versatile. You can even have rare dice like:

Divide by 40 get a d3.
Divide by 24 get a d5.
Divide by 8 get a d15.
Divide by 5 get a d24.
Divide by 4 get a d30.
Divide by 3 get a d40.
Divide by 2 get a d60.

But man are d120s difficult to read.


Temperans wrote:

You are right a d120 is very versatile. You can even have rare dice like:

Divide by 40 get a d3.
Divide by 24 get a d5.
Divide by 8 get a d15.
Divide by 5 get a d24.
Divide by 4 get a d30.
Divide by 3 get a d40.
Divide by 2 get a d60.

But man are d120s difficult to read.

Just make it larger... roll a small bowling ball...

Verdant Wheel

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One die to roll them all!

edit: sorry not sorry

Liberty's Edge

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...silently fantasizes about buying everyone's unwanted d4 and creating my own caltop bags...


Metal d4 are basically caltrops. I can't imagine someone stepping on that *shudders*


rainzax wrote:

One die to roll them all!

edit: sorry not sorry

You are forgiven, brother.


Seisho wrote:
And then, seeing two pyramids slide on the table to show me that I did 5 damage (including Strength modifier) is just no fun...

You think that is bad? I rolled 5d6 and rolled 10 damage... against a creature with DR 10.

On another note you can get a wide range of dice: PIC
This set has: D3, D4, D5, D6, D7, D8, D9, D10, D%10, D11, D12, D13, D14, D15, D16, D17, D18, D19, D20, D22, D24, D26, D28 & D30

/cevah


Cevah wrote:
This set has: D3, D4, D5, D6, D7, D8, D9, D10, D%10, D11, D12, D13, D14, D15, D16, D17, D18, D19, D20, D22, D24, D26, D28 & D30

Or you could just buy a d232792560.


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Cevah wrote:
Seisho wrote:
And then, seeing two pyramids slide on the table to show me that I did 5 damage (including Strength modifier) is just no fun...

You think that is bad? I rolled 5d6 and rolled 10 damage... against a creature with DR 10.

On another note you can get a wide range of dice: PIC
This set has: D3, D4, D5, D6, D7, D8, D9, D10, D%10, D11, D12, D13, D14, D15, D16, D17, D18, D19, D20, D22, D24, D26, D28 & D30

/cevah

That picture is like a dice based nightmare horrorscape. Most of them look like they are in the process of melting and falling apart.

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