Lord Fyre RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32 |
Lord Fyre RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32 |
Lord Fyre RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32 |
Bloodrealm |
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Bloodrealm wrote:Several of these are not mutually exclusive. Also, I agree with Lord Fyre that posting a new Paladin thread is a bad idea.Does posting a Paladin thread cause an irreversible alignment change toward Evil?
I don't think it's THAT severe in and of itself. Doing it on purpose while already knowing the consequences might, though.
graystone |
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graystone wrote:8. drop alignments all together and change paladin to 'holy fighting guy'.Well we already know this isn't happening. Paizo apparently revealed earlier today that alignment us still a part of PF2.
It's part of the playtest... Nothing says it HAS to be part of the final product. ;)
EDIT: If nothing else, I'd like it to lose ANY mechanical relevance if it MUST be kept.
Magic 8-Ball says... |
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Orthos wrote:It's part of the playtest... Nothing says it HAS to be part of the final product. ;)graystone wrote:8. drop alignments all together and change paladin to 'holy fighting guy'.Well we already know this isn't happening. Paizo apparently revealed earlier today that alignment us still a part of PF2.
Don't count on it.
PossibleCabbage |
For me, the first one is closest to what I want since I don't want Paladins as "Holy Warriors" in the sense that they fight for a specific diety or church. I'd prefer to play LG Paladins who don't worship any deity, but thinks a great number of appropriate deities are on the right track ("but Erastil's gotta lighten up, Cayden has to learn responsibility, Shelyn's Gotta be more assertive, and Iomedae is still new at this and we all make mistakes"). Paladins should be fundamentally concerned with creating beneficial outcomes and preventing bad ones not for the greater glory of divine beings.
graystone |
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graystone wrote:Don't count on it.Orthos wrote:It's part of the playtest... Nothing says it HAS to be part of the final product. ;)graystone wrote:8. drop alignments all together and change paladin to 'holy fighting guy'.Well we already know this isn't happening. Paizo apparently revealed earlier today that alignment us still a part of PF2.
*shrug* I hope nothing is set in stone or it limits the usefulness of having a playtest. I know I keep advocating for alignment removal until the actual 2e rules et comes out: worst case i'm stuck with the same old crappy system... :P
Lord Fyre RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32 |
William Werminster |
Just for the sake of sharing my thoughts, the Paladin as an ideal attached to a class should be:
1. LG
2. Dedicated to an Order, not directly involved with the God/Goddess (i.e: Order of the Brave Companions of Caiden Caylean).
This kind of Paladin can coexist perfectly with other Heralds, Knights, Avengers, Doomknights, Feyservants and a myriad of 'Divine Champions not called paladins'. I hope to see a day when 'the order of my sacred cow' and 'the order of the death to the sacred cows' can live in harmony.
Fav 1, don't know the difference between option 1 and 2 though.
Shinigami02 |
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For those that say they don't understand the difference between 1 and 2, my interpretation is that 1 is "Powered by the concepts of Law and Good" while 2 is "Powered by Divinity (e.g. Gods)". That said, I'm with Darigaaz's 7. Paladins as Sacred Champion of Good, vs Antipaladin Unholy Champions of Evil. Then again, I'm biased because Law and I do not get along.
graystone |
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Watching the any alignment option get BTFO by LG only is just....pretty much the best thing on this forum.
It really isn't if you add up the results of the other options: you have almost as many that want something OTHER than 1-2 as there is a more diverse opinion as to what to do to 'fix' the paladin. it's far from a slam dunk.
Ryan Freire |
Ryan Freire wrote:Watching the any alignment option get BTFO by LG only is just....pretty much the best thing on this forum.It really isn't if you add up the results of the other options: you have almost as many that want something OTHER than 1-2 as there is a more diverse opinion as to what to do to 'fix' the paladin. it's far from a slam dunk.
Yeah i mean 2 to 1
graystone |
graystone wrote:Yeah i mean 2 to 1Ryan Freire wrote:Watching the any alignment option get BTFO by LG only is just....pretty much the best thing on this forum.It really isn't if you add up the results of the other options: you have almost as many that want something OTHER than 1-2 as there is a more diverse opinion as to what to do to 'fix' the paladin. it's far from a slam dunk.
Ah, then I have no opinion on that: they seem equivalent/synonyms to me. Carry on.
TiwazBlackhand |
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Patch Notes PF v 2.0.0.1.b
Alignment has been removed
All Paladins now have no alignment
All paladins now have no spell casting or healing
To account for this, all paladins now have Rage as per the Barbarian class feature
All Paladins have been equipped with Great Clubs.
Paladins retain their special mount and sense of moral superiority.
thflame |
There should be a class for martially oriented divine casters with oaths. LG members of this class are called Paladins.
I see no reason why Paladin-like abilities should be limited to a single alignment. If the issue is with Evil or Chaotic characters calling themselves "paladins" then change the name for those characters.
To be honest though, accepting an Oath seems like a Lawful act, so Chaotic "paladins" don't make a whole lot of sense.
Regardless, if you want the Paladin-like powers being reserved for LG characters, you can house rule that.
On the flip side, if you want non-LG paladins, you can probably houserule that too, although this is harder than just banning non LG paladins for Paladin Purists.
Wei Ji the Learner |
I'd argue that an Oath doesn't have to be a 'sworn' thing. It could just be how a person lives their life, in keeping with the needs of a Greater Cosmic Entity such as a Deity/Force/Whatnot.
If they hold to it, they could be Chaotic as all heck if that's part of the dicates of that life-path...
After all, what alignment would one consider Loki (or even Thor) of the MCU to be?
A 'gut' feeling would be 'Chaotic Evil' (Loki) or 'Chaotic Good' (Thor) but both of them work within the framework of the organization of Asgard and do 'Good' for Asgard, just in different ways and means.
Granted, that's a bit deep in philosophy, but... I think the point is clear?