3. Paladins should be any holy warrior, alignment doesn't matter.Thought about having to GM a CN paladin and threw up in my mouth a little.More so than any other 'committed CN' character? I mean, it's famously the alignment people want to use so that they can:
Step 1: Write into your character's personality that he is a dickbag
Step 2: Play like a dickbag
Step 3: If called out on dickbaggery, claim that you're just roleplaying your character's personalityPF Unchained has rules for moving alignment to Outsiders (and Undead?) only. I would go further and remove its mechanical effects entirely. Good and Evil can certainly exist without being tangible and measurable.But seriously, I've played with GMs that don't use alignments (that's always an option for people who don't like them), but it seems to take a flawed system and make it broken. Not that an alignment system is ever going to be perfect without all GMs being advanced students of philosophy and or theology, but it general does a decent job.
In a game where so much of the player's time is spend dealing with supernatural good and evil beings (such as demons, devils, undead, and celestials), I don't really think you can say "there's no such thing as good or evil" and have it make sense for more than a few minutes.
Perhaps, but I've never seen it sucsessfully pulled off. In the most recent no-alignment game I played, my character had dreams of being possessed, so I looked into some form of protection from evil or spirits. The exact kind of charms that people IRL would request from a priest or shaman. GM ruled that protection from evil works, if the creature thinks it's evil. Fine for demons and daemons (they don't try to hide it) but it doesn't work for devils, kytons, kobolds, hobgoblins or anyone else that thinks they are working for the greater good. yay......
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Thought about having to GM a CN paladin and threw up in my mouth a little.
Your issue is with the CN alignment and the AL system then. As CN paladin is no more issue than a CN wizard, bard, barbarian or whatever
But seriously, I've played with GMs that don't use alignments (that's always an option for people who don't like them), but it seems to take a flawed system and make it broken. Not that an alignment system is ever going to be perfect without all GMs being advanced students of philosophy and or theology, but it general does a decent job.In a game where so much of the player's time is spend dealing with supernatural good and evil beings (such as demons, devils, undead, and celestials), I don't really think you can say "there's no such thing as good or evil" and have it make sense for more than a few minutes.
Yet, as I have pointed out in this thread non-D&D based games have zero issue with this. And no one is not saying there is no good or evil, just there is no game mechanic for forcing it.
In shadowrun we once took out a assassin who liked to skin folks alive, it amused him and he liked to watch them scream. We did not need an AL system to know this guy needed a bullet to the head. When we played Mutants and Masterminds, we did not need n AL system to see the current BBEG ( nuking cities) was well EVIL and needed stopped. When we played D&D 5e without AL the group did not need AL to see the Necrotic cult, killing people and summoning demons was evil. When I played Eclipse Phase, no one needed AL to tell them the folks spreading death and destruction needed stopped and MIGHT be evil. In Dresden files, players don't need L to see the White Court vampire with myth and pill based drug empire so he can feed off despair, might be evil.
You do not need a system that causes endless issue at the table to have good and evil.
..which might be possible with a decent GM.
...highly unlikely with a poor GM using the rules to passive-aggressively fall the Paladin.
