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SilvercatMoonpaw wrote:


Incidentally what would be the correct plural if we were to go by the Greek system?

Pegasoi.


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SilvercatMoonpaw wrote:
Incidentally what would be the correct plural if we were to go by the Greek system?

I *think* it would be "Pegasoi" but it's been a long time since I took greek and I dropped that class because it was either "pass Greek" or "pass all my other classes." It's a weird question because one doesn't normally think to pluralize unique individuals, but I guess we can talk about Oprahs.


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SilvercatMoonpaw wrote:
Theconiel wrote:
My daughter calls me "a dirty prescriptivist" for such rants.
Incidentally what would be the correct plural if we were to go by the Greek system?

It would be dirty prescriptivists.


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PossibleCabbage wrote:
I guess we can talk about Oprahs.

What would be the collective noun for a group of Oprahs?

EDIT: Figured it out. A host. A host of Oprahs.

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Hythlodeus wrote:
Now I'm curious. Can you provide examples? anecdotes? I always love stories about the Deutsch-Österreichische Freundschaft

I'm sorry, but I have nothing specific ready, it's probably too long that I was part of those discussions. I think I remember that Lastwall would serve as a good example (that ended up as Finismur in the german version , which is ironically more of a latinization than a german translation), but I can't remember any alternative suggestions. I think generally that brainstorming location names brought us some laughs, because those differ heavily between northern germany and southern germany/Austria.


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WormysQueue wrote:
Hythlodeus wrote:
Now I'm curious. Can you provide examples? anecdotes? I always love stories about the Deutsch-Österreichische Freundschaft
I'm sorry, but I have nothing specific ready, it's probably too long that I was part of those discussions. I think I remember that Lastwall would serve as a good example (that ended up as Finismur in the german version , which is ironically more of a latinization than a german translation), but I can't remember any alternative suggestions. I think generally that brainstorming location names brought us some laughs, because those differ heavily between northern germany and southern germany/Austria.

I'd imagine that in the north if you rolled a 1, the situation would be serious, but not hopeless. Whereas in the south, it would be hopeless, but not serious...


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WormysQueue wrote:

I'm sorry, but I have nothing specific ready, it's probably too long that I was part of those discussions. I think I remember that Lastwall would serve as a good example (that ended up as Finismur in the german version , which is ironically more of a latinization than a german translation), but I can't remember any alternative suggestions. I think generally that brainstorming location names brought us some laughs, because those differ heavily between northern germany and southern germany/Austria.

Endwandling is now my totally accepted headcanon translation for Lastwall


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Hythlodeus wrote:
WormysQueue wrote:

I'm sorry, but I have nothing specific ready, it's probably too long that I was part of those discussions. I think I remember that Lastwall would serve as a good example (that ended up as Finismur in the german version , which is ironically more of a latinization than a german translation), but I can't remember any alternative suggestions. I think generally that brainstorming location names brought us some laughs, because those differ heavily between northern germany and southern germany/Austria.

Endwandling is now my totally accepted headcanon translation for Lanstwall

That is actually not bad.


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sounds totally like a village with a population of 800 people maximum somwhere near the border of Bavaria and Upper Austria

okay, back on topic: Echeneis. My brain knows, that it's probably pronounced Ecc-ay-nay-ees, but I can't stop pronouncing the 'eis' part as 'ice' which automatically makes me think of ice cream instead of small fishs


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Sandal Fury wrote:
Neothelid. Only because I only ever glanced at the name and for YEARS, I called it the NeoLITHid. It made sense!

<headdesk> This is the first I realized it WASN'T NeoLITHid.

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FamiliarMask wrote:
Sandal Fury wrote:
Neothelid. Only because I only ever glanced at the name and for YEARS, I called it the NeoLITHid. It made sense!
<headdesk> This is the first I realized it WASN'T NeoLITHid.

I make that realization every couple years.


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Isonaroc wrote:
FamiliarMask wrote:
Sandal Fury wrote:
Neothelid. Only because I only ever glanced at the name and for YEARS, I called it the NeoLITHid. It made sense!
<headdesk> This is the first I realized it WASN'T NeoLITHid.
I make that realization every couple years.

Uhmm... What is it then?


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neo_THEL_id

We three (at least) tend to mix it up with neo_LITH_id, due to the association with il_LITH_id creatures.


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Hungh. You know, I've never noticed it wasn't spelled that way. Even just now while looking to see what you were talking about. I still saw 'lith' for some reason. Wow!


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I stare at pages it's been printed on for years, my dude. Years.

It's associated with the EPH, my favorite 3.5 book of all time.

I once could list what they can do without looking - everything on that page, word-for-word.

I had no idea it wasn't neolithid.

For years.

XD


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
I just thought of a weird dungeon idea. So you have 6 doors behind one of them is a land shark. You and one other keep choosing doors til one of you are eaten by the bullete.
It's always going to be behind the first door, though. Number one with a bulette.

A loaded god-complex: cockatrice and pull-ay?

Man, that song sounds weird, now.


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Man I'm tired. Not enough sleep last night. Kids at the dentist early today. TKD today, though I feel tired just looking forward to it...!


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Tired enough that I only just now realized that this wasn't FaWtL... >.>


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CorvusMask wrote:
So I don't really like these types of threads since they just become complaint threads.

Gee, that almost sounds like a complaint right there...

CorvusMask wrote:
But yeah, I agree with idea that its insulting to see people think name sounds stupid just because its not English name

That one, too, come to think of it.

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Tacticslion wrote:
John Woodford wrote:
It's always going to be behind the first door, though. Number one with a bulette.

A loaded god-complex: cockatrice and pull-ay?

Man, that song sounds weird, now.

Nah...cockatrices are enough like chickens that the line would be

A loaded god-complex: cockatrice pullet!

It still doesn't make much sense.


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WormysQueue wrote:
SilvercatMoonpaw wrote:


Incidentally what would be the correct plural if we were to go by the Greek system?
Pegasoi.

Yep, as in "Pêgasoi Aithiopikoi", ("Pegasi Aethiopici" in Latin or "Ethiopian Pegasi" in English). Which was an actual type of mythical creature described at least as far back as the 1st century CE, (by Pliny the Elder).

Yes, the expansion of Pegasus from a unique being to a race is not the fault of modern writers.

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Kullen wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
So I don't really like these types of threads since they just become complaint threads.

Gee, that almost sounds like a complaint right there...

CorvusMask wrote:
But yeah, I agree with idea that its insulting to see people think name sounds stupid just because its not English name
That one, too, come to think of it.

Are we really getting into complaining about complaints? :D

What next, complaining about complaining about complaining?


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CorvusMask wrote:
Kullen wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
So I don't really like these types of threads since they just become complaint threads.

Gee, that almost sounds like a complaint right there...

CorvusMask wrote:
But yeah, I agree with idea that its insulting to see people think name sounds stupid just because its not English name
That one, too, come to think of it.

Are we really getting into complaining about complaints? :D

What next, complaining about complaining about complaining?

Welcome to the internet! ;)

Silver Crusade

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CorvusMask wrote:
Kullen wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
So I don't really like these types of threads since they just become complaint threads.

Gee, that almost sounds like a complaint right there...

CorvusMask wrote:
But yeah, I agree with idea that its insulting to see people think name sounds stupid just because its not English name
That one, too, come to think of it.

Are we really getting into complaining about complaints? :D

What next, complaining about complaining about complaining?

I think that's what you just did. COMPLAINTCEPTION *BWWWAAAAA*

Scarab Sages

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Isonaroc wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
Kullen wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
So I don't really like these types of threads since they just become complaint threads.

Gee, that almost sounds like a complaint right there...

CorvusMask wrote:
But yeah, I agree with idea that its insulting to see people think name sounds stupid just because its not English name
That one, too, come to think of it.

Are we really getting into complaining about complaints? :D

What next, complaining about complaining about complaining?

I think that's what you just did. COMPLAINTCEPTION *BWWWAAAAA*

I have a few complaints....


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Bill Dunn wrote:
It's lovely to see comments where someone thinks words from other languages sound "stupid" or "silly". And by "lovely" I mean it kind of pisses me off.

IT'S BECAUSE IT'S MY LANGUAGE! I cringe just thinking about how most people would butcher the pronunciation.

But sure, this is what I get for expressing an opinion on the internet. I deserve it.

EDIT: Also, Bill, you really can't blame me when there are languages such as dutch, german and danish in this world...


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
I just thought of a weird dungeon idea. So you have 6 doors behind one of them is a land shark. You and one other keep choosing doors til one of you are eaten by the bullete.

Bulette roulette?


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CrinosG wrote:
graystone wrote:
Eltanin24 wrote:
"Welcome to Norgorber, Home of the Norgorburger"
Mmmm... Double Norgorburger with bacon, cheese and onion rings and a large shake... It's almost as good as big belly burger...

And now I have an idea for a Assassin of Norgorber who poses as a chef and kills his victims, not by poisoning them, but by getting them hooked on greasy fast food until they become so fat and unhealthy they just keel over from a heart attack.

Evil noble: Seriously? This is taking months! What do you mean they aren't dead yet?

Norgorber: Hey, it's a fast food, not fast murder.

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Rub-Eta wrote:
Also, Bill, you really can't blame me when there are languages such as dutch, german and danish in this world...

Well if you had invented them, I would not blame but congratulate you for inventing three so beautiful languages.


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CorvusMask wrote:
Are we really getting into complaining about complaints?

Evidently so, since that's exactly what you were doing.

CorvusMask wrote:
What next, complaining about complaining about complaining?

That was "prior," not "next." And the irony of so doing was not lost on me.


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Troodos wrote:
BALOR. Good god, Balor. The mythical Balor is one of my favorite figures in myth, so making it a discount Balrog frustrates me. It doesnt even have a gaze attack!

I'm in pretty much the same boat when it comes to drow, or paladins, or the tarrasque.

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Kullen wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
Are we really getting into complaining about complaints?

Evidently so, since that's exactly what you were doing.

CorvusMask wrote:
What next, complaining about complaining about complaining?
That was "prior," not "next." And the irony of so doing was not lost on me.

Hey, don't delete my ":D" when you are quoting, its the most important part of the post :P


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CorvusMask wrote:
What next, complaining about complaining about complaining? :D

Don't get me started...


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I'll stop complaining as soon as I find that a%%@&*% Francis.


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Damn! Every variation of Francis that I've tried has already been taken as an avatar.


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Captain Deadpool wrote:
I'll stop complaining as soon as I find that a+%*@~+ Francis.

Captain Deadpool? Nah, just Deadpool...


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Gisher wrote:
Damn! Every variation of Francis that I've tried has already been taken as an avatar.

You know what I counsel in times like these...

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SilvercatMoonpaw wrote:
Theconiel wrote:
Corathonv2 wrote:
Theconiel wrote:


I am always annoyed by Paizo's calling a winged horse a Pegasus. Pegasus was the name of the winged horse ridden by Perseus. Using "Pegasi" as the plural annoys me even more. Even if there were more than one winged horse, Pegasus is a Greek word, and the "-us singular/ -i plural" construction is Latin. Saying that the plural of Pegasus is Pegasi is like saying the plural of Zeus is Zei.

You're right that "Pegasus" was the name of an individual winged horse in the original myth, but D&D/Pathfinder is rife with taking mythical creatures that were single individuals or existed in very limited numbers, and making species out of them.

My knowledge of Latin and Greek is pretty small, so I might very well have this wrong, but I suppose that the original Greek name would've been something like "Pegasos", "Pegasus" is a latinized form, so maybe "pegasi" isn't such a bad plural form of "pegasus".

My daughter calls me "a dirty prescriptivist" for such rants.
Incidentally what would be the correct plural if we were to go by the Greek system?

Dunno. I know that octopus becomes octopodes and cyclops becomes cyclopes (which Paizo uses, to my delight). But other than that, the only Greek I know comes from the movie My Big Fat Greek Wedding. For example, did you know that kimono derives from the Greek chimos, which means "winter"?


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my foot, it means 'thing you wear', in ordinary (or maybe old) Japanese, Ki(ru) 'to wear' + mono 'thing'. tempura and a few other Japanese words come from the Portuguese or Dutch, but there's no way Greek influenced Japanese.


And now we know who hasn't seen that film...

;D


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mmmh, I'm no film geek, is it really to put on the list of 'must see' movies, or can I just watch Excalibur for the umpteenth time?


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WormysQueue wrote:
SilvercatMoonpaw wrote:


Incidentally what would be the correct plural if we were to go by the Greek system?
Pegasoi.

Correct, since it's second declination. But since English uses the Latin version in -us, the plural should be pegasi.

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Theconiel wrote:
But other than that, the only Greek I know comes from the movie

Well, I had it in school, but I may have forgotten a lot about the declensions; the greek grammar is relatively complex compared to latin though I have to say that I found it easier because of the existence of actual articles, so I didn't have to rely on the endings only like in latin.

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For example, did you know that kimono derives from the Greek chimos, which means "winter"?

Do they say that in the film (no, haven't seen it either)? Because to my knowledge it literally means "thing(mono) to wear(ki)" in japanese, so that derivation seems to makes no sense at all.

Tacticslion wrote:
And now we know who hasn't seen that film...

Guilty as charged. But that goes for most comedys. I enjoy them when I see them, but most of the time there's something I find more interesting to use my time on, so after the 80's I might have ignored most of them.

dammi, and now I see that Klorox already made my point about kimonos.


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In the movie that explanation is obvious BS by one of the characters. So no, they aren't presenting it as fact.


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Klorox wrote:
mmmh, I'm no film geek, is it really to put on the list of 'must see' movies, or can I just watch Excalibur for the umpteenth time?

ONE LAND ONE KING!


It's a great film, and I want everyone to watch it, mostly due to wanting to support those actors and crew as much as possible, but I won't tell you that it's a mind-blowing film. It is sweet and cute and nice and touching and all those things that describe a good film about learning how to live with your (well-meaning, well-loved, and loving) family while also learning to be your own person (also finding the love of your life who doesn't conform to your family's normal standards). Make of that what you will. :)


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Wait, are you talking about Excalibur? Because that kind of works...


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Well, you know, also...


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SilvercatMoonpaw wrote:
In the movie that explanation is obvious BS by one of the characters. So no, they aren't presenting it as fact.

The scene.

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quibblemuch wrote:
Wait, are you talking about Excalibur? Because that kind of works...

Ehhh...while I love Excalibur more than is reasonable, "sweet" and "cute" and "nice" aren't words I'd use to describe it. With the exception of some of the Perceval bits and Nicol Williamson's fantastically snarky Merlin, it's pretty dang dark throughout.

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