Numeria Starship Origin


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I just noticed something. Distant Worlds page 54 says:

"The great capital ship that crashed in Numeria, for instance, is obviously beyond the technological capability of any current races—
presumably coming from some other star, dimension, or era."

Which doesn't actually say that it's definitely from outside the solar system, as I first thought. It could still be from Aballon's First Ones, or the pre-undeadification civilization of Eox...


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I don't think it's Eoxian; the description of an Eox ship in Asylum Stone seems more magical/fantastic than technological. Anything's possible, though.

James Jacobs has said the Iron Gods AP will answer this question, IIRC.

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Yep. That will be revealed this summer.


Why nobody points to "capital ship"? It belonged to a larger fleet?
And it was stated the ship really belongs beyond Golarion's solar system several times, like certain generational spaceship which everyone mistakes for a planet.
However the origin of said capital spaceship is related to one of the playable races found in Bestiary 4.

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Espagnoll wrote:

Why nobody points to "capital ship"? It belonged to a larger fleet?

And it was stated the ship really belongs beyond Golarion's solar system several times, like certain generational spaceship which everyone mistakes for a planet.
However the origin of said capital spaceship is related to one of the playable races found in Bestiary 4.

Then that means our options are:

Changeling
Kasatha (Oh god, please)
Kitsune (Oh god, no)
Nagaji
Samsaran
Wayang
Wyvaran
Wyrwood


Adam Daigle wrote:
Yep. That will be revealed this summer.

Man, I need Iron Gods RIGHT NOW!!!


Espagnoll wrote:
However the origin of said capital spaceship is related to one of the playable races found in Bestiary 4.

James Jacobs has said that the Kasatha will be appearing in Iron Gods.

Draw your own conclusions. :)

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The kasatha will play a relatively important role, particularly in 2 of the 6 adventures of Iron Gods.

The ship itself is NOT a kasatha ship; it's a human ship. And it's from somewhere other than the kasatha homeworld

Where it's from, including the name of the ship and MUCH MUCH MORE will be revealed in Iron Gods. We'll hint about it here and there in the Numeria book... but the full juicy details will be in Iron Gods.

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I thought I discovered the answer to the question of the Silver Mount's origin a while back...

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Thomas LeBlanc wrote:
I thought I discovered the answer to the question of the Silver Mount's origin a while back...

Unless I'm missing something, I don't think your link went where you expected it to go.


Human ship?
Why?
How?


I wonder wether we´ll get to know a little about the kasatha homeworld? Or any other planets beyond Golarions solar system?


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James Jacobs wrote:

The kasatha will play a relatively important role, particularly in 2 of the 6 adventures of Iron Gods.

The ship itself is NOT a kasatha ship; it's a human ship. And it's from somewhere other than the kasatha homeworld

Where it's from, including the name of the ship and MUCH MUCH MORE will be revealed in Iron Gods. We'll hint about it here and there in the Numeria book... but the full juicy details will be in Iron Gods.

It would be cool to be able to play the decedents of the humans from the crashed ships. Assuming over the millennia they haven't been completely absorbed by the local Kellid tribes.

Speculation: I can see an Iron Gods campaign trait that hints that your character's family might be of human extraterrestrial origin.

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Adam Daigle wrote:
Thomas LeBlanc wrote:
I thought I discovered the answer to the question of the Silver Mount's origin a while back...
Unless I'm missing something, I don't think your link went where you expected it to go.

Hmm, that was a bit of fail on my part. I thought I had copied the link target.

Fixed link on Silver Mount origin.


Well you're assuming the ion cannon actually destroyed the Star Destroyer in question. It did not. An ion cannon merely disables a ship, it does not do any actually damage to it.

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Dungeon Master Zack wrote:
Well you're assuming the ion cannon actually destroyed the Star Destroyer in question. It did not. An ion cannon merely disables a ship, it does not do any actually damage to it.

But after the shot, you see it begin to nose down toward the planet. It definitely crashed afterword! (I blame Lucasian physics)


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My wild and crazy guess of the week:
Eox Bonesages kidnap humans from a non magical world for their entertainment on the Halls of the Living (maybe Malifax of Eox did this?), rescue mission is assembled and they succeed but when they where leaving the solar system the Bonesages decided to activate Eox orbital defense platform, capital ship is seriously damage and crash lands on Golarion.


The Silver Mount is established as being of interstellar origin, and IIRC Eox lacks interstellar travel capabilities. So I doubt they are responsible for the ship visiting the Golarion system, but maybe are involved in the crash (...maybe)


Um..totally lost here..why are some people talking like Hoth is Golarion?


MMCJawa wrote:
The Silver Mount is established as being of interstellar origin, and IIRC Eox lacks interstellar travel capabilities. So I doubt they are responsible for the ship visiting the Golarion system, but maybe are involved in the crash (...maybe)

Eox does have interstellar travel capabilities. There is a description of an Eoxian starship in Asylum Stone (it looks like a comet).


interstellar or interplanetary? They definitely have the latter.

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If anyone guesses correctly I will be highly suspicious.


MMCJawa wrote:
interstellar or interplanetary? They definitely have the latter.

Ah- okay. I was misreading your distinction.

Perhaps not interstellar.

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It will be good to have the ship's origins revealed. Even if I'm still a sucker for Stargate: Golarion.


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I thought I read somewhere the origin of the ship was well out of the Golarion solar system.

I'm guessing it is from Earth (obviously the future of-) . Extra points if Russians are aboard. Double extra points if said Russians are not from WWI.


So I do not have Bestiary 4, but I see the Kasatha in the ARG. I though the Bestiaries weren't Golarion-specific, but anyway:

Are Kasatha native to a planet in the Golarion Solar System? Golarion?


The silver mount is a human space ship!!!

Last I remember the Kasatha'a home world is a not a planet from the Golarion solar system.


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Oceanshieldwolf wrote:

So I do not have Bestiary 4, but I see the Kasatha in the ARG. I though the Bestiaries weren't Golarion-specific, but anyway:

Are Kasatha native to a planet in the Golarion Solar System? Golarion?

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Exiles from an arid world circling a red star.

That'd make it a different system.


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MMCJawa wrote:
interstellar or interplanetary? They definitely have the latter.

Intergalactic, planetary.... planetary, intergalactic? ;)


Oceanshieldwolf wrote:

I thought I read somewhere the origin of the ship was well out of the Golarion solar system.

I'm guessing it is from Earth (obviously the future of-) . Extra points if Russians are aboard. Double extra points if said Russians are not from WWI.

Actually, Golarion IS Earth, only in the future. And one of the frozen humans hidden on board will be thawed out, recognize a landmark, and damn us all to hell for actually doing it... (where's Chuck when you need him?)


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Alas, as of Reign of Winter, Earth is separate from Golarion.


Oceanshieldwolf wrote:

So I do not have Bestiary 4, but I see the Kasatha in the ARG. I though the Bestiaries weren't Golarion-specific, but anyway:

Are Kasatha native to a planet in the Golarion Solar System? Golarion?

Bestiaries are setting neutral, but I believe the rule is that everything in the Bestiary has some place in Golarion, The Golarion System, or the Great Beyond.

The ARG "new" races were a bit weird though, since I think they were invented before that was really worked out.

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MMCJawa wrote:
Oceanshieldwolf wrote:

So I do not have Bestiary 4, but I see the Kasatha in the ARG. I though the Bestiaries weren't Golarion-specific, but anyway:

Are Kasatha native to a planet in the Golarion Solar System? Golarion?

Bestiaries are setting neutral, but I believe the rule is that everything in the Bestiary has some place in Golarion, The Golarion System, or the Great Beyond.

The ARG "new" races were a bit weird though, since I think they were invented before that was really worked out.

The ARG races were made intentionally weird to stretch the race builder's rules and show off how versatile they are, not as an excuse to invent more races for Golarion.


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Thomas LeBlanc wrote:
Adam Daigle wrote:
Thomas LeBlanc wrote:
I thought I discovered the answer to the question of the Silver Mount's origin a while back...
Unless I'm missing something, I don't think your link went where you expected it to go.

Hmm, that was a bit of fail on my part. I thought I had copied the link target.

Fixed link on Silver Mount origin.

Well, at least it wasn't a dragon laser.


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Eirikrautha wrote:
Actually, Golarion IS Earth, only in the future. And one of the frozen humans hidden on board will be thawed out, recognize a landmark, and damn us all to hell for actually doing it... (where's Chuck when you need him?)

Now I want to see Jatembe return to the Mwangi Expanse in the present day, see a fallen Shory city, and fall to his knees. "You maniacs! You blew it up! Oh, #@%$ you!! #@%$ you all to the Abyss!!!"

(And when he gets captured by the Gorilla-King's minions, he can tell them to "get your stinking paws off me, you #@%$ dirty apes!")


If Kasatha are going to play a part in the AP, I wonder if they should be ruled out as PC options for the game by DM fiat. I think it would be kind of cool to play (or allow one to be played), but they might not mesh with whatever plans are afoot for the race in the AP.

Not really a question, as I suspect it can/will be more easily answered once the AP gets running. Just musing aloud.

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Cthulhudrew wrote:

If Kasatha are going to play a part in the AP, I wonder if they should be ruled out as PC options for the game by DM fiat. I think it would be kind of cool to play (or allow one to be played), but they might not mesh with whatever plans are afoot for the race in the AP.

Not really a question, as I suspect it can/will be more easily answered once the AP gets running. Just musing aloud.

You can certainly play a kasatha PC... but I'd suggest the GM wait until he/she gets the entire 6 parts of the AP before starting in this case so that he/she knows what their role is gonna be...


My players were...Meh!...about this adventure path...this means I gotta be creative about shanghaing them into it...bwahahaha!

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Locking them in the basement and giving them one plate of food per chapter completed works pretty well.


so were/when was it reveled that the silver mount is a human spaceship?

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Adam Daigle wrote:
If anyone guesses correctly I will be highly suspicious.

To explain the high concentration of skymetal, it's from nearer the core of the galaxy, where the stars have higher metallicity. They were scouting potential new homeworlds, as their old HW is threatend by the ongoing explosion of the core, and the Kasatha are right behind them.

As a side note, is Golarion's star been specified, like it's 61 Ursae Majoris, or 61 Cygni, or anything like that?

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Considering how fast exoplanet research is advancing currently, picking a specific star would run the risk of being obsoleted within the next 5-10 years, if not sooner.


Cool thread, I never plan to use the Numerian star ship idea in any game that I run as I'd rather keep Golarion more fantasy oriented than scifi, but it's an interesting topic non the less. As long as no one names a band Numeria Starship, I'm good :P


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I'll bet if you could flip the Starmount over and clean off a section of hull, it'd have the word "Warden" written on the side...


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WitchyTangles wrote:
As long as no one names a band Numeria Starship, I'm good :P

I heard that Numeria Airship was going to change their name to Numeria Starship, but one of them took an arrow to the knee.

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TwoWolves wrote:


I'll bet if you could flip the Starmount over and clean off a section of hull, it'd have the word "Warden" written on the side...

I don't think the "Warden" was that small. :)


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Cthulhudrew wrote:
Eirikrautha wrote:
Actually, Golarion IS Earth, only in the future. And one of the frozen humans hidden on board will be thawed out, recognize a landmark, and damn us all to hell for actually doing it... (where's Chuck when you need him?)

Now I want to see Jatembe return to the Mwangi Expanse in the present day, see a fallen Shory city, and fall to his knees. "You maniacs! You blew it up! Oh, #@%$ you!! #@%$ you all to the Abyss!!!"

(And when he gets captured by the Gorilla-King's minions, he can tell them to "get your stinking paws off me, you #@%$ dirty apes!")

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH! Awesome visual, there!

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... and then he blows them up, because, you know, he's Jatembe, and they're demonic, and he'll walk up to their demon lord, annihilate 'im, and all those artifacts that make Gorilla Kings, too, and then he'll go back home for a nap.

(Also, I think Jatembe might just be the most awesome character who's walked Golarion. Maybe. Count Renalc, Nex, Aroden, and the Peacock Spirit are all really interesting, too, though Nex is notably kind of a jerk. I'm also fond of - you know what, nevermind. I'll just stop here and note, "Golarion is cool and full of cool people and ideas.")


Dragon78 wrote:
so were/when was it reveled that the silver mount is a human spaceship?

About half a page up the thread.

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logic_poet wrote:
Adam Daigle wrote:
If anyone guesses correctly I will be highly suspicious.

To explain the high concentration of skymetal, it's from nearer the core of the galaxy, where the stars have higher metallicity. They were scouting potential new homeworlds, as their old HW is threatend by the ongoing explosion of the core, and the Kasatha are right behind them.

As a side note, is Golarion's star been specified, like it's 61 Ursae Majoris, or 61 Cygni, or anything like that?

Don't try to ground too much real world science into this. After all it's rather doubtful that ALL of the planets in a planetary system would be supporting life and have a temperate or close to temperate climate like Golarion's system does.

If I remember correctly G1 Cygni is a binary system of K class stars or red dwarfs. The only world in such a system that would get any measurable amount of heat would have to be as close to the primary as Mercury is.


I'm pretty sure Golarion is supposed to be ridiculously far away from Earth -- like, not even in the same galactic supercluster, never mind in the same galaxy -- but can't recall what the official word is on that.

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