Pathfinder Guns & Gears

OMG! Automaton Ancestry!?! I think I am more excited for that than the new classes! More info on Alkenstar, Tian Xia, and Arcandia?!?! Yes, please!!! I love the steampunk vibe. I am very excited for this. :)

Guns and Gears definitely makes me think of more steam and clockwork machines, though I'm curious if this book will still cover some numenera stuff even though its not "futuristic technology" book :O

...Wait, does automaton ancestry mean we get to play Jistkan automatons? :O Or are Automaton category of intelligent constructs getting a new name?

For reference to everyone who hasn't read awesome construct handbook I'm talking about these. You can actually see one in the image used for blog

YES! YES! YES!

(JoJo reference)

...Wait, does automaton ancestry mean we get to play Jistkan automatons?

Yes.

CorvusMask wrote:

...Wait, does automaton ancestry mean we get to play Jistkan automatons?

Yes.

:O :O :O

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

so cool

Ok. Paizo... How could you know I personally NEEDED that book like I need blood in my veins!?
Seriously?
Is there a liquid version that I can inject directly into me?
*dies*
Seriously.
O_O
I love you all, you awesome people.
Can't wait to see the actual cover!
A steampunk book... Niiiice.

Note: this will clearly be the first book that everything in it will be minimum uncommon. It's even more heavily themed than Secrets of Magic, and if it indicates what is coming in the future, I CANNOT WAIT.

ANd yes, that's the perfect book to play in Alkenstar and the Mana Waste!
Oooh! my PFS character is already from there. Hope there's a couple of stuff with access that need that nationality!!

Note: this will clearly be the first book that everything in it will be minimum uncommon.

That may not be the case. The playtest Gunslinger doesn't need to touch a firearm. May not have access to all of the feats, but I'm excited to try it out with a crossbow.

Gunblade :)

Huzzah!

G U N B L A D E S

im interested in what new archetypes we'll get in this.

All I have to say, is that I'm desperately hoping the automaton ancestry is more "Pathfinder warforged" than a redo of PF1's androids.

All I have to say, is that I'm desperately hoping the automaton ancestry is more "Pathfinder warforged" than a redo of PF1's androids.

The "redo" of PF1's androids is already confirmed to be in Lost Omens Ancestry Guide coming out next month. So, these automatons are absolutely different. Furthermore, Michael Sayre already mentioned a few posts above that the Automaton ancestry in this book can be used to play Jistkan Automatons, which are quite different from the Androffan Androids to seem to be referencing.

All I have to say, is that I'm desperately hoping the automaton ancestry is more "Pathfinder warforged" than a redo of PF1's androids.

Androids are coming out in Lost Omens Ancestry Guide. Automatons will be very different, more like magitek constructs who can modify their bodies by doing things like slotting a sword into their elbow instead of their forearm and hand.

One thing I really hope for (and that hope is warranted by the inventor iconic) is support for mechanical arms!

Ashram Tyrilit wrote:

All I have to say, is that I'm desperately hoping the automaton ancestry is more "Pathfinder warforged" than a redo of PF1's androids.

Androids are coming out in Lost Omens Ancestry Guide. Automatons will be very different, more like magitek constructs who can modify their bodies by doing things like slotting a sword into their elbow instead of their forearm and hand.

It's okay, you can say Warforged on the forums.

ARTIFICERRRR!

A gazetteer of Golarion revealing how firearms and technology fit into the Age of Lost Omens, including a look at the technology of the continents of Arcadia and Tian Xia and never-before-revealed secrets of the rough-and-tumble, gritty city of Alkenstar

<unbound excitement>

Michael Sayre wrote:

Ashram Tyrilit wrote:

All I have to say, is that I'm desperately hoping the automaton ancestry is more "Pathfinder warforged" than a redo of PF1's androids.

Androids are coming out in Lost Omens Ancestry Guide. Automatons will be very different, more like magitek constructs who can modify their bodies by doing things like slotting a sword into their elbow instead of their forearm and hand.

It's okay, you can say Warforged on the forums.

To be fair I'd imagine a dev can't actually say that, because if they said "Oh yeah, this ancestry is totally like this other copyrighted race from a well-established IP" the scary wizard from down the coast might object.

That's why I specified on the forums :3

Hey Warforged are completely different from automatons!

"Although the bodies of automatons are wonders in and of themselves, the true technological marvels they bear are the automaton cores that power these constructs. The secret to the creation of automaton cores has since been lost to time, but each core contains a spark of consciousness from a particular individual, combined with a significant portion of planar energy. These two components are merged using powerful magical energy to form a core of seemingly limitless arcane potential that powers an automaton. This energy courses throughout an automaton’s body, powering the construct and completing an internal connection that allows the individual automaton’s consciousness to remain active. "

They are result of group of jistkans discovering magical mind upload :p

Also (champion), they (sharpshooter) are (stalker) cool (master) as heck! And warforged don't have cool cyclops eyebeams ;P

Automatons? Now I didn't expect that one...

Sounds good, I do love the look of the automata. I presume there will be a deluxe version of this? Can't see one up yet.

Playing as a Jistkan Automaton? That'll surely cool... BUT PLAYING AS AN AUTOMATON INVENTOR WILL BE AWESOME!

I'm guessing the book has replacement limbs.. because that inventory has an automaton left arm.

I'm guessing the book has replacement limbs.. because that inventory has an automaton left arm.

The core book and general dev/designers commentary hint that these should mainly be up to the player. They are, basically, just "fluff". Instead of an arm, you can have a prosthetic one if you want. It change nothing much mechanically.

IMHO, I prefer this than to ask a player to pay gold to just be on par with other characters.

They also prefer to let GMs manage that for their groups because these things are delicate, and many people have very diverging opinions on how it should be implemented, and instead of pleasing 1/4 of people and hurt the rest, they know that the GMs are the best at getting the best solution for their groups.

Very cool Paizo. Keep them coming!

I am hoping this book provides guidance on how to better use wheelchairs and prosthetics in our adventure stories. I believe that had been mentioned to "maybe" be in an upcoming product?

Maybe. Or it could be arm implants like from Starfinder.. or other products featuring similar themes. Such as doing it to start becoming more automaton... or.. you know.. even like golem arms... Either way, I like it.

Cthulhusquatch wrote:

I'm guessing the book has replacement limbs.. because that inventory has an automaton left arm.

The core book and general dev/designers commentary hint that these should mainly be up to the player. They are, basically, just "fluff". Instead of an arm, you can have a prosthetic one if you want. It change nothing much mechanically.

I really love that sidebar, on page 486.
Page where the sidebar is reproduced on AoN

IMHO, I prefer this than to ask a player to pay gold to just be on par with other characters.

They also prefer to let GMs manage that for their groups because these things are delicate, and many people have very diverging opinions on how it should be implemented, and instead of pleasing 1/4 of people and hurt the rest, they know that the GMs are the best at getting the best solution for their groups.

Yes. Yes. I can see why you wanted to keep this under wraps for three weeks. I saw loads of speculation on what the new classes would be, and what that might mean for the book. I saw plenty of gunslinger guesses, but nobody started guessing "inventor" until we got a couple more crumbs. Also, I didn't see anybody guess that there would be a tech book. I am as excited for this as I am for Secrets of Magic, and to have an Automaton ancestry as well... *chef's kiss*

Yeah when I think automaton arm I think more along the lines of what starfinder has, a prosthetic limb with a weapon inside that can pop out. I just like always having a weapon available that can't really be taken, that's easy to hide, etc.

All I have to say, is that I'm desperately hoping the automaton ancestry is more "Pathfinder warforged" than a redo of PF1's androids.

Well then you're in luck since those are in the ancestry guide.

Ashanderai wrote:

All I have to say, is that I'm desperately hoping the automaton ancestry is more "Pathfinder warforged" than a redo of PF1's androids.

Well then you're in luck since those are in the ancestry guide.

Umm... I didn't write that.

Automatons? Now I didn't expect that one...

No one expects...

<never mind>

Post deleted for being made by a fool.

Yes. Yes. I can see why you wanted to keep this under wraps for three weeks. I saw loads of speculation on what the new classes would be, and what that might mean for the book. I saw plenty of gunslinger guesses, but nobody started guessing "inventor" until we got a couple more crumbs. Also, I didn't see anybody guess that there would be a tech book. I am as excited for this as I am for Secrets of Magic, and to have an Automaton ancestry as well... *chef's kiss*

Horsefeathers. I was guessing there would be an inventor class way back in September. They've been dropping hints since last July.

I repeated my guess on the first page of this specific playtest.

I also was hoping for a tech book last June, and became increasingly certain we would see one as more Lost Omens stuff came out. Though I did assume the focus would be on items overall, not just tech, so I'll take only partial credit there.

Now, the gunsligner I did not guess. I mentioned it, but that wasn't my real guess, as I assumed it would either be part of the Inventor class or renamed to something else, which I'm still hoping (however faintly) that might happen.

I'll also throw out that I was off on my guess for when we'd see this book by a month. I'm very pleasantly surprised to be wrong in this case.

Fun fact: The picture used as a placeholder for the cover come from the very first book released in the Lost Omen line... The Lost Omen World Guide... :O
(Page 75 if I remember correctly)
(Also, the constructs we see in it are clockwork automatons, coming as monsters in Bestiary 3, and as an ancestry in this book!)

Seems like a lot of books in the 300 page range this year! That's a lot of work for Paizo but great news for all of us.

Seems like a lot of books in the 300 page range this year! That's a lot of work for Paizo but great news for all of us.

Just try to be understanding if we all need a month-long nap come 2022 ;)

Sporkedup wrote:

Seems like a lot of books in the 300 page range this year! That's a lot of work for Paizo but great news for all of us.

Just try to be understanding if we all need a month-long nap come 2022 ;)

Absolutely. Creative work is hard. I'm excited for Kingmaker to appear only partly because it sounds cool... mostly because clearing that hurdle puts y'all in charge of your lives again. :)

Seems like a lot of books in the 300 page range this year! That's a lot of work for Paizo but great news for all of us.

I'm blind. Where does it say the page count?

Sporkedup wrote:

Seems like a lot of books in the 300 page range this year! That's a lot of work for Paizo but great news for all of us.

I'm blind. Where does it say the page count?

Oh, don't worry, I completely assumed and stated it like that to see if I could fish for confirmation. :)

Bad Spork.

Well played.

brand new to pathfinder2e can't wait for this book especially siege engines anyone familiar with the lore could we see something like fantasy steam power tanks planes or trains? we already have airships i would love to be able to run something like a fantasy ww1 campaign

Tanks, maybe.

I believe Arcadia has trains.

So far, one of my favorite things to have crafted was a water boiler/chiller out of Hot and Cold Siccatite, Fire-Forged and Frost-Forged Steel, and a magical steel plate enchanted with create water to keep the system properly filled.

Can accomplish similar results with elementals and other fun stuff but I'm hoping there will be a ton of special materials and rules for crafting all manner of fun devices!

Tanks, maybe.

I believe Arcadia has trains.

Where did you learn that? I would like to read it, too.

Rysky wrote:

Tanks, maybe.

I believe Arcadia has trains.

Where did you learn that? I would like to read it, too.

I believe it was from Born by the Sun's Grace, which takes place in Arcadia and has one of the nations in the gazetteer.

Ashanderai wrote:

Rysky wrote:

Tanks, maybe.

I believe Arcadia has trains.

Where did you learn that? I would like to read it, too.

I believe it was from Born by the Sun's Grace, which takes place in Arcadia and has one of the nations in the gazetteer.

I think you might be mixing it up with Luis Loza's podcast in Arcadia - just went through the PDF and I don't see any mention of trains or rail, unless I super missed it.