Pathfinder Lost Omens: Legends

I don't mind at all that the descriptions don't have stat blocks.

I bought both the Sandpoint and Druma books in spite of the stat blocks because of the awesomeness of the content. I really would have preferred both of those purchases to have been written to use in either PF1 or PF2.

If PF1 players want new content, then version-neutral setting content and lore makes it easy for them.

"Canon" isn't stat blocks. If something is going to be canon, keep it version neutral.

That cover is amazing (yay Tessa Fairwind!) and it sounds like the book has some truly awesome stuff for us in it, very much looking forwards to it! :D

It all looks good to me. I like stat blocks and all, but I'm also fine without them if we are getting a ton of lore for interesting characters from the setting.

I'm here again just to look at the cover an say it's simply breathtaking.

This looks cool.
Yea, some of them (that might be in there?) could be quite high CR foes. Tar-baphon and such. I always loved the epic rules, mythic rules, and all that stuff. I have no idea if PF2 could even support mythic rules? Or if maybe if could support them even better. That's a question Jason and the team would have to try to answer.
Exciting!

Love the concept and mechanical lite nature of the book...

It is kinda like a idea request on the forums for a book much like this one but with the various characters from the novels in it...

So I am wondering how many characters from the novels show up?

Late to the party, but very excited to see this one announced. I really hope you all like it!

Hmm

Late to the party, but very excited to see this one announced. I really hope you all like it!

Hmm

Yeah! It was an honor and a pleasure to work on this. <3

Love the concept of this book
And the cover art
Really hope there will be big portrait for all of these people, not just small portrait like in the previous book... I think there will be enough place since there's no stat blocks

First book that is not a must have for me for Pathfinder 2nd Ed, but totally understand the excitement of others. Hoping an Equipment book comes out for PF II for me and some of my players.

Tom

The Echo Wood is my favorite region on Golarion(second only to Azlant). So I really wish to see the important figures in the Echo Wood like Baron Tervin Blackshield, Lady Tyressa Vishov and Lady Commander Audara Drovust in this book. I'm honestly not sure whether the mayors of some backwater towns in the backwater frontier can be included in the list for the 42 of the Inner Sea region's biggest personalities or not, though.

After listening to the Know direction podcast from PaxUnplugged with Luis, really Exited about this one!

I really love the idea of "unlocking" options (spells, feats, archetypes) through interactions with these legends/npcs. It is a really cool concept and a really neat way to add some of these characters into your game as a GM (and interact with them in the world as a player)

Looks great and and can't wait to read it.

Is it Gencon yet?

This seems like an amazing addition for DMs to enrich their games. I cant wait to read through this and broaden my knowledge on the world. Great idea by the creative team and I can say with confidence that the more if these you make, the more I will buy! Also, as an older gamer I will be playing through the APs of PF1 for years still. Too slow to keep up with the pace paizo publishe. So rules neutral Source books are great. It is also nice to get stats when you need quick enemies, so I know there is a strong need for that for the PF2 crowd, but I appreciate the idea of continuing to enrich everyone's game! Not that I wouldn't just use the data anyway if it came as PF2...

Maybe they will stat the elven queen of Kyonin?

If you take off the Tricorn hat on Tessa Fairwind, you have Rowyn from Savage Tide Book 1 "There Is No Honor".

Maybe they will stat the elven queen of Kyonin?

There won't be any stats. Check out Luis' post in page 1 for more details.

The elven queen of Kyonin had 3.5 stats in Elves of Golarion.

So this is a book of fluff?

So this is a book of fluff?

Nope, it's a book of lore.

Lore plus rules options related to the various people in the book!

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

So this is a book of fluff?

Nope, it's a book of lore.

Looks at pile of pilfered Build-a- Bear skins.

D'oh!

So this is a book of fluff?

FWIW, many TTRPG creators have an aversion to the term “fluff” and prefer “flavour”. In terms of your query, I think it seems unlikely:

“...as well as the secret techniques, items, and knowledge PCs might gain....
“

reads to me as feats, items and so forth that one might have access to in service to Kyonin’s Queen (or similar).

It's not a book of stat blocks to kill, that what the Bestiary is for!
This is a book of important people, their organizations, quests they can give, boons they can grant and abilities they give access to.

That makes sense

It's also a book with more fiction and stories than previous Paizo hardcovers had, according to Ask JJ thread.

Have we ever gotten confirmation on how big of a book this is? I'm assuming it's around 125 pages like the bulk of the other Lost Omens products, so my guess is this will be structured like Gods & Magic? Some of the biggest names get four pages, the next tier get a couple, and the majority get a page or less? With a bit of room for additional things like backgrounds or boons or items or whatever else is included?

Actually, I suppose we'll start getting some teasers and details in a couple days or so...

Have we ever gotten confirmation on how big of a book this is? I'm assuming it's around 125 pages like the bulk of the other Lost Omens products, so my guess is this will be structured like Gods & Magic? Some of the biggest names get four pages, the next tier get a couple, and the majority get a page or less? With a bit of room for additional things like backgrounds or boons or items or whatever else is included?

Actually, I suppose we'll start getting some teasers and details in a couple days or so...

If we take the number of characters covered into consideration, we are probably getting two pages for each of the 42 of them. A page of lore, a page of options. I'm just dreaming of full body illustrations for each of them (Specially Nex and Geb, if they are included).

But I suppose we are going to see more of this book at Paizocon Online.

If each "personality" has a 4 page spread that puts it at 168 pages of content, plus 5-10 pages of front and back matter.

Gods and Magic is 135.

Look at those illustrations of Nex and Geb. I'm so happy to see them illustrated.

Where is the art.

Where is the art.

World of Golarion panel at Paizo Twitch.

Thought it would be interesting to have a list of already confirmed legends included in the book.

- Old-Mage Jatembe
- Her Infernal Majestrix, Queen Abrogail II
- Hurricane Queen Tessa Fairwind
- Whispering Tyrant
- Grand Princess Eutropia
- Nex
- Geb
- Great Dwarf King Taargick
- Linnorm King White Estrid
- Magaambya member that I can't remember...

I would also love to see the likes of Azaersi, Baba Yaga, the Black Triune, Kevoth-Kul, Blood Mistress Jakalyn, or the Elven Queen.

Yet, my greatest hope is to see non humanoid NPCs included, like Mengkare, Treerazer, or even Kazavon. I'm sad that the Gorilla King is no more, for he was one of my favorite NPCs.

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

Where is the art.

World of Golarion panel at Paizo Twitch.

Nex and Geb illustrations are 48 minutes into this video specifically. And they are fantastic illustrations. I can hardly wait for this book to come out.

Was the page count for this book revealed?

Was the page count for this book revealed?

Unfortunately, no. The only page count they mentioned was for Absalom, since it was being delayed. That's looking to be close, if not over 300 pages.

No word yet on how big Legends is.

I would also love to see the likes of Azaersi, Baba Yaga, the Black Triune, Kevoth-Kul, Blood Mistress Jakalyn, or the Elven Queen.

Kevoth-Kul has been confirmed as in the book, that much I can say.

Page count is 128 pages.

The Gold Sovereign wrote:

I would also love to see the likes of Azaersi, Baba Yaga, the Black Triune, Kevoth-Kul, Blood Mistress Jakalyn, or the Elven Queen.

Kevoth-Kul has been confirmed as in the book, that much I can say.

That's an awesome confirmation. Hope there's also someone tied to the League or to Casandelee.

Page count is 128 pages.

Thanks for the answer Luis!

I don't mind the $35 for the printed book. I know printing is expensive, but $25 for the PDF? Come on now. The cost of the printing is much higher than $10 per book.

I don't mind the $35 for the printed book. I know printing is expensive, but $25 for the PDF? Come on now. The cost of the printing is much higher than $10 per book.

The Lost Omens titles are disproportionately more expensive as PDFs than the other books. I assume it's value-weighting tied to the fact that so much of it is Paizo's copyrighted materials.

Yep yep, the setting material PDFs are all priced normally.

It’s the Rulebooks that have cheap PDFs to get people into the game as a marketing tactic.

I don't mind the $35 for the printed book. I know printing is expensive, but $25 for the PDF? Come on now. The cost of the printing is much higher than $10 per book.

You are correct that printing is expensive.

Don't forget also that high-quality art is expensive. Layout and graphic design are expensive too, if you're paying your workers what they deserve (and since Paizo staff are all local, I certainly hope they're being paid enough to keep up with Seattle-area CoL). Well-written words should be expensive, but because of the saturation of interested amateurs in the industry (and the low price-to-quality ratio expected by customers), even the comparatively well-paying Paizo doesn't pay nearly enough for a dedicated freelancer to come anywhere close to surviving on RPG industry writing.

In short, I'm frankly amazed you can get a product anywhere near the quality of this for as ridiculously cheap as $35 or even $25. I'm glad that lots of people will have the opportunity to enjoy it, at least.

I don't mind the $35 for the printed book. I know printing is expensive, but $25 for the PDF? Come on now. The cost of the printing is much higher than $10 per book.

From the beginning*, Paizo has priced their PDFs (with the exception of the core books, which they have offered at a significant discount) at approximately 70% of the print price. $35 x 0.70 = $24.50.

Or you can subscribe to the print product and get the PDF for free.