Pathfinder Lost Omens: Gods & Magic

Franz Lunzer wrote:

I mean... Milani has boob-window and high-heels armor. That could be offending to some.

There are some people perfectly capable of being offended by just about anything.

I find your statement offensive.

;)

I mean... Milani has boob-window and high-heels armor. That could be offending to some.

Its still MUCH less revealing than her old outfit.

Before she had much more revealing cleavage and you could see her legs completely. She essentially traded her superhero costume into another type of superhero costume :P

Hey all,

Just a friendly reminder that the best response to someone posting a review you don't agree with isn't ragging on the reviewer, it's posting your own reviews expressing your viewpoint. Posts ridiculing someone's reviewing practices are likely to be taken down if they start becoming personal attacks, or just buried over time as the thread continues. The reviews live under that link with the star average posted at the top of the page for the life of the product.

Feros wrote:

Gorbacz wrote:

A 1-star review because the reviewer ... heard that there's sexualized art? That's new in the "didn't read, 0/5" department.

OK, that's just nuts. I went through the book after this and found nine pieces that—based on clothes and/or posing—might be construed as sexualized art. Of those, I would discount all but one: Calistria, the goddess of lust, the only one flashing cleavage and posing in a sexy manner. The rest would have to be interpretation because I had to stretch my imagination to see it.

I thought Besmara edged ahead of Calistria.

Besmara shows leg and cleavage, but isn't posed in a seductive manner. Calistria is the only one who sports both pose and skimpy outfit. As the goddess of lust, however, I would argue that it doesn't count as "unnecessarily sexualized."

EDIT: As Michael Sayre advised, I'll stop commenting on the review and finish writing my own. Best way to counter it. :)

I too need to do better about leaving reviews...I'll try to set aside some time to do so.

Do you only get the free pdf when you have a subscription or does buying the physic book from paizo also get the pdf?

Do you only get the free pdf when you have a subscription or does buying the physic book from paizo also get the pdf?

Only with the subscription.

Is this book out for retail? Developer video says yes but amazon says april 7th.

It is out, but Amazon is notorious for how slow it is to get RPG books across its supply chain.

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Amazon does not make the book, and you can purchase it elsewhere, such as here from the people who do make it :3

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Amazon does not make the book, and you can purchase it elsewhere, such as here from the people who do make it :3

Or somewhere where the overseas shipping costs and the prospect of paying VAT on the top of the listed price doesn't kill you :P

I would buy it from pazio but that shipping cost kills it or from my local game store but they closed. Looks like B&N has it on the 2/11. Thanks for confirming the dates, thought I was going crazy.

I'm disappointed Groetus is listed as Harm only and not open to CG characters. I really liked what the Kingmaker video game did with the Harbinger of Last Days, and a few new bits here seem like a rejection of that lore. It emphasized he's not the cause of the end ("chaotic neutral" for a reason), it's just inevitable. One ending even has a priest of his

I'm disappointed Groetus is listed as Harm only and not open to CG characters. I really liked what the Kingmaker video game did with the Harbinger of Last Days, and a few new bits here seem like a rejection of that lore. It emphasized he's not the cause of the end ("chaotic neutral" for a reason), it's just inevitable. One ending even has a priest of his

** spoiler omitted **

Groetus is still a god of destruction; they're not going to grant healing. And while you could have a CG worshiper that takes a rather sunny disposition on the eventual destruction of everything, Groetus isn't going to grant them divine power.

Page 59, Ghlaunder: "Cleric Spells 1st: goblin pox, 2nd: vomit swarm (Pathfinder Advanced Player’s Guide), 3rd: insect form"

Oh yes? Is this preperation for the forthcoming APG in August, or a mistake referring to the 1E version?

Page 59, Ghlaunder: "Cleric Spells 1st: goblin pox, 2nd: vomit swarm (Pathfinder Advanced Player’s Guide), 3rd: insect form"

Oh yes? Is this preperation for the forthcoming APG in August, or a mistake referring to the 1E version?

In the appendix you'll se even more references to the APG, and I'm pretty sure it's the upcoming one.

Nope, prep from the upcoming book is correct :3

Edit: ninjaed

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Amazon does not make the book, and you can purchase it elsewhere, such as here from the people who do make it :3

Amazon actually list the "release date" as April 10th (after what they say is the release data for the GMG in March), which is very odd.

Rysky wrote:

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Amazon does not make the book, and you can purchase it elsewhere, such as here from the people who do make it :3

Amazon actually list the "release date" as April 10th (after what they say is the release data for the GMG in March), which is very odd.

Amazon is terrible about getting RPG books out. My suggestion would be to just hit your local store or B&N. You should get it soon there. If you don't want to do that, buy the PDF.

I will need to update my Alignments-Deities-Domains analysis, but many deities here allow fewer alignments than in PF1, though a few allow more, as opposed to the CRB 20.

I feel that overall it reduces Golarion's otherwise incredible variety of possibilities for PCs.

It was fun figuring out the motivations of a CG Cleric of Gorum or Groetus that would not feel contrived.

Most of them were contrived though :p

Neither made any sense, unless your goal was "theoretical construct I can argue about with people who never played the game".

IIRC Gorum's description in Inner Sea Gods as the deity of "will you fight?", ie patron of those that refuse to give up and prefer to die fighting could be quite an inspiration for a proper CG hero.

And Groetus' followers are depicted as the mad ones. Making them all evil when other deities of madness are Evil feeds the mad = evil conceit.

Maybe that is why Tsukiyo was later introduced as a Good deity of the moon and madness. Who is now opened to CG Clerics.

Is wishing for things to end so UnGood?

Neither made any sense, unless your goal was "theoretical construct I can argue about with people who never played the game".

And yet many posters seem to have no problem with CG worshippers of those two gods. And then strive to justify why these cannot be Clerics.

Is it bad to adhere to a vision of Golarion's deities based on what was possible in PF1 even if it is no longer possible in PF2?

I'm myself mostly salty about neutral worshipers of all the evil gods that didn't make sense in 1e xD

Gorbacz wrote:

Neither made any sense, unless your goal was "theoretical construct I can argue about with people who never played the game".

And yet many posters seem to have no problem with CG worshippers of those two gods. And then strive to justify why these cannot be Clerics.

Is it bad to adhere to a vision of Golarion's deities based on what was possible in PF1 even if it is no longer possible in PF2?

And many did.

Gorum has some decent aspects, which is why he is CN and not CE. He’s war for the sake of war. That’s not a Good thing.

Groetus is entropy, the herald of the end. Not really anything Good in there but plenty and easy ways for Evil to go.

Page 59, Ghlaunder: "Cleric Spells 1st: goblin pox, 2nd: vomit swarm (Pathfinder Advanced Player’s Guide), 3rd: insect form"

Oh yes? Is this preperation for the forthcoming APG in August, or a mistake referring to the 1E version?

I am happy to see that vomit swarm is making it into 2nd edition!

Now we just need Beguiling Gift, Compelling Rant, Deathclutch, Lipstitch & Skinsend and I will have all of my favourite spells with which to torment my players.

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Amazon does not make the book, and you can purchase it elsewhere, such as here from the people who do make it :3

The problem is not Amazon. I work in a smal gamesstore. When i want stuff from Paizo, i need to wait 6 weeks and pray everyday. and then, maybe paizo will send the stuff to europe. sometimes i think paizo dont want to make money in europe...

Rysky wrote:

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Amazon does not make the book, and you can purchase it elsewhere, such as here from the people who do make it :3

The problem is not Amazon. I work in a smal gamesstore. When i want stuff from Paizo, i need to wait 6 weeks and pray everyday. and then, maybe paizo will send the stuff to europe. sometimes i think paizo dont want to make money in europe...

You're not dealing with Paizo directly, you're dealing with the distributor, just like Amazon does. And distributors in general and European in particular ... are wobbly. And even when they aren't, they tend to prioritize stuff that sells (5e) over a sideshow.

And Europe is, hate to break it in, something like 10% of D&D/PF market. Between everybody wanting their own language edition (and having to work with local companies to get them done), every country having its own peculiarities, several countries having their Favourite Fantasy RPG (Germany = DSA, Poland = Warhammer), it's really not a priority market if you can make fat cash in 80% of your market that's US+CAN without all those issues.

dieMinne wrote:

Rysky wrote:

(For all future inquiries)

Amazon does not make the book, and you can purchase it elsewhere, such as here from the people who do make it :3

The problem is not Amazon. I work in a smal gamesstore. When i want stuff from Paizo, i need to wait 6 weeks and pray everyday. and then, maybe paizo will send the stuff to europe. sometimes i think paizo dont want to make money in europe...

You're not dealing with Paizo directly, you're dealing with the distributor, just like Amazon does. And distributors in general and European in particular ... are wobbly. And even when they aren't, they tend to prioritize stuff that sells (5e) over a sideshow.

And Europe is, hate to break it in, something like 10% of D&D/PF market. Between everybody wanting their own language edition (and having to work with local companies to get them done), every country having its own peculiarities, several countries having their Favourite Fantasy RPG (Germany = DSA, Poland = Warhammer), it's really not a priority market if you can make fat cash in 80% of your market that's US+CAN without all those issues.

You are right its 10% of the market, but still a lot of money.

Yes i have my distributor, but they would loooooove to work faster with Paizo. Because the market for pf2 in europe wants to grow. But you cant get the Books, amazon is waiting for the delivery from Paizo, the distributors are waiting for Paizo eeeerveryone waits. And when you get it, the chance is very high that the product is broken.

It would be intresting if thats a blind spot for Paizo?

Back to topic, i orderd Gods and Magic for my Shop 4 Weeks ago. Maybe it will arrive next week. It will not be my bestseller but some costumers are waiting.

Is it bad to adhere to a vision of Golarion's deities based on what was possible in PF1 even if it is no longer possible in PF2?

I find this a bit disconcerting considering Paizo has said that any story in Golarion that could be told with PF1 can be told with PF2.

In fairness, Paizo was never going to write an NPC CG worshipper of Groetus for Pathfinder Classic either.

If you want them in your campaign, go nuts, no one from Paizo will be banging on your door because you do things differently.

The Raven Black wrote:

Is it bad to adhere to a vision of Golarion's deities based on what was possible in PF1 even if it is no longer possible in PF2?

I find this a bit disconcerting considering Paizo has said that any story in Golarion that could be told with PF1 can be told with PF2.

Some stories aren’t worth telling.

CG followers of Gorum, N followers of Folca, CN followers of Socothbenoth, LN followers of Zepar.

Ed Reppert wrote:

The Raven Black wrote:

Is it bad to adhere to a vision of Golarion's deities based on what was possible in PF1 even if it is no longer possible in PF2?

I find this a bit disconcerting considering Paizo has said that any story in Golarion that could be told with PF1 can be told with PF2.

Some stories aren’t worth telling.

CG followers of Gorum, N followers of Folca, CN followers of Socothbenoth, LN followers of Zepar.

I will be sure to tell that to my Jade Regent player who loved having the opportunity to play her CG Rage Prophet of Gorum.

Not to mention the versatile channeling Cleric of Pharasma I played with the most rich and poignant character story I ever had for any of my Golarion PCs.

In fairness, Paizo was never going to write an NPC CG worshipper of Groetus for Pathfinder Classic either.

If you want them in your campaign, go nuts, no one from Paizo will be banging on your door because you do things differently.

Indeed. And we can always write CN on the sheet while playing CG. After all so many did this while playing CE.

But there is a certain elegance of being able to tell your stories while keeping 100% sincerely faithful to RAW.

Sure, CG followers of Gorum are just as pointless. War is death, destruction, sexual assault, ethnic cleansing, broken families, hatred, orphaned kids and a ton of ugly, bad, wrong things which you could get away with by being a CN shortsighted "I'm in it for the thrill" idiot, but a Good character? Never.

captain yesterday wrote:

In fairness, Paizo was never going to write an NPC CG worshipper of Groetus for Pathfinder Classic either.

If you want them in your campaign, go nuts, no one from Paizo will be banging on your door because you do things differently.

Indeed. And we can always write CN on the sheet while playing CG. After all so many did this while playing CE.

But there is a certain elegance of being able to tell your stories while keeping 100% sincerely faithful to RAW.

You can play faithfully to RAW, you'll just have to pick a different deity (and make sure you offer a blessing to "Macho Man" Randy Savage).

Also, there are SO MANY deities in the appendix surely you can find one that fits your idea with the alignment you envision.

Sure, CG followers of Gorum are just as pointless. War is death, destruction, sexual assault, ethnic cleansing, broken families, hatred, orphaned kids and a ton of ugly, bad, wrong things which you could get away with by being a CN shortsighted "I'm in it for the thrill" idiot, but a Good character? Never.

That is your vision of it, and likely shared by Paizo too. Even though Iomedae is also a goddess of War.

But others may see War as conflict, the opposite of meekly surrendering, being willing to die rather than give up your convictions. Or exalting in fighting no matter the odds, whether you win or lose in the end. Growing stronger through overcoming adversity and keeping true to who you are.
All of which does not necessarily entail the atrocities you mention.

Yeah, there’s plenty deities of honorable combat and the like for boisterous CG folks.

Yeah, there’s plenty deities of honorable combat and the like for boisterous CG folks.

And yet none spoke to my player like Gorum's "will you fight?"

Sekhmet, CN Osirian deity of battle allows CG spellcasters.

So does Count Ranalc, Eldest of betrayal or whatever.

There's also Hanspur, Sun Wukong, and Ashukharma.

In fairness, Paizo was never going to write an NPC CG worshipper of Groetus for Pathfinder Classic either.

If you want them in your campaign, go nuts, no one from Paizo will be banging on your door because you do things differently.

We might.

Gorum just isn't that noble as what you are declaring, nor are majority of deities just batteries to get power from :p