Pathfinder Core Rulebook

I don't like the red dragon design, but the rest looks good.

So paladin is now called "champion"?

I won't pre-order this, because of the Playtest, but i'll be taking a hard look at it day one (and probably buy it to understand the stats).

Will this order include the PDF version or is that only if you get it through the PF Subscription?

Paladin is the lawful good version of the champion. There are two others (NG, CG) included in the Core Rulebook, and one presumes we might do still others in the future.

Will this order include the PDF version or is that only if you get it through the PF Subscription?

You do not get a PDF with the print edition preorder. They must be purchased separately.

Caledonia wrote:

Will this order include the PDF version or is that only if you get it through the PF Subscription?

You do not get a PDF with the print edition preorder. They must be purchased separately.

Thanks for the quick reply. Now to wait for the Tax Return :)

Just to make sure. It looks like my current Pathfinder 1E subscription will automatically migrate to 2E and I don't have to separately preorder this or wait until other subscriptions become available?

Edit: Seems this is all answered in the FAQ, and it seems the answer is yes!

Quite a number of pages more than the PF1 rulebook, I am very much looking forward to this one ^^

I'm sorry, I've not preordered anything before on Paizo. Does it mean if you preorder, those orders are shipped out to customers on the 8th? Or is that just when you have inventory? Reason why I ask is the August 1st date.

All aboard the hype train. Even though I wasn't in love with the playtest, I trust Paizo will do a good job with the final version.

Caledonia wrote:

Will this order include the PDF version or is that only if you get it through the PF Subscription?

You do not get a PDF with the print edition preorder. They must be purchased separately.

But do you if you subscribe to the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscription?

Also, wondering how do I subscribe and get both the Core and the Bestiary... says start with one or the other.

Also, wondering how do I subscribe and get both the Core and the Bestiary... says start with one or the other.

The FAQ says if you start with the core rulebook you'll get both.

Paladin is the lawful good version of the champion. There are two others (NG, CG) included in the Core Rulebook, and one presumes we might do still others in the future.

Was hoping to try the LE version of the Champion on launch but I guess I'll go Ranger then.

You can play a LE ranger easily! :)

Any chance of a pocket edition in the not too distant future? The quality of life improvement was amazing for carrying around conventions. Thank you!

It'll happen eventually, but probably not for the first year at least.

Just to clarify, will this be a hardcover? I'd assume so, since that seems to be standard operating procedure for flagship books, but the Deluxe Edition explicitly says hardcover and this one does not.

Both are hardcovers.

So for people planning on being at GenCon, will we be able to pre-order and pick up our books at the convention?

Erik Mona wrote:

Caledonia wrote:

Will this order include the PDF version or is that only if you get it through the PF Subscription?

You do not get a PDF with the print edition preorder. They must be purchased separately.

Thanks for the quick reply. Now to wait for the Tax Return :)

Side note, if we have the subscription, will we get the pdf with the book through that? (and I'm sorry if someone's already asked this and it's been answered.)

Seoni and Valeros were kicked off the cover? I think they need to speak to their agents to get better billing. A bit surprised Fumbus isn't there to show off the new kid. But Merisiel sneaking in is expected. I do like the art, but I expected to. It's a Wayne Reynolds piece after all. Has definite callbacks to the PF1 cover, but also shows that it's new.

640 pages. That's a beefy book. 65 more than PF1 and 206 more than the playtest. So clearly there will be more options than the playtest had.

I'm not the biggest fan of the playtest, but I've got my fingers crossed for this. Eagerly waiting for details.

So for people planning on being at GenCon, will we be able to pre-order and pick up our books at the convention?

NielsenE wrote:

If I have subscriptions to basically everything, and am buying a copy of the deluxe version outside the subscription, are any of these slated for GenCon pickup?

Very likely yes, but we haven't made any announcements about Gen Con pick up yet.

Side note, if we have the subscription, will we get the pdf with the book through that? (and I'm sorry if someone's already asked this and it's been answered.)

Rycaut wrote:

So what is the answer re PDFs (I assume the remain a part of subscriptions?)

also if you are a subscriber currently (and plan to rollover) will there be an option to get the limited edition versions?

We are still finalizing details on subscription benefits for all these lines, so for the time being we don't have an answer to this questions. Please stay tuned. We'll definitely make sure the benefits are clear well before August.

There is a thread just for subscription questions, though so far the only answers for those particular questions is Reply Hazy Try Again Later.

You can play a LE ranger easily! :)

Thats the plan now

When pdf's will become available ? and what will be the prices ? asking for the folk who genarly uses digital content and not have money to buy everything in hard cover ^^'

It'll happen eventually, but probably not for the first year at least.

That's great to hear, Erik!

Sorry for being off topic, i don't know where else to ask.

Seoni and Valeros were kicked off the cover? I think they need to speak to their agents to get better billing. A bit surprised Fumbus isn't there to show off the new kid. But Merisiel sneaking in is expected. I do like the art, but I expected to. It's a Wayne Reynolds piece after all. Has definite callbacks to the PF1 cover, but also shows that it's new.

640 pages. That's a beefy book. 65 more than PF1 and 206 more than the playtest. So clearly there will be more options than the playtest had.

I'm not the biggest fan of the playtest, but I've got my fingers crossed for this. Eagerly waiting for details.

Kyra, Merisiel, and Harsk? That combo makes sense; NG, CN, and LN. They could perhaps have subbed Sajan for Harsk, but using a dwarf makes more sense than another human.

I like the expanded book length. Every bit of playtest errata was an improvement, and I am very curious to see the final product.

I think of the cover as the continuation of the combat encounter of the cover of Pathfinder 1. Same dragon, same ruins, different characters, as if they were in another part of the encounter

Hmm I want to subscribe but I buy the books primarily to collect and use the PDFs because I primarily game through virtual table top. The pdfs are the only thing that currently makes Subscribing worth it. Im curious why they would change that. I want to support Paizo and I want to sub but without a PDF the value simply isnt there with the shipping costs. Lets hope they keep it the way it is.

I do like the cover.

Hmm I want to subscribe but I buy the books primarily to collect and use the PDFs because I primarily game through virtual table top. The pdfs are the only thing that currently makes Subscribing worth it. Im curious why they would change that. I want to support Paizo and I want to sub but without a PDF the value simply isnt there with the shipping costs. Lets hope they keep it the way it is.

Are you referring to not getting a pdf with the pre-order? I think that has always been the case. Getting this via a pre-order vs getting this via the pathfinder subscription are not the same thing.

Presumably the appropriate subscriptions will still include the free pdf

Paizo folks, correct me if I am wrong.

Vexies wrote:

Hmm I want to subscribe but I buy the books primarily to collect and use the PDFs because I primarily game through virtual table top. The pdfs are the only thing that currently makes Subscribing worth it. Im curious why they would change that. I want to support Paizo and I want to sub but without a PDF the value simply isnt there with the shipping costs. Lets hope they keep it the way it is.

Are you referring to not getting a pdf with the pre-order? I think that has always been the case. Getting this via a pre-order vs getting this via the pathfinder subscription are not the same thing.

Presumably the appropriate subscriptions will still include the free pdf

Paizo folks, correct me if I am wrong.

Yeah Im aware for pre-orders and thats completely understood. I was speaking to the Subscriber benefits themselves. They are apparently still being hammered out so I was simply voicing my concern and support for the free pdf remaining as a benefit to subscribing. I will probably order a few separate copies and was planing on subbing as well will wait to see what the benefits end up being.

Question, it says pre-order expected July so is that when the pre-order ends or is that when we can expect delivery?

Will the price tag for the PDF of the rulebook line stay at $9.99?

It also says

*** Please disregard the availability information below. This item will be available August 1, 2019.***

Presumably the appropriate subscriptions will still include the free pdf

Paizo folks, correct me if I am wrong.

It looks like no change there.

The RPG Rulebook Subscription page states that a free PDF is included, AND it also says that both the PF2e Core Rulebook and Bestiary will be part of the subscription.

Consequently: The PDF will be included with a subscription to the rulebook line.

I'm curious if the font size for the new CRB is the same as the 1st edition? In other words, what's the total word count?

I'm trying to compare the amount of content between the two books. More so out of curiosity than anything...

I'm curious if the font size for the new CRB is the same as the 1st edition?

Oh please god no. I need reading glasses for normal size print... :)

In the cover art — what is going on with Merisiel?

It's like she has an extra arm and her head is twisted backwards.

... also I think all of the characters are facing away from the dragon attacking them? (I noticed this because I'm hoping Merisiel's right leg is in front, rather than her left leg, as otherwise her waist is rather unpleasantly contorted — hard to tell with the position of the book title.)

I guess that kind of makes sense in terms of sheltering from dragon breath, though perhaps not the most heroic pose.

My negative last comment is that the pile of treasure is rather tiny.

Other than this, I do like the art a lot — the dragon pulling its way through the arch in order to claw them, while breathing fire down on them is very dynamic. Kyra looks good, and Harsk suddenly has bright red hair, but otherwise looks good.

I really didn't mean this post to be negative — I'm really looking forward to 2nd Ed coming out. My eyes just aren't understanding Merisiel's pose/extra arm.

In the cover art — what is going on with Merisiel?

It's like she has an extra arm and her head is twisted backwards.

It's Kyra's leg/foot.

Ramanujan wrote:

In the cover art — what is going on with Merisiel?

It's like she has an extra arm and her head is twisted backwards.

It's Kyra's leg/foot.

I hope not. She’s standing behind that block with her other leg, if the mystery shape is a leg it’s bizarrely long and she’s about to fall backwards.

It might be a quiver on Merisiel’ back that is hanging towards the ground while the rest of her body twists.

Rysky wrote:

Ramanujan wrote:

In the cover art — what is going on with Merisiel?

It's like she has an extra arm and her head is twisted backwards.

It's Kyra's leg/foot.

I hope not. She’s standing behind that block with her other leg,

She's bracing with her left leg, you can see all the weight on it.

In the cover art — what is going on with Merisiel?

It's like she has an extra arm and her head is twisted backwards.

... also I think all of the characters are facing away from the dragon attacking them? (I noticed this because I'm hoping Merisiel's right leg is in front, rather than her left leg, as otherwise her waist is rather unpleasantly contorted — hard to tell with the position of the book title.)

I guess that kind of makes sense in terms of sheltering from dragon breath, though perhaps not the most heroic pose.

I think that they've been ambushed by the dragon, and are just turning to face it.

I hope that they have the shipping thing fixed from the Playtest fiasco.

I hope that they have the shipping thing fixed from the Playtest fiasco.

They'll most likely be shipping inhouse this time, so yes.

I hope that they have the shipping thing fixed from the Playtest fiasco.

Looks like this will be shipped like all their other products. The Playtest was an attempt to make sure everyone got their playtest materials on the same date; it backfired.

I'll likely be getting one of these for review on my YouTube channel. It is frustrating that they aren't including the pdf with physical purchases though.

I'll likely be getting one of these for review on my YouTube channel. It is frustrating that they aren't including the pdf with physical purchases though.

I don't think they EVER have, unless you're a subscriber. If it's that big of a deal, subscribe.

I'll likely be getting one of these for review on my YouTube channel. It is frustrating that they aren't including the pdf with physical purchases though.

You can subscribe. If you’re going to get it from them anyway there’s really no reason not to. You can cancel after it’s shipped if you don’t want anything else.

Note that they haven’t actually confirmed free PDFs as a continued perk for subscribing, but I think it’s highly likely.

I like the new Pathfinder logo!
It's less elaborate, but clearer, more legible. I like the sandy texture, the colour combination better and I like the subtle shine towards the middle, I think it conveys the idea of being a guiding light ("path finder").
Well done!

My only problem with the cover is the red dragon's appearance. This is not how they are supposed to look in Pathfinder. I miss the spikes that makes their wings do piercing damage, and they have no horn melee attacks, as they have no horns (playtest).

My only problem with the cover is the red dragon's appearance. This is not how they are supposed to look in Pathfinder. I miss the spikes that makes their wings do piercing damage, and they have no horn melee attacks, as they have no horns (playtest).

My only problem is that is all wrong. All wing attacks do bludgeoning damage and always have, per the natural attacks universal monster rule (I can't find any dragon specific rule granting piercing on their wings), and the presence or absence of physical body parts is not perfectly correlated with usable natural attacks.