Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Concordance of Rivals

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Monitors—neutral outsiders dedicated to maintaining their views of the universe—reject the battles between the wicked and the righteous and instead war over the underpinnings of reality. Join the cosmic debate with the secrets and esoteric lore found within, including:

  • Details on 24 monitor demigods—such as primal inevitables; protean lords; psychopomp ushers; and the mysterious aeon known as Monad, the Condition of All—and the divine powers they bestow upon mortal worshippers!
  • Rules for the proctor prestige class, along with information about different monitor sects, mantras for summoning monitors, and esoteric occult rituals that harness the power of monitor divinities.
  • A bestiary of new monitors and their roles within the universe, including irresponsible illureshi protean sorcerers, morbai psychopomp masters of healing and poisons, and knowledge-erasing agnoia aeons!

Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Concordance of Rivals is intended for use with the Pathfinder campaign setting, but it can be easily adapted to any fantasy world.

ISBN-13: 978-1-64078-127-6

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Solid, hook-rich slab of lore

5/5

First, fair warning: this is mostly a book of lore, with relatively little crunch. There's one feat, one prestige class, no magic items, and no spells. Remember -- this is the very last Campaign Setting book for Pathfinder's First Edition. It wouldn't really make sense for Paizo to publish a lot of spells and feats for a game system that's about to cease existing. But the lore will continue to be valid through 2nd edition, so most of what's in this book will still be good for years to come.

The quality is quite high. The lore is full of hooks that you can add to your campaign. The art is, as usual, lovely.

There are some minor issues. The Proctor class has a rather silly entrance requirement. Several of the monster entries have the weirdly common Paizo problem of "stat block plus art takes up all the page, so the monster only gets a single sentence describing what it actually is". (Guys, can you please fix this for 2nd edition?) And if you're going to have eight whole pages of lore written by the fallen angel, maybe put it in a slightly easier-to-read font?

But these are quibbles. Over all this is a solid, meaty slab of worldbuilding. It should leave any DM thinking "Oh gosh, I could use this in my campaign" at least half a dozen different times. And you can't ask for more than that.


Stuff I've always wanted

5/5

So I've always wanted to have all Good/Neutral/Evil axis demigods fleshed outs and I've finally gotten that. Sure there are still some left that are still only mentioned only in bestiaries, but with this books, Primal Inevitables, Protean Lords, Psychopomp Ushers and the Monad finally have backstory info and other stuff :D

There are no class or feat options besides monitor obedience and proctor class in this nor is there items(artifact for Concordance of Rivals being absent is kinda weird, but it makes me hopeful it might appear in future AP or something), but that just means more room for flavor :D

I'm actually kinda surprised, but Primal Inevitables are now my favourite type of monitor lords. Machine gods have always been appealing to me, but reason I got into them was how as demigods of absolute law and order their areas of concerns are really mundane and structured. Like for example, one of missing ones was demigod of calendars.

My current ranking of monitor demigods is primal inevitabls > monad = psychopomp ushers > protean lords. Issue I have with proteans in general that as random shapeshifitng chaos beasts, they are ALL snakes with two legs, though third of the new introduced bestiary proteans finally strikes my fancy as while they still have serpentine shape, they are way more chaotic and weird looking than majority of other proteans.

In general, all of new bestiary monsters are great, flavorful and weird :D Only two of the proteans, while cool that they fill lower cr roles, seem kinda standard to me, rest of them are wonderfully weird to me.

I think thats good way to summarize this book, its wonderfully weird. All of monitor demigods are some of the most interesting neutral aligned deities in the whole game.

(plus Pharasma backstory is cool. Plus I'm now formulating conspiracy theory of there being two or three different Asmodeus and the one in hell just stole other ones' name as he is prince of lies)


Glad we got this before the edition change...

5/5

It's a format Paizo has some experience with by now- the three volumes of the Book of the Damned, then the hardcover, the Chronicle of the Righteous- all the fingerprints of those books are on this one- but it's a more refined product than those earlier ones, benefiting from both greater experience- and more oddball subject matter.

The "monitors" (Monitor is to neutral outsider as Celestial is to good and Fiend is to evil) get codified a bit, and there, of course, some new faces, but the real meat of this sucker is in the various neutral-aligned Monitor demigod writeups.

Full disclosure: I'm a sucker for Psychopomps, so I found their Ushers the most engaging, but just about every category has something cool to run with.

It was also nice to see a bunch of demigods NOT saddled with Alignment domains for Clerics...


Lust for Gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

4/5

Zapp: I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.

I have been waiting for this book be published for years now, and it finally arrived on my door step.

The largest part of the book is dedicated to exploring the various demigods that by and by cause reality in the pathfinder world to function (ensuring that gravity works and that atoms spin) and so far I have enjoyed this section. Much love was poured into making each of these leaders among psychopomps, proteans, inevitables, and aeons.

I found the bestiary very enjoyable and was quite happy to see my beloved harbingers of chaos getting some much needed love and attention by overtaking around half the bestiary all to themselves.

My only major gripes rest with the player options section of the book. The proctor prestige class stat-wise seems to be fairly balanced in power to the prestige classes found in the Book of Damned and the Chronicles of the Righteous, I found the class requirement of having to willingly turn down the aid of a celestial or fiend to be circumstantial at best. It seems rather detrimental to deliberately summon a CR10 good or evil outsider just to deliberately refuse it's aid to fulfill a class requirement, as immortals of any alignment can hold grudges lasting far longer than any mortal lifetime.

My other gripe with this section was that it did not contain any magical items that were themed for those with a heart the color of freshly poured cement. Particularly the absence of the in-game stats for the Concordance of Rivals artifact. The sister volumes of the works of Tabris have stats in their own books and I thought it a shame that this, one of the final published works for 1E was missing such an iconic detail. I'm sure I could create my own version to reflect the artifacts of the prior books with the power to smite those with extremism in their hearts and spells that reflect a soul tinted by the color of slate, but I still find this absence of the key detail to be a disappointment.

All in all, I find the book an enjoyable. There is honestly enough fluff and potential plot hooks in this book to keep me and my players busy as we prepare to continue the epic struggle between good and neutral.


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Plus, IIRC, Jistkan Automatons are basically human/other souls and minds uploaded into Construct bodies. Which is a different kettle of fish from Outsiders who are created by their individual Outer Planes.


Will this book have anything for player characters/classes/races? Sometimes campaign setting books do have such things.

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Yes, it will. Following the example set in Book of the Damned and Chronicle of the Righteous, this books features obediences for the demigods. There are also other options here and there, including a prestige class for followers of these demigods.


Luis,

Are you telling me there's a prestige class for Ceyanan the Shepard???

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Much like the Demoniac, Diabolist, Mystery Cultist, and Souldrinker that came before, there will be a prestige class that is suited for worshipers of any monitor demigod, including followers of Ceyanan.

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So do we have full list of psychopomp ushers somewhere anyway?

Ones I can think of are Dammar the Denied, Shadix Who Dreams, and Vonymos the Mourning Storm and everyone listed in bestiary


All I want to know is if there was enough space for an illustration of each deity and if there are cool monsters in the bestiary.


If it's set up like Chronicles of the Righteous and the Books of the Damned, then six of the demigods will be illustrated - 4 demigods per 2 page spread, with one illustration per spread.

I suspect it'll deliver on the monsters, though - Pathfinder's planar monsters are bonkers.

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Come to think about it, do you think this book will include Kami Lords?

I mean, unless they introduce lot of new demigods fora ll mentioned categories, Monad is single one, we only know few named protean lords, no primal invetables and lot of ushers. So would make sense to include more misc demigod categories. Though I'm not really confident about Kami appearing since I don't think they count as "monitors" since they have all non evil alignments


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I have no strong opinion on this one way or another -

The Neutral President


Zhangar wrote:

If it's set up like Chronicles of the Righteous and the Books of the Damned, then six of the demigods will be illustrated - 4 demigods per 2 page spread, with one illustration per spread.

I suspect it'll deliver on the monsters, though - Pathfinder's planar monsters are bonkers.

I'm actually taking the CotR as reference, in which 36 empyreal lords were covered, and 12 of them illustrated, in a total of 24 pages. There are 54 empyreal lords mentioned in that book.

There are 24 demigods in Concordance - as per the product description - so they could still use the same amount of pages to cover one deity per page with illustrations.

Although I'm managing my expectations...

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lol I just want to see the writeup for Phlegyas, Consoler of Athiests and Saloc, Minder of Immortals.

I pray for a Phlegyas who is just a psychologist with glasses who spends most of eternity bent over a desk, his brow knitted as he rubs his temples beside a massive couch, where the newest soul lays as he tries to explain that the afterlife is real and so are the gods for the eighteen trillion, nine billion, four hundred and twelve million, six hundred twenty seven thousand, and eight time this month.

Give me the exasperated followers of the conselor.


A couple of questions.

Will there be Evangelist/Exalted/Sentinel boons for each of the new deities like in the Book of the Damned, or will they be single boon setups for the new prestige class? It'd be a bit unfortunate to only be able to build into one prestige to get the boons instead of having options.

Will there be illustrations for each of the new deities? With 24 in the list, that theoretically is enough space.

Will there be images of the holy symbols of the new deities?

Will there be information on the various planar realms associated with these deities similar to Book of the Damned?


Will there be an aeon-blooded native outsider race?

Dark Archive

Probably not, the planetouched races tend to be more planar flavored specifically.

Also Aeon blooded anything would raise really many questions

Dark Archive

Some lucky subscribers should be able to download their pdfs soon.

A list of contents (with creature names) would be much appreciated. :-)

Dark Archive

I almost feel like subscribing just to have pdf early, but I can't afford physical product + shipping costs right now :p

But yeah, if anybody gets it early, I'd like to know which categories demigods belong to, what is their names & titles and whether Monad is full "god" or not mechanics wise :p


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I've got it, and what this reveals about Pharasma's place in the cosmos...wow.


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Assuming you believe Tabris or that his sources know what they were talking about! ;).

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Can't we have a reliable narrator for once? Maybe ... Nyarlathotep? Or ... Groetus? Rovagug? Anybody who's just a straight truth talker, not some cosmic fake news generator?

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Tabris IS kinda biased source since he went back to edit two other books after finishing them when he started to write book of the damned :P

(I think its still kinda telling he didn't bother editing all three of the books to report all alignment stuff, since according to him only evil is endless)

Anyway, pretty please can we get list of deities and titles and what group they belong to? o-o I'm dying to get this book

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Personally, I believe Tabris. But I, too, am biased.

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John Compton wrote:
Personally, I believe Tabris. But I, too, am biased.

But if you believe Tabris, then aren't you, gasp, evil?

I mean, reading his final book literally turns you insane and evil if you read it almost completely (since you can't get to knowledge point 0 because its infinite book insertsadfaceemojihere)

Come to think about it, guy must have never read his own selfwriting book since he was still like LN right?

(well I guess he could have made the willsaves but eh details)

Anyhoo, seriously though, I know Paizo loves portraying archons and angels as jerks, but agathions and azatas have been pretty safe from that portrayal, so clearly Tabris has to be wrong about all celestials being bad hypocrites :D

(on sidenote, if Tabris is right about forces of good sucking, does that mean he agrees with Rovagug about existence should end? <_<)

...yeah I'm going stir crazy from not having this book for next three weeks ;-;

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CorvusMask wrote:
John Compton wrote:
Personally, I believe Tabris. But I, too, am biased.

But if you believe Tabris, then aren't you, gasp, evil?

I mean, reading his final book literally turns you insane and evil if you read it almost completely (since you can't get to knowledge point 0 because its infinite book insertsadfaceemojihere)

Come to think about it, guy must have never read his own selfwriting book since he was still like LN right?

(well I guess he could have made the willsaves but eh details)

Anyhoo, seriously though, I know Paizo loves portraying archons and angels as jerks, but agathions and azatas have been pretty safe from that portrayal, so clearly Tabris has to be wrong about all celestials being bad hypocrites :D

(on sidenote, if Tabris is right about forces of good sucking, does that mean he agrees with Rovagug about existence should end? <_<)

...yeah I'm going stir crazy from not having this book for next three weeks ;-;

I think you'll enjoy all five of these in-world excepts, but especially the last one. There's a lot to uncover if you read between the lines.

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So hey, the book is out finally and it was a blast to work on and a pleasure to do so alongside my other fantastic co-authors. I did the protean and axiomite elements of the book, so any questions about that content I'll happily field within the bounds of what I can as a freelancer.

Also yes, the illureshi protean in CoR was probably one of my favorite monsters to have ever created. :D


So...I don't suppose we'd get a feat listing? Magic items? Spells? perhaps even a brief listing of bestiary?


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Feros wrote:
I've got it, and what this reveals about Pharasma's place in the cosmos...wow.

Anything you wanna share? :) Do we have spoiler tags on this forum? You could use those if we have. :D

CorvusMask wrote:
But if you believe Tabris, then aren't you, gasp, evil?

I think he means he believes Tabris about Pharasma's place in the cosmos, seeing as he wrote it.

I certainly hope not to get confirmation of Tabris' views regarding Celestials of the "infinity of evil", because frankly, grimdark despair-inducing musings on evil are... Boring. Extremely so.

Still, I gotta wait for the PDF before knowing one way or the other... Unless some kind soul decides to share wink wink


Can anyone share with us anything about the Primal Inevitables? They are the deities I know close to nothing and would like to known their names and their areas of interest.

And, in the end, how many deities got illustrated?


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Patrick C. wrote:
Feros wrote:
I've got it, and what this reveals about Pharasma's place in the cosmos...wow.

Anything you wanna share? :) Do we have spoiler tags on this forum? You could use those if we have. :D

...

Still, I gotta wait for the PDF before knowing one way or the other... Unless some kind soul decides to share wink wink

Well...

Pharasma:
...Pharasma is the oldest being in creation, the last survivor of the end of the last cosmos. She witnessed the beginning and she will witness the end. She was there before the Qlippoths and Rovagug, before all the gods. Only those beings beyond the Multiverse are older, as they have always been and always will be.

To protect the new-formed cosmos from these Outer or Elder Gods, the Survivor set about creating reality. But instead of designing it, she let a combination of order from chaos drive the forms, allowing them to proceed as they would rather than by set design. In this way, the mistakes of the last reality would not by necessity be brought into this new reality. From this she saw the strands of fate and could see far into the future.

That is paraphrased, of course. There is a LOT more detail and implications. So many things are revealed here, most only ever so slightly. It is amazing. :)


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
So...I don't suppose we'd get a feat listing? Magic items? Spells? perhaps even a brief listing of bestiary?

Feats:
Easy: there aren't any!

Magic Items:
Also easy: there aren't any!

Spells:
No Spells, as such, but will rituals do?

DIVERT SOUL: A ritual for taking a soul away from judgement to a plane of the caster's choosing. Psychopomps hate this.

INVARIABILITY: Subject looks somewhat like an inevitable and the first d20 roll every round for the duration is always an 11. (Ultimate "take 10")

MULTIVERSAL KNOWLEDGE: Gain the envisaging ability as though the subject were an aeon.

UNMAKING TOUCH: Gain the ability to inflict warpwaves like a protean for the duration.

Bestiary:
Aeon, Agnoia (CR 14): They try to preserve the balance between disseminated knowledge and ignorance.

Inevitable, Rokyamut (CR 19): Defenders of mathematics and geometry, attacking those who bend and warp reality out of its proper form.

Protean, Akizendri (CR 3): They take knowledge in books and either alter it, remove it from existence, or place it randomly in other texts.

Protean, Illureshi (CR 9): Chaotic sorcerers who travel the cosmos promoting the chaotic power of sorcerers magic and whimsy.

Protean, Ibshaunet (CR 11): Rare destroyers of...well...just about everything. They use an acid aura and warpwaves to corrode reality.

Psychopomp, morbai (CR 6): Healers and poisoners who help stop mass epidemics and yet create new diseases so that when the old ones fade out, there is still a steady flow of souls. Think of them a regulators of the stream of dead by disease.

Psychopomp, fulgati (CR 18): Reapers of cultures. The psychopomps who manage necessary genocides. O.O

Hope that helps! :)


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The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Can anyone share with us anything about the Primal Inevitables? They are the deities I know close to nothing and would like to known their names and their areas of interest.

And, in the end, how many deities got illustrated?

Primal Inevitables:
Jerishall; The Turning Sphere (the planes, planetary orbits, and separation)

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Kerkamoth; The Waiting Void (emptiness, entropy, and stillness)

Otolmens; The Universal (machinery, math, and physics)

Valmallos; The Answering Rite (ceremonies, magic, and preparation)

Counting the cover picture of Saloc, the Minder of Immortals, a total of nine have paintings, two sketches of earlier beings...

...oh and a couple of pictures of Pharasma!


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Feros wrote:
Patrick C. wrote:
Feros wrote:
I've got it, and what this reveals about Pharasma's place in the cosmos...wow.

Anything you wanna share? :) Do we have spoiler tags on this forum? You could use those if we have. :D

...

Still, I gotta wait for the PDF before knowing one way or the other... Unless some kind soul decides to share wink wink

Well...

** spoiler omitted **

That is a paraphrased, of course. There is a LOT more detail and implications. So many things are revealed here, most only ever so slightly. It is amazing. :)

Thank you, kind sir! :D :D :D It's certainly very interesting.

Spoiler:
I'm not a fan of how it makes Lovecraftians starsquid such powerhouses, but I like the idea of the survivor of a previous multiverse!

What if Pharasma is the Lady of Pain, and the Great Beyond is the remains of the Great Wheel? :P So many possibilities

Again, many thanks! :)


Which domains does the Monad grant?


Thank you Feros! One more thing regarding your spoiler:

Spoiler:
Do the fulgati psychopomp look anything like typical grim reapers? Also do they have any interactions with say, daemons?


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HTD wrote:
Which domains does the Monad grant?

Monad, the Condition of All—Domains:
Artifice, Darkness, Knowledge, Void*

Feros wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Can anyone share with us anything about the Primal Inevitables? They are the deities I know close to nothing and would like to known their names and their areas of interest.

And, in the end, how many deities got illustrated?

** spoiler omitted **

Counting the cover picture of Saloc, the Minder of Immortals, a total of nine have paintings, two sketches of earlier beings...

...oh and a couple of pictures of Pharasma!

Thanks for sharing Feros.

Nine out of 24... Well, that's less than I expected. But I'm sure the lore and additional rules are great.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Thank you Feros! One more thing regarding your spoiler:

** spoiler omitted **

Fulgati:
They stand eighty feet tall and weigh between one hundred and fifty and one hundred and seventy five tons. They are female in form with 8 arms, four of which work as their legs. They wear masks resembling rams and bulls.

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They have no connection to daemons or any other beings, being not too bright and are effectively massive engines of destruction. They exist solely to wipe out civilizations Pharasma deems necessary to wipe out. Whether she has ever deemed it necessary is an entirely different question...


Feros wrote:
HTD wrote:
Which domains does the Monad grant?
** spoiler omitted **

Well, gotta say I didn't expect to see the Monad as a demigod (as opposed to a full god).

I have another question: is there a list of protean lords and their titles?


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HTD wrote:
Feros wrote:
HTD wrote:
Which domains does the Monad grant?
** spoiler omitted **

Well, gotta say I didn't expect to see the Monad as a demigod (as opposed to a full god).

I have another question: is there a list of protean lords and their titles?

The Monad is a being that doesn't give any thought to worship at all. Based on what I read, I suppose that even though they are an extremely powerful force of reality, their religion isn't as powerful as the full gods. They don't even have any temples!

Protean Lords:
Il’surrish; The Wanderer (formlessness, loss of control, and potential)

Narriseminek; The Crownless, the Maker of Kings (ascendance, keketars, and revelations)

Ssila’meshnik; The Colorless Lord (fate, freedom, and paradox)

Ydajisk; The Mother of Tongues (language evolution, lost words, and slang)


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So... You've given us lists of the Primal Inevitables, Monad, & Protean Lords.

Could you also do one for the Psychopomp Ushers?

Please & thank you.

Carry on!

--C.

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