Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Concordance of Rivals

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Monitors—neutral outsiders dedicated to maintaining their views of the universe—reject the battles between the wicked and the righteous and instead war over the underpinnings of reality. Join the cosmic debate with the secrets and esoteric lore found within, including:

  • Details on 24 monitor demigods—such as primal inevitables; protean lords; psychopomp ushers; and the mysterious aeon known as Monad, the Condition of All—and the divine powers they bestow upon mortal worshippers!
  • Rules for the proctor prestige class, along with information about different monitor sects, mantras for summoning monitors, and esoteric occult rituals that harness the power of monitor divinities.
  • A bestiary of new monitors and their roles within the universe, including irresponsible illureshi protean sorcerers, morbai psychopomp masters of healing and poisons, and knowledge-erasing agnoia aeons!

Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Concordance of Rivals is intended for use with the Pathfinder campaign setting, but it can be easily adapted to any fantasy world.

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Solid, hook-rich slab of lore

5/5

First, fair warning: this is mostly a book of lore, with relatively little crunch. There's one feat, one prestige class, no magic items, and no spells. Remember -- this is the very last Campaign Setting book for Pathfinder's First Edition. It wouldn't really make sense for Paizo to publish a lot of spells and feats for a game system that's about to cease existing. But the lore will continue to be valid through 2nd edition, so most of what's in this book will still be good for years to come.

The quality is quite high. The lore is full of hooks that you can add to your campaign. The art is, as usual, lovely.

There are some minor issues. The Proctor class has a rather silly entrance requirement. Several of the monster entries have the weirdly common Paizo problem of "stat block plus art takes up all the page, so the monster only gets a single sentence describing what it actually is". (Guys, can you please fix this for 2nd edition?) And if you're going to have eight whole pages of lore written by the fallen angel, maybe put it in a slightly easier-to-read font?

But these are quibbles. Over all this is a solid, meaty slab of worldbuilding. It should leave any DM thinking "Oh gosh, I could use this in my campaign" at least half a dozen different times. And you can't ask for more than that.


Stuff I've always wanted

5/5

So I've always wanted to have all Good/Neutral/Evil axis demigods fleshed outs and I've finally gotten that. Sure there are still some left that are still only mentioned only in bestiaries, but with this books, Primal Inevitables, Protean Lords, Psychopomp Ushers and the Monad finally have backstory info and other stuff :D

There are no class or feat options besides monitor obedience and proctor class in this nor is there items(artifact for Concordance of Rivals being absent is kinda weird, but it makes me hopeful it might appear in future AP or something), but that just means more room for flavor :D

I'm actually kinda surprised, but Primal Inevitables are now my favourite type of monitor lords. Machine gods have always been appealing to me, but reason I got into them was how as demigods of absolute law and order their areas of concerns are really mundane and structured. Like for example, one of missing ones was demigod of calendars.

My current ranking of monitor demigods is primal inevitabls > monad = psychopomp ushers > protean lords. Issue I have with proteans in general that as random shapeshifitng chaos beasts, they are ALL snakes with two legs, though third of the new introduced bestiary proteans finally strikes my fancy as while they still have serpentine shape, they are way more chaotic and weird looking than majority of other proteans.

In general, all of new bestiary monsters are great, flavorful and weird :D Only two of the proteans, while cool that they fill lower cr roles, seem kinda standard to me, rest of them are wonderfully weird to me.

I think thats good way to summarize this book, its wonderfully weird. All of monitor demigods are some of the most interesting neutral aligned deities in the whole game.

(plus Pharasma backstory is cool. Plus I'm now formulating conspiracy theory of there being two or three different Asmodeus and the one in hell just stole other ones' name as he is prince of lies)


Glad we got this before the edition change...

5/5

It's a format Paizo has some experience with by now- the three volumes of the Book of the Damned, then the hardcover, the Chronicle of the Righteous- all the fingerprints of those books are on this one- but it's a more refined product than those earlier ones, benefiting from both greater experience- and more oddball subject matter.

The "monitors" (Monitor is to neutral outsider as Celestial is to good and Fiend is to evil) get codified a bit, and there, of course, some new faces, but the real meat of this sucker is in the various neutral-aligned Monitor demigod writeups.

Full disclosure: I'm a sucker for Psychopomps, so I found their Ushers the most engaging, but just about every category has something cool to run with.

It was also nice to see a bunch of demigods NOT saddled with Alignment domains for Clerics...


Lust for Gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

4/5

Zapp: I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.

I have been waiting for this book be published for years now, and it finally arrived on my door step.

The largest part of the book is dedicated to exploring the various demigods that by and by cause reality in the pathfinder world to function (ensuring that gravity works and that atoms spin) and so far I have enjoyed this section. Much love was poured into making each of these leaders among psychopomps, proteans, inevitables, and aeons.

I found the bestiary very enjoyable and was quite happy to see my beloved harbingers of chaos getting some much needed love and attention by overtaking around half the bestiary all to themselves.

My only major gripes rest with the player options section of the book. The proctor prestige class stat-wise seems to be fairly balanced in power to the prestige classes found in the Book of Damned and the Chronicles of the Righteous, I found the class requirement of having to willingly turn down the aid of a celestial or fiend to be circumstantial at best. It seems rather detrimental to deliberately summon a CR10 good or evil outsider just to deliberately refuse it's aid to fulfill a class requirement, as immortals of any alignment can hold grudges lasting far longer than any mortal lifetime.

My other gripe with this section was that it did not contain any magical items that were themed for those with a heart the color of freshly poured cement. Particularly the absence of the in-game stats for the Concordance of Rivals artifact. The sister volumes of the works of Tabris have stats in their own books and I thought it a shame that this, one of the final published works for 1E was missing such an iconic detail. I'm sure I could create my own version to reflect the artifacts of the prior books with the power to smite those with extremism in their hearts and spells that reflect a soul tinted by the color of slate, but I still find this absence of the key detail to be a disappointment.

All in all, I find the book an enjoyable. There is honestly enough fluff and potential plot hooks in this book to keep me and my players busy as we prepare to continue the epic struggle between good and neutral.


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Thurston Hillman wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
God, I hope not, Druma is not a subject I would like to see the last 1e campaign setting book to be about:(
Right. Through. My. Heart.

Don't worry, I'm sure majority of us disagrees with them :D

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Personally i too find Druma to be the least exciting option of all remaining realms, but i think Thurston will make it an interesting read non the less. ;-)


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Considering we still haven't gotten 1e campaign setting books for Kyonin, The Five Kings mountains, Arcadia, azlant, casmaron, garund, sarusan, various planets, etc. Druma would hardly be my next choice.


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shaventalz wrote:
So you're telling me that an axiomatic one of these would technically be a "monitor monitor lizard"?

More importantly, if such a creature and I are watching each other through desktop cameras at our home PCs, does that make it a "monitored monitoring monitor monitor lizard on a monitor"?

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Dragon78 wrote:
Considering we still haven't gotten 1e campaign setting books for Kyonin, The Five Kings mountains, Arcadia, azlant, casmaron, garund, sarusan, various planets, etc. Druma would hardly be my next choice.

Galt, as well as Geb, Nex, Thuvia, and well, any part of Garund not named Osirion.

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Dragon78 wrote:
Considering we still haven't gotten 1e campaign setting books for Kyonin, The Five Kings mountains, Arcadia, azlant, casmaron, garund, sarusan, various planets, etc. Druma would hardly be my next choice.

Why would we get books for various planets in Pathfinder? <_< Golarion is main setting of Pathfinder, having multiple planets having their own book sounds more like Starfinder deal.

Sarusan also sounds like place we will never get book for considering whole point of continent seems to be "Oooh mysterious thing for gm to do whatever they want" just like Aroden.

I do give you cookie for Janderhoff(even though you said Five Kings Mountain) since I think all Varisian city states should have their own campaign setting book :p

But yeah, in my point of view, it would make perfect sense to have book for all currently released countries in Inner sea and then move onto other continents

Either way, since it IS impossible for every area having book for before 1e is over, I don't really mind the "important"(very much in quotations because I don't think Kyonin or Five Kings Mountain count important by paizo since they seem to focus on humans and not really ever on elves and dwarves) getting their campaign setting book in 2e, means they can take APs in account when they write those two

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I don't believe Paizo will re-set the Campaign Setting line come PF2, so there are chances for PF2 books describing Arcadia, Casmaron or Azlant would come sooner than later, since there wouldn't be a need to start over with Cheliax/Andoran/Varisia.

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Gorbacz wrote:

I don't believe Paizo will re-set the Campaign Setting line come PF2, so there are chances for PF2 books describing Arcadia, Casmaron or Azlant would come sooner than later, since there wouldn't be a need to start over with Cheliax/Andoran/Varisia.

Ye, they stated they don't plan on releasing new version of old books, and it is true they never released second Korvosa or Absalom book.

Which is why I don't mind it if they release "important" books in 2e because 1e books still follow 1e format of ignoring adventures for most part so not to spoil them <_<


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Yeah, but I am not buying any 2 ed books unless they have some that are completely rules neutral(no game rules at all) but that isn't going to happen. So as far as I am concerned Pathfinder is ending with 1e.


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Marco Massoudi wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Well that is a depressing thought:(

It is.

Supposedly june's campaign setting book will be about "Druma"...

Oh man, that's great! I've found the Kalistrocracy really handy for character backstories.

Concordance of Rivals will also be really nice to give the neutral outsiders some more attention. Having some content for folks with connections to Proteans will be interesting.

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Dragon78 wrote:
Yeah, but I am not buying any 2 ed books unless they have some that are completely rules neutral(no game rules at all) but that isn't going to happen. So as far as I am concerned Pathfinder is ending with 1e.

Umm, but majority of campaign setting books ARE flavor only. Heck 3.5 campaign setting books are like 90% flavor


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I would assume that they can cover a lot of the older material with quick summaries of how the regions changed as a result of successful adventures set in various places and the general passage of time. They would not need a lot of detail unless somebody built a completely new city or did something else on an equally massive scale.


I'm still hoping for a decent book on dwarves.

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Nations from the Inner Sea World Guide which havn't had a Campaign Setting book or Players Guide dedicated to them:

AVISTAN: (10)

-Brevoy
-Five Kings Mountains
-Galt
-Isger
-Kyonin
-Lastwall
-Mammoth Lords Realm
-Mendev
-Razmiran
-Steaming Sea

GARUND: (8)

-Geb
-Jalmeray
-Mana Wastes
-Mediogalti Island
-Nex
-Rahadoum
-Sodden Lands
-Thuvia

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Confused you are including a sea in that list, but not Hermia ._.

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Confused you are including a sea in that list, but not Hermia ._.

Hermea is within the Steaming Sea.


I gave up on seeing anything for Hermea ages ago. But a lot of those places sound interesting to me. Especially Kyonin, Five Kings Mountains, Realm of the Mammoth Lords, Jalmeray, Nex, and the Sodden Lands.


I just hope this book will be larger than usual. It's the last PF1E campaign setting book after all... Isn't it?

It would be cool if we could get at least an illustration for every deity, if not two pages for each of them. I would even favor this over a bestiary section. =O

I'm really curious to see the primal inevitables, as well as the protean lords. I have always been trying to imagine how these ones would look. Is there a protean lord that looks like an human(oid)? Are the primal inevitables more akin to clockworks or to statutes? Things like that, and now I'm finally getting my answers.


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I just hope this book will be larger than usual. It's the last PF1E campaign setting book after all... Isn't it?

It's the penultimate one. A book on Druma will be the last.


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This is awesome. I'd given up hoping a while back that the neutral Outsiders would get the same treatment as the fiends and celestials, so I'm very pleasantly surprised to see this, filling what I'd viewed as a major gap in the cosmological lore. I can't wait to read about all the demigods and quasi-deities!


It is nice to see the neutral outsiders get some love...at the end of this edition...well better late then never.


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I just want to see more Psychopomp Ushers!! :D


I'm excited for some info about the mysterious Monad! I hope it's somethign else than a mere demigod like the other outsider big shots.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
I just want to see more Psychopomp Ushers!! :D

I'd like to see something about Pale Horse and Phlegyas :D


Patrick C. wrote:
I'm excited for some info about the mysterious Monad! I hope it's something else than a mere demigod like the other outsider big shots.

That's exactly what I was thinking about. That it could be a god-like entity, and not akin to a demigod or a quasi. But I'm sure it's going to be something like this, as so far it doesn't seems to be a creature, like the primal inevitables or the protean lords.

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The Gold Sovereign wrote:
Patrick C. wrote:
I'm excited for some info about the mysterious Monad! I hope it's something else than a mere demigod like the other outsider big shots.
That's exactly what I was thinking about. That it could be a god-like entity, and not akin to a demigod or a quasi. But I'm sure it's going to be something like this, as so far it doesn't seems to be a creature, like the primal inevitables or the protean lords.

Well, it would definitely be a downgrade from Supreme Being to merely demigod if that was the case.


CorvusMask wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:
Patrick C. wrote:
I'm excited for some info about the mysterious Monad! I hope it's something else than a mere demigod like the other outsider big shots.
That's exactly what I was thinking about. That it could be a god-like entity, and not akin to a demigod or a quasi. But I'm sure it's going to be something like this, as so far it doesn't seems to be a creature, like the primal inevitables or the protean lords.
Well, it would definitely be a downgrade from Supreme Being to merely demigod if that was the case.

I don't really expect a "Supreme Being", given that we've already been told by the Creative Director that the Pathfinder Campaign Setting shouldn't have an "overgod" or similar figure. But yet another demigod wouldn't do it justice, IMHO. The Monad should be something more of a cosmic force, or at least a full, if minor, deity.

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Patrick C. wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:
Patrick C. wrote:
I'm excited for some info about the mysterious Monad! I hope it's something else than a mere demigod like the other outsider big shots.
That's exactly what I was thinking about. That it could be a god-like entity, and not akin to a demigod or a quasi. But I'm sure it's going to be something like this, as so far it doesn't seems to be a creature, like the primal inevitables or the protean lords.
Well, it would definitely be a downgrade from Supreme Being to merely demigod if that was the case.
I don't really expect a "Supreme Being", given that we've already been told by the Creative Director that the Pathfinder Campaign Setting shouldn't have an "overgod" or similar figure. But yet another demigod wouldn't do it justice, IMHO. The Monad should be something more of a cosmic force, or at least a full, if minor, deity.

I have no insight onto how the Monad will or will not be handled in this particular book, but I think a reasonable comparison could be made to how Planar Adventures finally handled the proteans' Speakers of the Depths as a full deity, but with the flavor text giving a solid amount of ambiguity to their actual nature.

Functionally they can be used as a deity with the domains provided in Planar Adventures, but it's up for debate if they as a dualistic godhead are simply a manifestation of the Maelstrom as an intelligence unto itself. The ambiguity and flexibility of the flavor text there allows GMs to run with their own answers there without even having to deviate any from the published content. :D


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Patrick C. wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:
Patrick C. wrote:
I'm excited for some info about the mysterious Monad! I hope it's something else than a mere demigod like the other outsider big shots.
That's exactly what I was thinking about. That it could be a god-like entity, and not akin to a demigod or a quasi. But I'm sure it's going to be something like this, as so far it doesn't seems to be a creature, like the primal inevitables or the protean lords.
Well, it would definitely be a downgrade from Supreme Being to merely demigod if that was the case.
I don't really expect a "Supreme Being", given that we've already been told by the Creative Director that the Pathfinder Campaign Setting shouldn't have an "overgod" or similar figure. But yet another demigod wouldn't do it justice, IMHO. The Monad should be something more of a cosmic force, or at least a full, if minor, deity.

I have no insight onto how the Monad will or will not be handled in this particular book, but I think a reasonable comparison could be made to how Planar Adventures finally handled the proteans' Speakers of the Depths as a full deity, but with the flavor text giving a solid amount of ambiguity to their actual nature.

Functionally they can be used as a deity with the domains provided in Planar Adventures, but it's up for debate if they as a dualistic godhead are simply a manifestation of the Maelstrom as an intelligence unto itself. The ambiguity and flexibility of the flavor text there allows GMs to run with their own answers there without even having to deviate any from the published content. :D

I'm yet to read how Planar Adventures handled the Speakers (got the PDF only this morning!), but some ambuiguity and wiggle room for the GM is always welcomed! Not full vagueness (That we already have), not minucious detail either.

But, if we are to have a "settled" answer, may that answer be, at the very least, something more unique than another demigod. The Aeons deserve that. There have been lots of tantalizing hints about the Monad in various Bestiaries and in the Occul Adventures, IIRC. It will be quite underwhelming if it turns out to be just a slightly-more-powerful Aeon.


Just notice that there's no allusion to a bestiary chapter in this one. Are we trading the bestiary for more pages covering the deities? That would be a good deal if we got illustration for all of them.

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Do notice that both summary and image are still placeholders, there is probably gonna be bestiary in final book though no clue if it will contain any of the demigods unfortunately :( I mean chronicle of righteous didn't and neither did any of the books of the damned

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These books do not contain stat blocks for demigods—that's not the goal of the series.


Indeed, I wasn't expecting stat blocks for the divine. I would rather have no bestiary in favor of even more flavor and illustrations for the demigod monitors.

But I'm sure we are getting at least one new member of each subtype, and I'm actually hoping to see new cool inevitables and proteans.


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I think this will be a great product. It seems good stuff is coming out as 1st edition is coming to an end.


Finally, a book where we can get new Aeons! I hope, that is.


The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Indeed, I wasn't expecting stat blocks for the divine. I would rather have no bestiary in favor of even more flavor and illustrations for the demigod monitors.

But I'm sure we are getting at least one new member of each subtype, and I'm actually hoping to see new cool inevitables and proteans.

New Inevitables and Aeons would be great right before PF1 ends. About damn time.

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Barachiel Shina wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Indeed, I wasn't expecting stat blocks for the divine. I would rather have no bestiary in favor of even more flavor and illustrations for the demigod monitors.

But I'm sure we are getting at least one new member of each subtype, and I'm actually hoping to see new cool inevitables and proteans.

New Inevitables and Aeons would be great right before PF1 ends. About damn time.

You'll be delighted to know that in PF2, aeons will become much prominent and will replace Inevitables as the main True Neutral outsider race.

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Gorbacz wrote:
Barachiel Shina wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Indeed, I wasn't expecting stat blocks for the divine. I would rather have no bestiary in favor of even more flavor and illustrations for the demigod monitors.

But I'm sure we are getting at least one new member of each subtype, and I'm actually hoping to see new cool inevitables and proteans.

New Inevitables and Aeons would be great right before PF1 ends. About damn time.
You'll be delighted to know that in PF2, aeons will become much prominent and will replace Inevitables as the main True Neutral outsider race.

I hope not, I like psychopomps.

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Aren't inevitables LN and not N

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My bad! Aeons will be replacing Inevitables, but fear not, Psychopomps are here to stay. This message was brought to you by the "Paizo is moving away from WotC OGL property" movement.

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Gorbacz wrote:
My bad! Aeons will be replacing Inevitables, but fear not, Psychopomps are here to stay. This message was brought to you by the "Paizo is moving away from WotC OGL property" movement.

Aeons are TN though, they couldn't replace an LN race. Though giving axiomites more play would certainly move away from WotC IP. I have no insight into any such hypotheticals however.


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My only decree, is I want more Psychopomps in my afterlife. :p


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You'll be delighted to know that in PF2, aeons will become much prominent and will replace Inevitables as the main True Neutral outsider race.

Not interested in PF2.....so not really interested in what direction they are going.


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For some reason, I missed this announcement last autumn. So please allow me to express my feelings about this book: YES!

The term "monitor" ... is suitable. I'll have to let it turn around a few times in my mind before it can settle, but I think that it was a serendipitous choice.


Glad to see this coming in just under the wire.

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So if Inevitables get phased out in 2e, ironically that might mean Primals have higher chance of being more important there since 1) They aren't D&D IP directly 2) they have been super obscure and never detailed in 1e before ._.

Either way, weird if this is last time Inevitable are in major role in a product. Whatever is the case, nice we get to learn about their demigods if this is their finale

Though IF Aeons become LN in 2e, that is just weird to me because while Neutral isn't the "balance" alignment, in my view Aeons can't be Chaotic or Lawful because they are obsessed with things like "If there is too much order, create chaos, if there is too much chaos, create order, if there is too much evil, create good, etc". so in other words they can't fit to any of other alignments making them neutral by default.

(also yeah it is weird if inevitables introduced in War for the Crown bestiaries never show up again)


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Gorbacz wrote:
You'll be delighted to know that in PF2, aeons will become much prominent and will replace Inevitables as the main True Neutral outsider race.
Not interested in PF2.....so not really interested in what direction they are going.

I agree


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The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Indeed, I wasn't expecting stat blocks for the divine. I would rather have no bestiary in favor of even more flavor and illustrations for the demigod monitors.

But I'm sure we are getting at least one new member of each subtype, and I'm actually hoping to see new cool inevitables and proteans.

New Inevitables and Aeons would be great right before PF1 ends. About damn time.
You'll be delighted to know that in PF2, aeons will become much prominent and will replace Inevitables as the main True Neutral outsider race.

I'm not sure if Inevitables have ever been the main TN outsiders, as they are obviously LN. I suppose we should read it as Aeons getting more attention than the construct outsiders.


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Aeons becoming LN, Inevitables no longer main LN outsider group, so many reasons not to get 2E it's not funny.


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Aeons becoming LN, Inevitables no longer main LN outsider group, so many reasons not to get 2E it's not funny.

Don't think they are turning LN, just getting more attention.

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