Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Planar Adventures

Dragonborn3 wrote:

Hmm... we have Lantern Archons, so why not Lighthouse Archons? :)

Ha.

You'll see why I said that.

I really like Archons and Angels and...oh who am I kidding?! I like 'me all. I guess we 'true believers' will need to stay tuned. Will the CR20 Archon be in this book?! Stay tuned, same Paizo forum, same Paizo thread!

A CR20 Archon...interesting.

The Gorgas sound interesting but wouldn't they fit better in a book related to the River Kingdom/ Sevenarches, magical mishaps type stuff, or bestiary.

If there are bestiary entries, this is as good a place as any for it. At the very least, a good spot to remind Paizo that we need more info on these critters!

It would be an interesting thing to add to the bestiary 7 wish list.

I'd like to see some more proteans, in general, either in this book or another. Sucks that there's only 4 total.

I'd like to see some more proteans, in general, either in this book or another. Sucks that there's only 4 total.

Bestiary 6 added 6 (one’s a reprint from Hell’s Rebels I know).

Aeons and Inevitables. All I care about. Gimme more. Thanks. :D

So no thanks for the Aquaman Archons?

Monkeygod wrote:

I'd like to see some more proteans, in general, either in this book or another. Sucks that there's only 4 total.

Bestiary 6 added 6 (one’s a reprint from Hell’s Rebels I know).

Matter of fact, between Bestiary 2, Bestiary 6, Hell's Rebels and one episode of Giantslayer, I count a total of 10 proteans. Not sure if there isn't any more hiding in modules or setting books.

Well, that's odd, there's only 4 listed on d20pfsrd, and 6 isn't on Paizo's srd yet.

Well, that's odd, there's only 4 listed on d20pfsrd, and 6 isn't on Paizo's srd yet.

Which means both are incomplete, nothing new. Archives of Nethys is close with 8 proteans, but it's still missing the 2 new ones from Bestiary 6.

Well regardless of what monsters we get, I hope that each plane/dimension gets something though it doesn't have to be an outsider;)

you mean like telepathic fish people?

The gorgas is something so obscure that not even the Creative Director had it/him/her/them on his radar. They are not in this book as a result, but I'll look into them and see about getting them handled somewhere else if possible.

Then hopefully you will remember the Arcanatons. A whole group of neutral outsiders made of pure arcane energy. See Guardians of Dragonfall for what little info there is to be found.

James Jacobs wrote:

The gorgas is something so obscure that not even the Creative Director had it/him/her/them on his radar. They are not in this book as a result, but I'll look into them and see about getting them handled somewhere else if possible.

Then hopefully you will remember the Arcanatons. A whole group of neutral outsiders made of pure arcane energy. See Guardians of Dragonfall for what little info there is to be found.

Guardians of Dragonfall was a module from a short-lived experimental era where we tinkered with doing adventures that weren't necessarily part of Golarion. AKA: We won't be carrying forward elements from that adventure. Arcanatons included.

The Gorgas sound interesting but wouldn't they fit better in a book related to the River Kingdom/ Sevenarches, magical mishaps type stuff, or bestiary.

First World perhaps? (IMC I have linked the First World breaches of Sevenarches - and other River Kingdom... and Galt... although those are probably not canon - to the interference of these elf gates. They each aggravate each other in a feedback loop.)

Something I've been wondering is why are their both harbinger archons and lantern archons. They really seem to hit the same basic beats.

Something I've been wondering is why are their both harbinger archons and lantern archons. They really seem to hit the same basic beats.

Lantern archon is several respects way too strong to fall in line with other Improved Familiar choices. Hence, the harbinger.

Darn, those Arcanatons sounded interesting.

Brinebeast wrote:

James Jacobs wrote:

The gorgas is something so obscure that not even the Creative Director had it/him/her/them on his radar. They are not in this book as a result, but I'll look into them and see about getting them handled somewhere else if possible.

Then hopefully you will remember the Arcanatons. A whole group of neutral outsiders made of pure arcane energy. See Guardians of Dragonfall for what little info there is to be found.

Guardians of Dragonfall was a module from a short-lived experimental era where we tinkered with doing adventures that weren't necessarily part of Golarion. AKA: We won't be carrying forward elements from that adventure. Arcanatons included.

To be fair, my hope was more that you all might take a look at the Arcanatons with fresh eyes. The basic idea of a neutral outsider group that expresses itself as living arcane magic is pretty awesome, plus the name Arcanaton is pretty hardcore. But as far as their goals, what powers they serve, and where they are from, all of that has yet to be detailed. And with so little written about Arcanatons if there is anything you all don't like and/or would change doing so would not hurt the established Golarion canon. I understand Guardians of Dragonfall was experimental and as an adventure it does not mesh well with the Golarion that has since been established. I just hope that Arcanatons are not a victim of that adventure for having first appeared there, and instead have been considered independently for their potential as an arcane focused outsider group.

That would be pretty neat. Most outsiders seem to be purely divine-empowered.

Yeah, we could use some arcane(and psychic) powered outsiders;)

That could be something we might see in bestiary 7. And it would be something I would not mind. Plus imagine what each could represent as maybe spell type or styles could each have its own key varient that it was fuelled by, mastered, and was countered by. Transmutation could be highly morphic in nature, while evocation based ones could be extremely aggressive and devastating. Plus the most dangerous and powerful ones could be imbuned with the powers of very strong spell effects.

I would like to see that one day. I might not get exactly what I imagine they could be like, but I think paizo could make them work.

I can't wait to find out what demiplanes made it in...or more importantly wich ones didn't make it in.

Will any of the monsters in the book be CR26-30?

I can't wait to find out what demiplanes made it in...or more importantly wich ones didn't make it in.

Will any of the monsters in the book be CR26-30?

Yes. There's a CR 30 monster. I think the next most powerful is CR 21 or 22

A completely new CR 30 monster?

Any hint/teaser of what it could be? :)

Dragon78 wrote:

I can't wait to find out what demiplanes made it in...or more importantly wich ones didn't make it in.

Will any of the monsters in the book be CR26-30?

Yes. There's a CR 30 monster. I think the next most powerful is CR 21 or 22

Tabris?

*wide kitty eyes*

Tabris would be cool but I would be very surprised if this CR30 monster is not from one of the evil planes;)

Is this the GENCON release?

CR 30 monster hints:

1) It's not Tabris.

2) It's not from one of the evil planes.

3) It's something we've mentioned before but never statted up.

4) It's from mythology.

Is it a true Titan from Greek mythology?

It's not from an evil plane and it is from mythology, now I am really interested:)

So it is something that has been mentioned before but never stated up. There is a lot of material to look through for this one.

Is it safe to assume it is an outsider?

Not every monster on the planes is an outsider, and thus not every monster in Planar Adventures' bestiary chapter is an outsider.

Is too early to have a liiiiiittle spoiler about the lawful and neutral planetouched races?

Is too early to have a liiiiiittle spoiler about the lawful and neutral planetouched races?

Other than to remind folks that "planetouched" is not a word we use in Pathfinder? :-P

Still way too early for that level of preview... perhaps in the weeks leading up to the book's release though?

Not every monster on the planes is an outsider, and thus not every monster in Planar Adventures' bestiary chapter is an outsider.

Anything on Formians, or 'wasp-formians,' or have those already been detailed in previous books and I've missed them?

James Jacobs wrote:

Not every monster on the planes is an outsider, and thus not every monster in Planar Adventures' bestiary chapter is an outsider.

Anything on Formians, or 'wasp-formians,' or have those already been detailed in previous books and I've missed them?

The 3.5-era planar formian interplanar outsiders got turned into Pathfinder-era interplanetary monstrous humanoids. I wouldn't expect them to be anything other than a mild nod for legacy continuity's sake, if not a complete retcon/abandonment.

Set wrote:

James Jacobs wrote:

Not every monster on the planes is an outsider, and thus not every monster in Planar Adventures' bestiary chapter is an outsider.

Anything on Formians, or 'wasp-formians,' or have those already been detailed in previous books and I've missed them?

The 3.5-era planar formian interplanar outsiders got turned into Pathfinder-era interplanetary monstrous humanoids. I wouldn't expect them to be anything other than a mild nod for legacy continuity's sake, if not a complete retcon/abandonment.

Yeah, that's why James' comment about not everything in the planes being an outsider reminded me of them.

The Formians are a fine pre-existing example of planar residents that aren't outsiders (in Pathfinder).

We've officially made formians into aliens, not outsiders, and they don't really have much of a role to play at all in Planer Adventures. This is something we've pretty much completely abandoned, in that we wanted to return to the formian roots of them being aliens, and leave them as outsiders to D&D. See Bestiary 4 for their stats.

We've officially made formians into aliens, not outsiders, and they don't really have much of a role to play at all in Planer Adventures. This is something we've pretty much completely abandoned, in that we wanted to return to the formian roots of them being aliens, and leave them as outsiders to D&D. See Bestiary 4 for their stats.

Interesting... I somehow must've missed that this was the case!

As an aside, I'm quite looking forward to this book. *bounces calmly*

Also, thank you for signing my Core Rulebook at PaizoCon this past year.

CR 30 monster hints:

1) It's not Tabris.

2) It's not from one of the evil planes.

3) It's something we've mentioned before but never statted up.

4) It's from mythology.

That was a lot more hints than I expected. Thanks. :)

Hmm 3 & 4 should narrow it down...uh...umm...uh...

Was the CR30 monster mentioned in a Paizo product, on the site, or both?

Riccardo Olivieri wrote:

Is too early to have a liiiiiittle spoiler about the lawful and neutral planetouched races?

Other than to remind folks that "planetouched" is not a word we use in Pathfinder? :-P

Still way too early for that level of preview... perhaps in the weeks leading up to the book's release though?

Just saying, just because Paizo doesn't/can't doesn't mean we're not allowed to. I prefer "planetouched" to "geniekin" any day for the elemental native outsiders.

James Jacobs wrote:

Riccardo Olivieri wrote:

Is too early to have a liiiiiittle spoiler about the lawful and neutral planetouched races?

Other than to remind folks that "planetouched" is not a word we use in Pathfinder? :-P

Still way too early for that level of preview... perhaps in the weeks leading up to the book's release though?

Just saying, just because Paizo doesn't/can't doesn't mean we're not allowed to. I prefer "planetouched" to "geniekin" any day for the elemental native outsiders.

Understood; which is why I said "We don't use it" and not "You shouldn't use it."

Unless you're writing for us.

:-P

Dark Midian wrote:

James Jacobs wrote:

Riccardo Olivieri wrote:

Is too early to have a liiiiiittle spoiler about the lawful and neutral planetouched races?

Other than to remind folks that "planetouched" is not a word we use in Pathfinder? :-P

Still way too early for that level of preview... perhaps in the weeks leading up to the book's release though?

Just saying, just because Paizo doesn't/can't doesn't mean we're not allowed to. I prefer "planetouched" to "geniekin" any day for the elemental native outsiders.

Understood; which is why I said "We don't use it" and not "You shouldn't use it."

Unless you're writing for us.

:-P

Sadly, no. I'm not that much of a masochist. <3

*ahem* Anyway.

Understood; which is why I said "We don't use it" and not "You shouldn't use it."

Unless you're writing for us.

:-P

And I just feverishly opened up the last manuscript I submitted to Paizo and did a search for "planetouched".

*SHAME*

I used it once. Mea culpa.

James Jacobs wrote:

Understood; which is why I said "We don't use it" and not "You shouldn't use it."

Unless you're writing for us.

:-P

And I just feverishly opened up the last manuscript I submitted to Paizo and did a search for "planetouched".

*SHAME*

I used it twice. Mea culpa.

You're basically the multiverse's greatest monster.

Not that this really had anything to do with that, of course. ^_^

Is "planetouched" not used b/c it's WOTC IP? Or was there just a conscious effort from the early days of Paizo to find an alternate term (I guess I'm reading here now it's "geniekin")?

Also, on the subject of kineticists not getting much in this book (and I understand the reasoning as presented), I would submit that throwing a small bone to the community by canonizing the void element in an RPG HC would buy you more goodwill than you might think. And I say that as someone who has never even played a kineticist; just from reading the forums regularly over the years.

And just to be upfront about it, this isn't a backhanded slap on the whole UW eruptions. I'd have felt the same way (about community goodwill) even if I had never read any of the nearly 4k comments in that particular thread...

That said, I get that it's your playground and you can build whatever castles you want in the sand.

Is "planetouched" not used b/c it's WOTC IP? Or was there just a conscious effort from the early days of Paizo to find an alternate term (I guess I'm reading here now it's "geniekin")?

Also, on the subject of kineticists not getting much in this book (and I understand the reasoning as presented), I would submit that throwing a small bone to the community by canonizing the void element in an RPG HC would buy you more goodwill than you might think. And I say that as someone who has never even played a kineticist; just from reading the forums regularly over the years.

And just to be upfront about it, this isn't a backhanded slap on the whole UW eruptions. I'd have felt the same way (about community goodwill) even if I had never read any of the nearly 4k comments in that particular thread...

That said, I get that it's your playground and you can build whatever castles you want in the sand.

Geniekin technically applies to the five elemental races: Oreads, sylphs, ifrits, undines, and suli. While the last one technically can only come from human and jann parents, the other four can conceivably come from a mortal being "planetouched" or affected by elemental energy, although Golarion's lore significantly downplays that fact to the point of being irrelevant.

I don't believe there's a catch-all term for the aligned native outsiders, such as aasimar, tiefling, and ganzi.

I have always liked the term "planetouched", though I am surprised we haven't a Golarion/Pathfinder version of this term by now.

I would love to see the void element make it into a hardcover one day, but it has already been said that this one will not be that book.