Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Planar Adventures

Brinebeast wrote:

I hope we get a Campaign Setting book to accompany this that focuses on Demi-Planes associated with Golarion

Like this one?

While I am excited about that one, that is focused on cities within the planes being described. I want some Demiplane awesomeness as well!

So I'm guessing no dimensions that maybe Yog-Sothoth might decide to vacation at then? ;)

Who’s hoping for a planar Shifter archetype?

Who’s hoping for a planar Shifter archetype?

For that, we would also need a line of polymorph spells for taking the form of an outsider. I hope we do get that, as I think outsiders are now the only creature type that lacks such spells.

Xenocrat wrote:

Who’s hoping for a planar Shifter archetype?

For that, we would also need a line of polymorph spells for taking the form of an outsider. I hope we do get that, as I think outsiders are now the only creature type that lacks such spells.

Aberrations and Constructs.

Okay, I want those too!

Aberrations definitely.....

David knott 242 wrote:

Brinebeast wrote:

I hope we get a Campaign Setting book to accompany this that focuses on Demi-Planes associated with Golarion

Like this one?

While I am excited about that one, that is focused on cities within the planes being described. I want some Demiplane awesomeness as well!

I think The Great Beyond also covers a number of the demiplanes. Though I suspect that this book is largely going to be updates from The Great Beyond, as that's an older book from the 3.5 days and Paizo's been on a bit of a reprint kick with the last three mainline books.

I wonder if we'll get to see the Nirvana Dragon...

Yeah, but The Great Beyond, A Guide to the Multiverse was only 64 pages, so seeing as this is a 200+ page book, I think we can expect to see a good amount of new content, as well.

Anything on the Planar dragons would be very nice, seeing as currently we don't have much more than the stat block in terms of knowledge about them. I would be nice to know the basic philosophical differences between say, a Gold Dragon and Paradise Dragon for instance.

That is true. Thinking about other books that have details on the planes, I imagine there might be some things from Hell Unleashed, Heaven Unleashed, Wrath of the Righteous's article on the Abyss, and Shattered Star's article on Leng. Occult Realms also has some planar stuff, as well.

Should be interesting, at any rate.

Regardless of what gets tossed in, I'm hopeful for a bestiary from the Maelstrom and/or Axis.

I am also hoping for monsters from the maelstrom and axis... and also the positive energy plane, dimension of dreams, and dimension of time.

After Dreams of the Yellow King I absolutely want more things from the Dimension of Dreams.

If we a talking about monsters than I think this would be a good book to include the Gigas, even if just reprints from the three that already have stats. I can't deny I would love to see the good aligned Gigas as well, so we can use them as allies and foes.

Maybe we will get something about the Immortal Ambulatory... I myself am not looking for anything about dragons in this book.

I still hope dragons are going to get their own campaign setting book, so that they can get more flavorful.

From the department of expectation management as SPECIFICALLY regards gigases... they are not going to be a part of this book. Sorry. Their scope is simply too enormous to fit into the book, especially since they still haven't appeared in any hardcover product (again, because their scope makes them VERY difficult to fit into a Bestiary).

But other things from the Maelstrom and Axis might show up, Mister Jacobs?

But other things from the Maelstrom and Axis might show up, Mister Jacobs?

Yup.

I really want so stuff for the Realm of Dreams. Also, that it gives the psychic and other occult classes some love.

Well with about 30 pages or so of a bestiary I am sure every major plane and dimension will get at least one creature...hopefully.

I had no idea the Gigases would need so much material. Therefore what is the estimated page count needed to do them justice? Further what is the likelihood of that happening? Thanks. :)

I have a few questions:

Will Planar Adventures contain options for the Kineticist?

Will the book contain already published information? If so, what percentage of the book has already been published once?

I had no idea the Gigases would need so much material. Therefore what is the estimated page count needed to do them justice? Further what is the likelihood of that happening? Thanks. :)

The Abaddon, Abyss, and Hell gigas have appeared in various adventures over the years (Pathfinder #30, Pathfinder #96, and The Witchwar Legacy), and the Ecology of the Gigas article in #96 discusses the gigas types in the outer planes, the elemental planes, and a handful of others (don't have it handy just now). Since each gigas takes 2 pages to cover with a full stat block and description, I'd venture that comprehensive gigas coverage—doing them justice, so to speak—could take 24–30 pages.

As for the likelihood, I don't know. It seems more likely that Adventure Path bestiary articles will continue to present a particular type when that gigas variety is relevant (e.g. presenting a Maelstrom gigas for an adventure set on the Maelstrom).

I still would love to see the gigas make it into a hardcover bestiary... one day.

Looks like some people are asking questions I had in mind as well.

Thanks John. :)

To add on to what John said, it's basically impossible to do a gigas stat block on 1 page. They're big monsters, both in terms of powers and in terms of art. I tried HARD to get them into Bestiary 6 but they simply wouldn't fit, since at 2 pages each, doing a gigas for every plane they've been mentioned being on would take closer to 40 or even 50 pages. And simply reprinting the 3 we HAVE done isn't appetizing, but not printing those three (hell, abyss, abaddon) when we do "upgrade" them to Hardcover (if ever) would be a huge mistake as well, since due to the nature of the beast, those three are the load bearing ones.

And trust me, spending 50 pages on what is essentially the same monster niche in a Bestiary is a non-starter.

Furthermore, the game play niche of the gigas was in the early days intended to fill the CR gap between giants and titans. But that gap no longer exists. We've gone ahead and filled the CR 14 to CR 20 range with a LOT of regular giants.

Long story short, I wouldn't expect to EVER see us put gigases into a hardcover, and we are very unlikely to do much more with them in the very near future. I suppose I could see them leaking in one at a time in an Adventure Path bestiary now and then, but even then... meh.

Thanks.

Funny I never had much interest in them until now. I'd like to see more of them but I can live without them. There is a lot of other stuff higher on my interest list. :)

I have a few questions:

Will Planar Adventures contain options for the Kineticist?

Will the book contain already published information? If so, what percentage of the book has already been published once?

No Kineticist options.

It will contain some previously published content, but the majority of it (which is picked up from the old 3.5 Great Beyond softcover) is recontextualized and updated to match the setting as it exists today. It'll also reprint/update the basic rules for planes and planar traits first published in GameMastery Guide. There's a bunch more information about the core deities which has a little overlap with Inner Sea Gods, but the focus here is more on how the deities interact with each other, what their planar realms are like, and how they can intervene in the affairs of mortals. And a little bit of overlap on Hell, Abaddon, and the Abyss from Book of the Damned (but again, focusing more on the big picture there, rather than only on the fiends and their demigods).

All the archetypes are new.
Most of the spells and magic items and feats are new. (I haven't gotten to that section's development yet, but my guess at this point is that the percentage of reprint/updated stuff here is MABYE 5% or so.)

There's a lot of monsters, but only two reprints (the Vault Builders and Vault Keepers).

As of this time, of course. Subject to change! And all that.

And that probably uses up my spoiler points for the rest of the year... :-P

Why not just have 4-6 gigas in a hardcover bestiary when you introduce them?

Darn, no kineticist options:(

Could do a 64 page softcover with the gigas rather than trying to force them into a hardback.

I’m pretty disappointed we’re not getting more kineticist options, since outside the Summoner they are the most connected to planar shenanigans.
I’m still looking forward to the book for other reasons.

Could do a 64 page softcover with the gigas rather than trying to force them into a hardback.

Could, but I doubt that we will. I really don't see us doing much more with gigases ever, to be honest. There are more interesting things to spend our time on. We'll see, tough, I guess.

(Part of the problem is that there's a LOT more interesting stuff I'm interested in doing rather than to stop and do a gigas book, which is really really REALLY niche and narrow in scope.)

Man, the one book that would make sense to have the Void kineticist reprinted in.

I'm incredibly excited for the Vault Builders and Keepers being included!

I absolutely loved the additional info on them from Ironfang Invasion.

Thanks!

CorvusMask wrote:

One of three is probably Ganzi(for Maelstrom) I guess? But what are other 2, are they completely new?

The other 2 are indeed completely new. Now's not QUITE the time to say more, but I'm eager to reveal that information later on.

I'm hoping for a rewrite/reconsideration of the Ganzi, for reasons touched on here.

I agree, the stat penalty for the ganzi should have been wisdom not intelligence.

It would have been a fitting place for the void element. But I am not surprised it is not going to be in it, since this book is more a campaign/setting information kind of book.

While I see why doing a book on Gigas would not be good and also filling a beastiary with 50+ pages of Gigas is also not good would it hurt to include 2 per bestiary in the future like you do with other creature types I like creatures like Gigas and want to see more of them. This book on the planes was a great opportunity to slip a new one in. I always thought that was what made you guys at Paizo different from certain other companies that you were gamers and understood us. You give us Daemons, and other cool creatures why not Gigas.

I also understand that Paizo and Pathfinder in general have serious problems right now with no easy solutions. The game has reached a point where all the obvious topics have been done and the remaining topics are more and more niche which is why I suppose you are finally getting around to doing a hardcover on the planes. A topic I have wanted for a long time but not everyone would agree with me I suppose. So you have to decide weather to forge on doing books with less and less interest generated or do you start over with pathfinder 2 and risk losing even more especially with 5th edition looming out their as a slicker simpler solution to many. Hopefully Starfinder is the solution I hear it is doing quite well. I just think you all need to listen to us that still stick with you and produce the books we want.

A hardcover for the planes has been asked for from pretty much day one. It’s not really a niche item.

Thank you for answering my question!

BMovieMonster wrote:

I have a few questions:

Will Planar Adventures contain options for the Kineticist?

Will the book contain already published information? If so, what percentage of the book has already been published once?

No Kineticist options.

It will contain some previously published content, but the majority of it (which is picked up from the old 3.5 Great Beyond softcover) is recontextualized and updated to match the setting as it exists today. It'll also reprint/update the basic rules for planes and planar traits first published in GameMastery Guide. There's a bunch more information about the core deities which has a little overlap with Inner Sea Gods, but the focus here is more on how the deities interact with each other, what their planar realms are like, and how they can intervene in the affairs of mortals. And a little bit of overlap on Hell, Abaddon, and the Abyss from Book of the Damned (but again, focusing more on the big picture there, rather than only on the fiends and their demigods).

All the archetypes are new.

Most of the spells and magic items and feats are new. (I haven't gotten to that section's development yet, but my guess at this point is that the percentage of reprint/updated stuff here is MABYE 5% or so.)

There's a lot of monsters, but only two reprints (the Vault Builders and Vault Keepers).

As of this time, of course. Subject to change! And all that.

And that probably uses up my spoiler points for the rest of the year... :-P

I know I have been asking for a hardcover book of the planes for a long time;)

As have I!

I hope it speaks something about Concordance of Rivals by Tabris. Anyone interested in that?

Well, it seems there's no reason to have interest in the gigases from now on. I'm sure we can live without them, as we indeed have lost of other high CR giants... And I'm surely far more interested in a book about other more iconic creatures that I would love to see getting a Campaign Setting book (like dragons or hags or the inevitables).

Regarding this book, is it possible to share if the "half page maps" are going to be reprints from the old Great Beyond book or new ones?

Regarding this book, is it possible to share if the "half page maps" are going to be reprints from the old Great Beyond book or new ones?

The maps are going to all be new, and more pictorial/representational/artistic than a classic "Top-down" map with a scale bar and a compass rose. The map of the Abyss we did for the Wrath of the Righteous map folio is more like what we're going for.

The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Regarding this book, is it possible to share if the "half page maps" are going to be reprints from the old Great Beyond book or new ones?

The maps are going to all be new, and more pictorial/representational/artistic than a classic "Top-down" map with a scale bar and a compass rose. The map of the Abyss we did for the Wrath of the Righteous map folio is more like what we're going for.

Oooo I love that map.

The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Regarding this book, is it possible to share if the "half page maps" are going to be reprints from the old Great Beyond book or new ones?

The maps are going to all be new, and more pictorial/representational/artistic than a classic "Top-down" map with a scale bar and a compass rose. The map of the Abyss we did for the Wrath of the Righteous map folio is more like what we're going for.

That sounds really awesome :D

Never saw that map so I have no idea what to expect.

It's part of the Wrath Of The Righteous poster maps.

In my opinion, it's one of the better sets.

Manual of the Planes was always one of my favorite books. Looking forward to this one immensely!

No Kineticist options.

Well that's unusual. No options for the class literally powered by planes of existence in a book about the planes...