Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Planar Adventures

kevin_video wrote:

That'd be neat. One of the creations from back in the day that we never saw ever again was a demon/devil hybrid that had ridiculous saves and resistances.

Ah, the Cathezar. Half marilith, half chain devil. One of my favorites from way back when. ^_^

(It wouldn't surprise me if you were thinking of something else, of course.)

Wow. That... is something...Is she single?

Yes, but you're not her type.

Val'bryn2 wrote:

Is anyone else a little disappointed to hear about the write-ups for the core deities? I mean, that was the whole point of Inner Sea Gods, are we at least getting new information about them, or is it basically a reprint?

As I mentioned in a sister thread, this information supplements that in Inner Sea Gods to a large extent. It focuses on the role of the gods themselves, how to handle divine intervention, and talks about their planar realms.

There's some reprint when it comes to listing things like their domains and sacred animals and the like, but a lot of new information when it comes to their allies and enemies and homes.

(It's always kind of bothered me that we never gave a name to the planar domains of most of the deities until now, or that we've never said in print which deities are lovers, or provided advice to GMs as to what to do if you want divine intervention in the game—THOSE are the topics, which are in large part not covered in any other product we've ever published, that I wanted to include in this book. Overall, the core 20 get much less than "2 pages per" though.)

I like to know that we are getting informations that were never confirmed "in print" and "not covered in any other product". *---*

Its kind of hard for gigas to be popular though because they only appear in adventure path bestiaries <_< I mean, how can something be popular when it doesn't ever have chance of appearing in normal bestiary?

Still saying that in 2e they should introduce more gigases since 2e statblocks are shorter than 1e. Besides, its not like Paizo has been above reprinting AP bestiary monsters before and nothing says they couldn't be altered if problem is that they don't have mechanical role.

I am very excited for this product. :)

Its kind of hard for gigas to be popular though because they only appear in adventure path bestiaries <_< I mean, how can something be popular when it doesn't ever have chance of appearing in normal bestiary?

Still saying that in 2e they should introduce more gigases since 2e statblocks are shorter than 1e. Besides, its not like Paizo has been above reprinting AP bestiary monsters before and nothing says they couldn't be altered if problem is that they don't have mechanical role.

Other monsters have made the transition out of the AP bestiaries into print... lots of them. When I say the gigases aren't popular, that also means that they are, for various reasons, not popular with some folks at Paizo itself. And if you don't have a lot of fans in the company itself as a monster, you've got an uphill battle for sure.

While you are here Mr Jacobs, could you tell us what monster types are NOT in the bestiary section?

While you are here Mr Jacobs, could you tell us what monster types are NOT in the bestiary section?

Not off the top of my head but I tried to include all of them.

Question. I assume that most monsters are outsiders, but is there anyway that this being the final book will have a couple of Monstrous Humanoids/Other types that fill the wholes in some spells?

This seems like our last chance (Especially in PFS) to get a Diminutive Monstrous Humanoid for MP3.

Question. I assume that most monsters are outsiders, but is there anyway that this being the final book will have a couple of Monstrous Humanoids/Other types that fill the wholes in some spells?

This seems like our last chance (Especially in PFS) to get a Diminutive Monstrous Humanoid for MP3.

"Filling the holes in spells" isn't something that's really a goal for us in creating monsters, to be honest. Monsters are GM tools first and foremost, and when there are player-facing rules that use monsters, that's cool but it's not the primary purpose of them. I get it that this means that for some of the polymorph spells there are "holes," but with a creative and/or permissive GM, that's not an issue. And if you really want to be a diminutive creature and you can't do so as a monstrous humanoid... pick a spell that does allow that option, I guess. Or talk to your GM about being able to make up your own versions of them (it's possible to re-size any monster in the game, after all), have your GM make up options, or pull in options from 3rd party sources. OR check out the hundreds of monsters we've published in the bestiaries of the Adventure Paths (and we've still got over a year more of those to come).

Anyway. Now that I'm in the office, which is where my advanced copy of the book lives, I can give a list of all the monster types in the book as a preview:

Yeah, in home games we just allow the small ones to be "Smaller" but for PFS it is a disappointment.

I am very excited about the book in general though. I love lore, in fact while many of my friends are rallying against 2e because of mechanics change I am excited, because to me the setting is pathfinder.

So a big ol' book about the planes of existence? Sign me up.

(Funnily enough I tried to subscribe to the line for early access and realized I was already a subscriber)

Is the construct inorganic, or is it one of those weird abyssal living constructs (like the retriever)?

Is the construct inorganic, or is it one of those weird abyssal living constructs (like the retriever)?

I've said too much already! :-P

(AKA the book will be out soon, so I don't wanna give everything away all at once...)

I was expecting at least one fey creature, and I wasn't expecting a monstrous humanoid at all. >.<'

Well, the Tane in the bock is somewhat filling the fey creature position.

Aw...I was HOPING for more undead!

Still looking forward to this book. :)

Would have liked at least one fey but wasn't expecting there to be any anyway.

Surprised there is a monstrous humanoid.

"Filling the holes in spells" isn't something that's really a goal for us in creating monsters, to be honest. Monsters are GM tools first and foremost, and when there are player-facing rules that use monsters, that's cool but it's not the primary purpose of them. I get it that this means that for some of the polymorph spells there are "holes," but with a creative and/or permissive GM, that's not an issue. And if you really want to be a diminutive creature and you can't do so as a monstrous humanoid... pick a spell that does allow that option, I guess. Or talk to your GM about being able to make up your own versions of them (it's possible to re-size any monster in the game, after all), have your GM make up options, or pull in options from 3rd party sources. OR check out the hundreds of monsters we've published in the bestiaries of the Adventure Paths (and we've still got over a year more of those to come).

To be honest I hope in PF2 you go for something more like how summoning monsters works in Starfinder. The polymorph subschool already stops the caster from getting almost all unique monster abilities, which means all that matters is natural attacks and movement methods. The only spell which is an exception is the Fey Shape line from Ultimate Wilderness, which gives you a bunch of actually powerful unique abilities, but comes with the problem of being a much worse spell the less sourcebooks you have.

I played a metamorph alchemist up to seeker levels in PFS, so I couldn't be creative or make new forms regardless of what the GM wanted. I went through every humanoid and monstrous humanoid in the bestiaries and adventure paths myself, and my master of shapeshifting used maybe about ten different forms total in their entire career (troglodyte, sasquatch, popobola, aquatic gargoyle, maenad, vouivre, tikabalang, gegeenes, thriae queen, and saurian) because almost all of them ended up being bite/claw/claw, with low light vision and/or darkvision.

Regardless, greatly looking forward to this book. Any chance of an "Outsider Shape" spell showing up?

Oooh, just thought of something. One of the most powerful spells in the game is Astral Projection. It is almost unbeatable, and allows traveling planes.

I wonder if this book will have a monster or item that can cut the cord? As no official thing exists in pathfinder.

I wonder if we're finally getting some variant half-celestial templates. Would be nice! (already have variant half-fiend templates, and I was disappointed they didn't add them in Heaven Unleashed).

Could someone remind me of how many pages each plane and each demiplane is getting?

I'm really anxious to know more about the positive energy planes, the manasaputra and the jyoti, as much as I'm curious about what will we get for the CR 20 Archon.

Could someone remind me of how many pages each plane and each demiplane is getting?

I'm really anxious to know more about the positive energy planes, the manasaputra and the jyoti, as much as I'm curious about what will we get for the CR 20 Archon.

Each plane gets 6 pages. Each demiplane gets 1 page.

Does anyone know what demiplanes are covered in this book?

Does anyone know what demiplanes are covered in this book?

Yes ;)

Is the American Dream located in here?

Is there any kind of a sneak peek or something about The Leviathan that you can share with us, O Great Tyrannosaurus Overlord?

Is there any kind of a sneak peek or something about The Leviathan that you can share with us, O Great Tyrannosaurus Overlord?

It can look you to worse than death.

Prince Setehrael wrote:

Is there any kind of a sneak peek or something about The Leviathan that you can share with us, O Great Tyrannosaurus Overlord?

It can look you to worse than death.

That surely matches its description from the Tanes' article...

Prince Setehrael wrote:

Is there any kind of a sneak peek or something about The Leviathan that you can share with us, O Great Tyrannosaurus Overlord?

It can look you to worse than death.

OH MY?!

Thank you for the tidbit.

John Ryan, I like how you think. every spell caster dumb enough to cast an astral representation of their soul should have possible consequences to that action.

Also, Gold Sovereign, is there a link to where James mentioned the possibility of other campaign setting bestiaries?

P.S.
James, Thank whoever chose to put an aberration, an ooze, and some plants in this book. My tentacled overlords approve. ;)

James, Thank whoever chose to put an aberration, an ooze, and some plants in this book. My tentacled overlords approve. ;)

That would be me, so thanks to me I guess.

Woo, looks like my order generated, very very excited. Hope it ships next week.

Does anyone know what demiplanes are covered in this book?

Todd Stewart wrote:

Yes ;)

Someone that hasn't worked directly on the book, or at least is willing to give more than a snarky answer.

ORDER IS PENDING. I am really excited to be getting this.

I really hope mine ships today, probably not, but I can dream!

Dot.

I have my copy if there are questions....

-Skeld

I have my copy if there are questions....

-Skeld

If you wouldn't mind, perhaps a list of the monsters, and their types, subtypes, and Challenge Ratings.

I have my copy if there are questions....

-Skeld

The Leviathan!!!

One of these is not in the book.

-Skeld

Skeld, PDF Prophet wrote:

I have my copy if there are questions....

-Skeld

The Leviathan!!!

Yes.

-Skeld

Thank you Skeld. Mind going into detail about the Bastion Archon?

Awesome! Looks like Leviathan isn't the only mythical creature in the book. Could you describe the Sirrush and the Empusa, please?

Thank you Skeld. Mind going into detail about the Bastion Archon?

-Skeld

Awesome! Looks like Leviathan isn't the only mythical creature in the book. Could you describe the Sirrush and the Empusa, please?

-Skeld

Mind telling us about the Watcher? Does it look like Stan Lee?

Mind telling us about the Watcher? Does it look like Stan Lee?

-Skeld

Is the watcher meant to watch a particular thing, or just things in general?

What is an Irii, anyway? What does it's base form look like? Is there a lot of interspecies conflict seeing as half of them are Lawful and the other half Chaotic?

Seeing folks talk about this book it basically feels like Christmas morning to me. :D

If I might ask a Skeld, are there any Barbarian archetypes in this book?