James Jacobs Creative Director |
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I was wondering what the solution was going to be for the boons' increased power level. I'm glad you found a solution that preserves their potency. ^_^
(PFS might need to issue a Campaign Clarification for the divine paragon cleric archetype, though, since it'll still get the boons at its own rate.)
PFS doesn't allow evil characters, so it's sort of a moot point since this book's about evil.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
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This book is sounding mighty good. Would it be possible to get a rough percentage estimate of how much material is in the book on each fiend type?
I'd say... 1/4 devils, 1/4 demons, 1/4 daemons, 1/4 all the rest. More or less what one would expect of a compilation product that gathers the three Books of the Damned into a hardcover and then adds what more or less amounts to a 4th 64 page book of the damned. It's not EXACT, because a fair amount of what was in those first 3 books (particularly among the monsters, but a few other crunchies) have been reprinted in other hardcovers and won't be reprinted in this book.
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If this book mentions(as in at minimum has that inner sea gods style "name, title, domains, favoured weapon" table) all bestiary mentioned demigods for all fiend species, I'd be really impressed and happy that they finally have more to them than names :D
The Gold Sovereign |
Given how much you're putting into limited space, I assume there won't be summaries of the fiendish demigods like in Chronicle of the Righteous?
1 - On Book of the Damned 2 we got five to six Nascent Demon Lords per page on their sectiom.
2 - As accordingly to Mr. Jacobs, the new section about the other fiendish demigods was based on the section about the Nascent Demon Lords.
So, by looking at the section in BotD 2 from the original trilogy, one could suppose that we are getting close to three demigods per half a page, six per page. With that you can presume how long the summary for each of them will be.
Its similar to the model used in Dragon Empires for the Tian-Xia faiths, and not like the half-page summaries we are used to see like in Strange Aeons' Elder Mythos section.
Again, this are all assumptions and one should not take this as official. ;)
The Gold Sovereign |
If this book mentions (as in at minimum has that inner sea gods style "name, title, domains, favoured weapon" table) for all "bestiary mentioned" demigods for all fiendish species, I'd be really impressed and happy that they finally have more to them than names :D
Indeed, my outer cousin.
Based on the section from which their own was based - the one for Nascent Demon Lords in BotD: Lords of Chaos - as I supposed in the post above, we might get not only the main "worshiper intended" content (domain, subdomain, etc.), but also short summaries for each of these demigods.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
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Given how much you're putting into limited space, I assume there won't be summaries of the fiendish demigods like in Chronicle of the Righteous?
For archdevils, Ahriman, the Queens of the Night, the demon lords, and the Horsemen, they each get a two page entry of boons/art/flavor. Domains/subdomains/favored weapon/similar info is given at the start of each entry, but these are not all compiled into a master table in the book (at least not at this time... if there's room, I'll consider adding these tables).
For pretty much all the rest, each one gets a short paragraph of flavor, an obedience, and three boons in the form of 3 spell-like abilities. For these, all of the domains/subdomains/areas of concern/favored weapon info is summarized on a table.
The Gold Sovereign |
For archdevils, Ahriman, the Queens of the Night, the demon lords, and the Horsemen, they each get a two page entry of booms/art/flavor.
Mr. Jacobs, did I misunderstood something?
Are we getting TWO pages for EACH of the Demon Lords? I mean... There's a good number of Demon Lords in the original Book of the Damned. Are we finally getting two pages and arts for each of those?
And the Queen of the Night as well? Two pages + art for each of the four Queens?
The Gold Sovereign |
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This book seems as more than worth the pause in the campaign setting line.
- 16 pgs for the Archdevils
- 08 pgs for the Horsemen
- 08 pgs for the Queens
- 02 for the lord of all Divs
- I can't guess the number of pages for the demon lords...
That's bigger than any other material on fiends I can remember...
Plausible Pseudonym |
I'm very sorry to hear that all of the daemonic harbingers are getting the treatment of low CR, also-ran, nascent demon lord chumps. A decent proportion should be senior guys who are potential horseman replacements and deserving of full boons. I'd like to have seen them developed further.
The same applies to a lesser extent with Dukes of Hell, but with 12 archdevils and queens getting the full treatment I can see why you stopped here rather than add in Furcas and several other senior dukes.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
This is sounding awesome thusfar!
Will it be including information and categorization of the assorted powers of Hell that haven't been confirmed as Infernal Dukes and lack domains thusfar (i.e. Astaroth, Glasya-Labolas, Nahemah, Nybbas, Orobas, Xaphan, and Zagan)?
Nope. Those don't really have roles in Golarion, and as such aren't characters we'll be covering in the book.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
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Will Camazotz make another surprise appearance (as he did in the first volume of the Book of the Damned series)?
Or has he been placed in 'limbo' for the time being until more is done on Arcadia (if he is indeed a major player there)?
Please & thank you.
--C.
What appeared about Camazotz in the original books is going to be reprinted here, but there's no new info on him.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
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James Jacobs wrote:For archdevils, Ahriman, the Queens of the Night, the demon lords, and the Horsemen, they each get a two page entry of booms/art/flavor.Mr. Jacobs, did I misunderstood something?
Are we getting TWO pages for EACH of the Demon Lords? I mean... There's a good number of Demon Lords in the original Book of the Damned. Are we finally getting two pages and arts for each of those?
And the Queen of the Night as well? Two pages + art for each of the four Queens?
That's exactly what I said. They all get two page entries; ammounts to about 1,400 words of text and an illustration for each, more or less.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
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Mr. James Jacobs,
Along with expanding material, did you take this opportunity to recast things we knew in a different light?
With the exception of continuing to focus on the Queens of the Night by that name rather than the other one, not really. I'm pretty pleased with how we've portrayed the fiends, and this book isn't gonna change that significantly.
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I'm very sorry to hear that all of the daemonic harbingers are getting the treatment of low CR, also-ran, nascent demon lord chumps. A decent proportion should be senior guys who are potential horseman replacements and deserving of full boons. I'd like to have seen them developed further.
The same applies to a lesser extent with Dukes of Hell, but with 12 archdevils and queens getting the full treatment I can see why you stopped here rather than add in Furcas and several other senior dukes.
You tell Vorasha or Folca that they're also-ran chumps! >:)
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The Gold Sovereign wrote:I can't guess the number of pages for the demon lords...Well, if I recall, there are thirty-one of them. So... 62 pages of demonic opposite-of-goodness.
The description for BotD V. 2 says over 40 Demon Lords, Pathfinder Wiki lists 32 plus 5 that are virtually unknown on Golarion...
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AlgaeNymph wrote:Given how much you're putting into limited space, I assume there won't be summaries of the fiendish demigods like in Chronicle of the Righteous?For archdevils, Ahriman, the Queens of the Night, the demon lords, and the Horsemen, they each get a two page entry of boons/art/flavor. Domains/subdomains/favored weapon/similar info is given at the start of each entry, but these are not all compiled into a master table in the book (at least not at this time... if there's room, I'll consider adding these tables).
For pretty much all the rest, each one gets a short paragraph of flavor, an obedience, and three boons in the form of 3 spell-like abilities. For these, all of the domains/subdomains/areas of concern/favored weapon info is summarized on a table.
Hopefully it'll answer how Zepar incorporates transformation into his areas of interest. I asked Wes, twice, but his answers were (understandably, given the context) cryptic (but still informative).
Speaking of Paizo's premier horror guy, is he involved in this book? I hope so. :)
The Gold Sovereign |
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The Gold Sovereign wrote:That's exactly what I said. They all get two page entries; ammounts to about 1,400 words of text and an illustration for each, more or less.James Jacobs wrote:For archdevils, Ahriman, the Queens of the Night, the demon lords, and the Horsemen, they each get a two page entry of booms/art/flavor.Mr. Jacobs, did I misunderstood something?
Are we getting TWO pages for EACH of the Demon Lords? I mean... There's a good number of Demon Lords in the original Book of the Damned. Are we finally getting two pages and arts for each of those?
And the Queen of the Night as well? Two pages + art for each of the four Queens?
Oh My Fiend God! This book surpassed all my expectations... I never dreamed about seeing all the fiend demigods in one book, let alone with two pages and art. That's far more than amazing! I'm really anxious now...
I can't even start imaging how many adventure hooks we will be able to extract from this pages... *-*
Thanks for the answer Mr. Jacobs.
Scholar of Damnation |
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Scholar of Damnation wrote:The description for BotD V. 2 says over 40 Demon Lords, Pathfinder Wiki lists 32 plus 5 that are virtually unknown on Golarion...The Gold Sovereign wrote:I can't guess the number of pages for the demon lords...Well, if I recall, there are thirty-one of them. So... 62 pages of demonic opposite-of-goodness.
It must be counting nascent demon lords and such; I was only counting those with full obediences and boons in BotD2, from Abraxas to Zura.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
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James,
are we getting a new obedience feat/feats, or will all the fiends grant boons using divine obedience?
The fiends use a Fiendish Obedience feat to grant their boons. You could use Divine Obedience if you want, though... but again, you'll need to increase the prerequisites for the Inner Sea Gods prestige classes by 2 levels if you go down that rabbit hole.
Plausible Pseudonym |
Plausible Pseudonym wrote:You tell Vorasha or Folca that they're also-ran chumps! >:)I'm very sorry to hear that all of the daemonic harbingers are getting the treatment of low CR, also-ran, nascent demon lord chumps. A decent proportion should be senior guys who are potential horseman replacements and deserving of full boons. I'd like to have seen them developed further.
The same applies to a lesser extent with Dukes of Hell, but with 12 archdevils and queens getting the full treatment I can see why you stopped here rather than add in Furcas and several other senior dukes.
I fear the amount of Daemonic content in this book relative to demons and devils is going to tell them that.
QuidEst |
Todd Stewart wrote:I fear the amount of Daemonic content in this book relative to demons and devils is going to tell them that.Plausible Pseudonym wrote:You tell Vorasha or Folca that they're also-ran chumps! >:)I'm very sorry to hear that all of the daemonic harbingers are getting the treatment of low CR, also-ran, nascent demon lord chumps. A decent proportion should be senior guys who are potential horseman replacements and deserving of full boons. I'd like to have seen them developed further.
The same applies to a lesser extent with Dukes of Hell, but with 12 archdevils and queens getting the full treatment I can see why you stopped here rather than add in Furcas and several other senior dukes.
You mean… an equal amount?
Plausible Pseudonym |
Plausible Pseudonym wrote:You mean… an equal amount?Todd Stewart wrote:I fear the amount of Daemonic content in this book relative to demons and devils is going to tell them that.Plausible Pseudonym wrote:You tell Vorasha or Folca that they're also-ran chumps! >:)I'm very sorry to hear that all of the daemonic harbingers are getting the treatment of low CR, also-ran, nascent demon lord chumps. A decent proportion should be senior guys who are potential horseman replacements and deserving of full boons. I'd like to have seen them developed further.
The same applies to a lesser extent with Dukes of Hell, but with 12 archdevils and queens getting the full treatment I can see why you stopped here rather than add in Furcas and several other senior dukes.
It doesn't sound like an equal amount of demigod two page spreads and full obediences. Based on what's been said the demons are getting a huge number, the devils at least a dozen, and the daemons maybe not more than four. Everyone else (dukes of hell and daemonic harbingers) is getting scrub-tier treatment equivalent to nascent demon lords. Hope I'm wrong and this has been poorly communicated.
QuidEst |
It doesn't sound like an equal amount of demigod two page spreads and full obediences. Based on what's been said the demons are getting a huge number, the devils at least a dozen, and the daemons maybe not more than four. Everyone else (dukes of hell and daemonic harbingers) is getting scrub-tier treatment equivalent to nascent demon lords. Hope I'm wrong and this has been poorly communicated.
Not an equal amount of demigod content, but James mentioned that the three main evil outsider groups each get (loosely) a quarter of the book. Less demigod content presumably means more space for other daemon content. Daemons don't have as many other books where they get fleshed out, so it makes sense to me.
FallenDabus |
O'Mouza wrote:Chris Lambertz wrote:Darkness has been unleashed, friends!
Announced for September, description and image are not final and subject to change.
Hi Chris!
If i have already the 3 campaign settings series "book of the damned" do i need to buy this or is just a reprint?
Thank you in advice for your answers!Depends how much you enjoyed those three books. And depends if the idea of getting boons for every major fiendish demigod (along with illustrations of each) is appealing.
The original Books of the Damned were 64 pages each. This hardcover compiles all of those books but doesn't compile any of the monsters (they've mostly all been reprinted) and puts brand new fiends of pretty much every fiend category into the bestiary section. And there's more information on all of the other critters as well... harbingers, kyton demagogues, sahkil tormentors, rakshasa immortals, oni daimyo, etc. Some of these, like the Queens of the Night or Ahriman, get a full two page writeup, while others are handled more quickly, a-la the Nascent Demon Lord section in Book of the Damned 2, with compiled boon information and short descriptions. Plus new spells and new demonic rituals and magic items and so on.
At the very least, check it out when you see it on the shelf.
If I were a customer and had my interests in this stuff unchanged, I'd say it's ABSOLUTELY worth buying after buying the previous books.
And... sold. This may be for Golarion's Cosmology, but anything remotely planer means it's time for me to hit the Great Wheel again. Serious, a book by James, Todd, and Wes on the fiends? It's a Planescape dream come true! Hell, I may even subscribe for this one!
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So if it is not to late some things I hope make it into this book:
- Manifestation Rules and Manifestations of some of the big bads
- The Kobold Quarterly articles covering Golarion's Lords of Hell (Not the articles as exact copies, but generally the information about Barbatos and Dispater included in them) also the new Devils and manifestions included in them.
1. Manifestations of Barbatos: Bearded Prophet and The Eyes and Name
2. New Devil: Edavagor
3. Manifestations of Dispater: Crown of Fire and Molten Throne
4. New Devil: Ascensoriel
- The 5 part web article about Golarion's Wayward Children of the Abyss (again not exact copies of the articles but generally the information and new monsters included in them)
1. Peacock Spawn
2. Smoldering Host of the Risen (Template)
3. Child of Malignant Symmetry
- Voice of the Damned, the Book of the Damned's self actualization (see Hell Unleashed)
Keeping my fingers crossed, at least until expectation management says otherwise :)