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Abandon All Hope!

As long as mortals have feared what awaits them after death, the threat of damnation has loomed. Powerful fiendish lords rule the deepest, darkest reaches of the Great Beyond: archdevils, demon lords, the Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and more. Such is the power of their evil that even angels cannot resist it—when one servant of Heaven cataloged all the evil in existence in the Book of the Damned, Heaven's judges doomed him to exile, appalled at what he had wrought. And now you hold those horrors in your hands!

Pathfinder RPG Book of the Damned explores the evil planes and their fiendish rulers as they exist in the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game. This imaginative tabletop game builds upon more than 10 years of system development and an open playtest featuring more than 50,000 gamers to create a cutting-edge RPG experience that brings the all-time best-selling set of fantasy rules into a new era.

Pathfinder RPG Book of the Damned includes:

  • Descriptions for dozens of archdevils, demon lords, Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and other fiendish divinities, including the foul boons they grant to their most devoted followers.
  • Explorations of otherworldly fiendish realms, including the infernal reaches of Hell, the death-haunted expanses of Abaddon, and the nightmare depths of the Abyss.
  • Several brand-new monsters to fill out the ranks of all 11 of the fiendish races, from sinister classics such as demons and devils to new favorites like asuras and sahkils.
  • New blasphemous rituals, magic items, powerful artifacts, and spells to arm your villains with or for heroes to discover and defy.
  • Three fiend-focused prestige classes, ready to vex and terrify adventurers who dare stand against their plots.
  • An extensive collection of in-world excerpts from the sinister pages of the Book of the Damned itself.
  • ... and much, much more!

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-970-7

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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Book of the Damned deals with many dark and intense concepts. The topic of demons and devils is not for everyone, nor is exploration of the themes these fiends embody and the practices they demand of their worshipers. You should make sure that your game group is comfortable with the contents of this book before using them in play—if even one player is uncomfortable with including some of the concepts in here, you should set those portions of the book (or the entire book) aside and focus on other plots for your game. Buyers should beware that the content of this book is not appropriate for all ages, and parents especially are encouraged to review the book before buying it.

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Five Evil Stars for a Five Star Evil Book!

5/5

Paizo's Book of the Damned does the nigh unthinkable in the increasingly politically correct gaming industry, in that it is filled with truly evil beings that commit hideous and offensive acts upon the universe. This book collects the best selling Book of the Damned series from Paizo and adds new parts here and there. If you have the previous books, it is still worth getting this for the new material, but your mileage may vary.

I absolutely love how much this book triggers people! I'd expect nothing less from a product called "Book of the Damned." The art is absolutely gorgeous, the lore is evocative and the evil contained within will help you unleash the hordes of heck on your unsuspecting players - and they'll thank you for it.

It's sold out now, so if you see a copy somewhere, snatch it up! This will be a much sought after collector's item for years to come.

Thank you for treating your customers like adults, Paizo. Every toolbox needs evil toys and this book helps fit that bill!


crappy overall

2/5

first 2chapters are horrid, the art is garbage. Last 3 chapters steadily grow better. I'd write more and have, but this stupid program keeps deleting my reviews! Therefore, PM me if you really want to know.


Mostly flavor for DMs, little use to players

1/5

I would not recommend this book to anyone except DMs who wanted a lot of deep flavor text on evil gods, evil planes and evil outsiders. The vast bulk of material is stuff that the DM can read in order to form a more coherent world view inside his head, but much of the material is such that it is not only useless to players mechanically, but even further, it is even difficult to convey to players flavor-wise.

Of the 280+ pages, about 120 (so almost half the book) is spent on detailing evil gods that were too small to receive full writeups in previous products. Gods like Baphomet, Dispater, Kostchtchie, Lamashtu, Mephistopheles, Moloch, Nocticula, Orcus, Pazuzu and Szuriel receive two-page writeups -- about 50 in total, covering about 100 pages. The other 20 pages in this section offer two-page writeups for 10 groupings like "Asura Ranas" and "Daemon Harbringers", giving brief detail to groupings gods even smaller than those who merited full two-pagers per individual. This section is essentially useless to players, but the DM can make some use of it for players by building cults that worship these guys and positioning them as enemies that have some of their background fleshed out thanks to this book. Having said that, spending almost half the book to detail the obscure gods of the guys who are going to be sword fodder for the players in three combat rounds? I think a hardcover slot could have been used for something much more useful.

The next 40 pages cover evil planes like Hell and Abyss. This, I think, is one of the more useful sections in the book, because at higher levels, players and campaigns are often going to be venturing into these environments, so getting more detail on them is very good stuff, and the DM can really use this as very concrete setting material for adventures. I actually wish that the art budget from the entire first section had been put into this section, because getting lots of cool images to use as visual aids to show players when they venture into a plane would have been extremely useful to me as a DM. Unfortunately, this is the smallest of the book's four sections, showing a big disconnect between what Paizo thinks we need and what I feel I need.

The third section is essentially the crunch section. Feats, domains, magic items, prestige classes and stuff like that. 95% of it is useless to players, and essentially exists just for the DM to build bad guy statblocks that the players are never going to see. There's a few occasional things that the players can use, like the Moon and Rivers subdomains, but by and large this section is useless unless you are the sort of DM who gets enjoyment out of building statblocks for your bad guys.

The fourth section is called a bestiary, but don't think it's like the Bestiary books simply presenting statblocks -- it has that too, but only about 14 of its 40 pages are statblocks for new monsters. The larger part of this section is flavor descriptions going over existing outsiders (like six pages for devils, six pages for daemons and six pages for demons) and giving them more flavor than existed previously. It's...not useless, I suppose. Some of the evil outsider flavor can be useful for DMs to flesh out encounters between evil outsiders and players. I guess this would be my second favorite section of the book, after the evil planes section.

Finally there's an appendix that presents excerpts from the in-world Book of the Damned in replica-like format as if you were reading the actual book. Kind of neat as a novelty but I didn't feel I got much use out of it.

So essentially there's five sections -- Gods, Planes, Crunch, Bestiary and Excerpts. Gods and Crunch are mostly only useful to build the bad guys of the campaign. Gods is more flavor side, Crunch is more crunch side. But I seriously question the decision to devote over half a hardcover to material that is mostly just useful to build the guys that might be dead in three rounds. My dislike for this decision is a big reason why I only give the book one star. Planes and Bestiary are more useful sections, but they are only about 80 of the book's 280+ pages. Bestiary is about as big as it needed to be -- I don't need any more flavor or statblocks that were presented there, so I wouldn't have wanted to see that section expanded further, but Planes could have and IMO should have been expanded far more. I could have used much, much more detail on the adventuring environments that I as DM could present to players.

Overall I just feel like this book was a big misstep and mis-gauge in what is useful. At least from my personal perspective -- other DMs may disagree. And it's miscategorized -- this book should have been in the DM-focused Campaign Setting line like Inner Sea Gods, to which it is sort of an evil sequel, rather than in the core line where, IMO, books should be more player-useful.

I should add one exception. This book could be really useful and worth its price if you are running an evil campaign. In that case, all the evil gods stuff and evil crunch stuff will actually be player-useful, which rockets the utility of this book upward. If you are running an evil campaign, I would actually consider this a four-star book.


Reprints and Bad Artwork

1/5

The best thing about the new Book of the Damned that can truly be said to be original to it, is the completed list of obediences. The rest of the material consists of reprints from the prior Books of the Damned, or retcons to that material that create new problems. As seems to be the usual case, the demons and the devils take the lion's share of the material, while the daemons, despite theoretically being among the Big Three of the fiendish races, are left to language in comparative obscurity; minor demon lords receive longer write-ups than in prior books, and Asmodeus' Queens of the Night get full write-ups for the first time, but among the deamons the Horsemen and the Horsemen alone receive any attention.

Perhaps the worst thing about the book however, is the artwork. While there are a few good, new pieces, usually marking the spaces between sections, most of the individual portraits of the archfiends are reprints from prior books or stunningly ugly (or in the case of the archdevil portraits from Bestiary 6, both).

I loved the prior Books of the Damned and wanted to like this book. In the end though, what little new material there cannot compensate for the book's faults, and the bad quality art makes it actively cringe-inducing to look on. Save yourself the money and buy something else.


A Compelling Compilation of Corruption

4/5

As many other reviewers have said, this book is largely reprinted material from the "Book of the Damned" line of Campaign Setting books that came out a while back. As someone who has, and loves all of those three books, I have to say...

This book is great. I was a fan of the concept of the Book of the Damned, and it being compiled together like this fills me with dark joy. It does what it says as well, and the staff were up front about the reprinted material, so I enjoy it for what it is, which is a gathering up of their fiend-related material from the earlier books and some other far-flung sources, such as the devil contract mechanics from the Hell's Rebels adventure path and the more in-depth description of the Book of the Damned itself from Hell Unleashed. Having all of these things together in one place is handy, though it does appear some subjects, such as the demonic grafts, didn't make it into this book. Regardless, it's good for that reason alone.
Thankfully that isn't the only reason this book is good. It also expands on the fiendish boon system introduced in Lords of Chaos, handing out boons to the diabolical and daemonic demigods, and introduces, at least in passing, many of the more obscure evil entities in the setting. More interestingly to me, it does so in such a way that gives ample seeds and ideas on how to stat such demigods up, should we be so inclined. That coupled with more concrete rules on the various evil rituals also teased at in the earlier books and a mini-bestiary in the back help round out the book nicely.

This book isn't perfect, however. While it may not be of much concern to someone being exposed to this material for the first time, I personally found some of the changes and minor tweeks to the existing material a bit jarring. The diabolist prestige class was a notable example, with its new alignment restrictions and curtailing of spellcasting levels feeling more like a hurried effort to make it fit the formula of the other two fiend-inspired prestige classes than any effort to help modernize it. For one thing, I think that this means that the diabolist is no longer available for PFS play, for those who participate in that. Likewise, I would have liked to see a bit more space devoted to some fiends other than the three big 'D's. Some new fiendish archetypes would have been fun as well, and the missed opportunity bums me out just slightly.

Over all, this book is a pretty solid four stars. The reprinted material is very helpful for first-timers who haven't gotten the three previous Campaign Setting books, though I don't think I could recommend the hardcopy version to someone who already has them. It's got lots of info on evil deities and rituals, a few nifty items, a few new foes, and enough flavor to keep readers entertained through it's two-hundred ot pages. What it doesn't have is a ridiculous amount of new material, or a ton, or really any, PC-friendly options outside of a very evil campaign. But then again, it'd be a poor look out if a curse'd tome of vile lore helped look out for the good guys.


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Rysky, you're a stalker, but you're so totes adorbs about it, that I don't mind. For now. '-)

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^w^

(Has no idea what's going on)


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I have no idea either Rysky, but I DO love the new cover art. :)

Plus RITUALS! :D


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Cover caption contest!

"The Iron Lord crashes the meeting after his repeated calls were answered only with 'new phone, who Dis?'"


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I hope we'll get some more information on the deal Pharasma made with the Daemons and that was mentioned in their soft cover. Pharasma leaving the back door of the Boneyard open to them still surprises me.

I'm also curious if we'll get at least a new tidbit on Tabris, the author of the in-game version of the Book of the Damned.


Cuàn wrote:

I hope we'll get some more information on the deal Pharasma made with the Daemons and that was mentioned in their soft cover. Pharasma leaving the back door of the Boneyard open to them still surprises me.

I'm also curious if we'll get at least a new tidbit on Tabris, the author of the in-game version of the Book of the Damned.

As far as I know (first pages of the BotD3), there was no special deal between them. Pharasma simply did not have a portal to Abaddon for a long time and the daemons just kept pestering her (and threatened to steal even more souls). In the end, she realized that she could not withhold the souls destined for Abaddon forever. Thus, she gave them their portal as well (just like the portal to the abyss).

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James Jacobs wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:

I'm rather curious about how are you handling Orcus in this book. Is he getting two pages with rules, flavor and art as all the others? Orcus was among the Demon Lords in Lords of Chaos, and that's why I'm asking - specially because of the illustration.

I know I might have asked this before, as illustrations are one of my favorite parts of the flavor in the book - but are all the "two pagers" getting illustrations?

Every two page entry gets its own illustration, yes. That means there'll be illustrations of all demon lords, all arch devils, the horsemen, the queens of the night, and Ahriman, along with several more illos of other fiendish demigods. Most of them are new illustrations, since we prefer not to reprint illustrations once they have appeared in other hardcovers.

From the Hardcovers specifically? Does that mean we'll be seeing reprints of Deskari's art from Wrath of the Righteous? I hope not. I'm really looking forward to new Deskari art.

Adam Daigle wrote:
I'm flattered and appreciate your compliment! I hope to do more with them in the future, but this book reveals a bit more them than we were able to do with a few Bestiary pages, so that's a good start.

Since you're almost certainly the person who would know, will there be any mention of Fluumphs in this book?

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Stratagemini wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
The Gold Sovereign wrote:

I'm rather curious about how are you handling Orcus in this book. Is he getting two pages with rules, flavor and art as all the others? Orcus was among the Demon Lords in Lords of Chaos, and that's why I'm asking - specially because of the illustration.

I know I might have asked this before, as illustrations are one of my favorite parts of the flavor in the book - but are all the "two pagers" getting illustrations?

Every two page entry gets its own illustration, yes. That means there'll be illustrations of all demon lords, all arch devils, the horsemen, the queens of the night, and Ahriman, along with several more illos of other fiendish demigods. Most of them are new illustrations, since we prefer not to reprint illustrations once they have appeared in other hardcovers.

From the Hardcovers specifically? Does that mean we'll be seeing reprints of Deskari's art from Wrath of the Righteous? I hope not. I'm really looking forward to new Deskari art.

Adam Daigle wrote:
I'm flattered and appreciate your compliment! I hope to do more with them in the future, but this book reveals a bit more them than we were able to do with a few Bestiary pages, so that's a good start.
Since you're almost certainly the person who would know, will there be any mention of Fluumphs in this book?

From the hardcovers specifically, yes. Deskari's art in particular is reprinted from Wrath.

There are no flumphs in the book.

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James Jacobs wrote:
Stratagemini wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Every two page entry gets its own illustration, yes. That means there'll be illustrations of all demon lords, all arch devils, the horsemen, the queens of the night, and Ahriman, along with several more illos of other fiendish demigods. Most of them are new illustrations, since we prefer not to reprint illustrations once they have appeared in other hardcovers.

From the Hardcovers specifically? Does that mean we'll be seeing reprints of Deskari's art from Wrath of the Righteous? I hope not. I'm really looking forward to new Deskari art.

Adam Daigle wrote:
I'm flattered and appreciate your compliment! I hope to do more with them in the future, but this book reveals a bit more them than we were able to do with a few Bestiary pages, so that's a good start.
Since you're almost certainly the person who would know, will there be any mention of Fluumphs in this book?

From the hardcovers specifically, yes. Deskari's art in particular is reprinted from Wrath.

There are no flumphs in the book.

Awwww... I was hoping for all new art, too.

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Baroth wrote:


As far as I know (first pages of the BotD3), there was no special deal between them. Pharasma simply did not have a portal to Abaddon for a long time and the daemons just kept pestering her (and threatened to steal even more souls). In the end, she realized that she could not withhold the souls destined for Abaddon forever. Thus, she gave them their portal as well (just like the portal to the abyss).

That would be my reading of that text as well FWIW, though that assumes of course that the BotD and its sources for those events were telling the truth.

There's typically going to be that caveat even when the reading of the events is (as in this case) pretty solidly behind one specific interpretation, just to allow GMs the room to spin the events and the campaign ramifications thereof in their own way, to fit their own campaign plots. I personally appreciate unreliable narrators and historical ambiguity for specifically that purpose.

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Yeah, there's like five different "creation of the universe"/"we came first" stories. It's very much a pick-your-own-canon situation. ^_^


*picks his cannon that James Jacobs wrote a story and then some how it sprang to life*

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New image for the book. seems like the tome is currently being offered by CHARON- most powerful and oldest among the 4, NOCTICULA-a Demon-lord who seems to be potentially on the cusp of ascending to godhood, and DISPATER- The lowest in Cr of the 3(CR-27), but still one of the oldest of Asmodeus's retainers. If this was a Battle, it would become a Bloodbath very quickly.

And They are simply offering a Book who's knowledge holds such dark powers, such evil magics and potent damnation, that the in game version is only encountered in copies. and those are often primary tools used by the forces of evil for their schemes. I imagine the original is probably FAR WORSE. like good paladin must roll will save upon reading its contents, or have their alignment shift dramatically to evil.

but again, that is just my feelings about this. What the Book of the Damned is within your campaign is your choice.


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So excited for this book!

I've been a fan of fiends (specifically demons) since the Demonomicon of Iggwilv articles written by James Jacobs for Dragon magazine years ago. They are (IMO) some of the best articles to have been released in Dragon. They not only tipped the balance to me becoming a D&D player and DM, but also set me upon the path of following James' work all the way to Pathfinder back in 2008.

Since then I've spent many hours having fun with friends DMing and playing Pathfinder. I've enjoyed seeing Pathfinder's take on the various fiendish races, and many other things besides. Needless to say, I'm glad that the Book of the Damned is finally getting its due. And the cover art (Nocticula by Wayne Reynolds!) is fantastic as always. While I know producing these amazing books is very much a team effort by all the great people at Paizo, I wanted to give a shout-out to James here.

SO PUMPED. GO JAMES! YOU ROCK!


Damn! Amazing cover art! I can't wait to get this!

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So I guess this book won't have collection on info on evils of Celestials? : D

I'm making jokes about how Ramifications section on Artifacts and Legends states that the reason why Tabris got banished and book separated into volumes is that combined Book contained also info on angelic corruption and other evil deeds done by celestials, so I'm wondering since this is combined reprint of three volumes that it will do same thing xD

Anyway, I wouldn't really care for either way, unless it would explain why Paizo keeps trying to make Good aligned outsiders morally grey when they should be good by nature. Seriously, its confusing

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CorvusMask wrote:

So I guess this book won't have collection on info on evils of Celestials? : D

I'm making jokes about how Ramifications section on Artifacts and Legends states that the reason why Tabris got banished and book separated into volumes is that combined Book contained also info on angelic corruption and other evil deeds done by celestials, so I'm wondering since this is combined reprint of three volumes that it will do same thing xD

Anyway, I wouldn't really care for either way, unless it would explain why Paizo keeps trying to make Good aligned outsiders morally grey when they should be good by nature. Seriously, its confusing

Uh, it actually doesn't say that. The reason the Celestials wanted the book destroyed was because of how evil it was, and because how everything involved in it's creation had corrupted Tabris, it wasn't them hiding any dirty secrets.

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Rysky wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:

So I guess this book won't have collection on info on evils of Celestials? : D

I'm making jokes about how Ramifications section on Artifacts and Legends states that the reason why Tabris got banished and book separated into volumes is that combined Book contained also info on angelic corruption and other evil deeds done by celestials, so I'm wondering since this is combined reprint of three volumes that it will do same thing xD

Anyway, I wouldn't really care for either way, unless it would explain why Paizo keeps trying to make Good aligned outsiders morally grey when they should be good by nature. Seriously, its confusing

Uh, it actually doesn't say that. The reason the Celestials wanted the book destroyed was because of how evil it was, and because how everything involved in it's creation had corrupted Tabris, it wasn't them hiding any dirty secrets.

I can give you quote from Artifacts & Legends page 15 on ramifications of the artifact:

"Sacred Apocrypha: When the angelic hosts reviewed the works of Tabris, they expected to be confronted by all the profanities of fiends and their unholy lords. What they didn’t expect was their brother’s unflinching thoroughness when it came to the most regretful deeds of the celestial races and deities of light. The angelic scholar’s works chronicled innumerable strained compromises between celestials and fiends, instances of unholy deception, successions and sacrifices made for greater goods, occurrences of angelic corruption, massacres on divine battlefields, alliances between opposed deities, and catalogs of slain empyreal lords—in short, a collection depraved enough to undermine nearly any mortal faith. These records, not the bold confessions of fiends, were what led the folios known as the Book of the Damned to be scattered, as only when these foul pages are united is the so-called apocrypha to the book’s sister volume, the Chronicle of the Righteous, revealed."

I can see why some reviewers on some books(I remember seeing that type of complaints on Heavens Unleashed reviews for example) think that Paizo for some reasons tries to make good outsider as bad as evil ones :D

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Ah, my apologies, I would have noticed that if I read the effects of the Artifact instead of just the description >_<

Looking it over I don't think it's making Good Outsiders as bad Evil ones, just pointing out their failings and the existence of Fallen ones. So f@&!-ups, yes. But by no means does those f+~!-ups make them the same as Evil Outsiders, or even close.

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Rysky wrote:

Ah, my apologies, I would have noticed that if I read the effects of the Artifact instead of just the description >_<

Looking it over I don't think it's making Good Outsiders as bad Evil ones, just pointing out failings and the existence of fallen ones.

I think that text kinda implies it contains info on evil deeds done by good aligned deities, which I would find very weird if that is really the case. Well, either way, does make me wonder if hardcover will touch on Sacred Apocrypha. I mean, I guess fallen celestials are almost fiends? But yeah, I kinda doubt that will get mentioned since book is fiend focused.

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CorvusMask wrote:
Rysky wrote:

Ah, my apologies, I would have noticed that if I read the effects of the Artifact instead of just the description >_<

Looking it over I don't think it's making Good Outsiders as bad Evil ones, just pointing out failings and the existence of fallen ones.

I think that text kinda implies it contains info on evil deeds done by good aligned deities, which I would find very weird if that is really the case. Well, either way, does make me wonder if hardcover will touch on Sacred Apocrypha. I mean, I guess fallen celestials are almost fiends? But yeah, I kinda doubt that will get mentioned since book is fiend focused.

The only thing on that is "alliances between opposed deities"... which could be anything. The war against Rovagug is a notable one.

And we might get stuff for Fallen Celestials since they make some of the stronger fiend demigods :3


I doubt we'll get fallen celestials in a book. Mostly because it's kind of a short list.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
I doubt we'll get fallen celestials in a book. Mostly because it's kind of a short list.

Another way I could see it being touched could be short article on what makes celestial fall into evil? I mean, to be honest, it should be as weird occurrence as fiend becoming good aligned, sure evil is easier than good, but thats for mortals, when you are personification of alignment it gets weird :D


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The Asmodeus section of Inner Sea Gods does mention that Asmodeus has made deals with all of the major core deities except for Rovagug and Lamashtu. How those deals would be judged would vary greatly depending on whether your source of information about any given deal is Asmodeus or the other deity.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
I doubt we'll get fallen celestials in a book. Mostly because it's kind of a short list.

Asmodeus and all of his original legions is a short list?


Plausible,

It's short because I don't think many of them are left...


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
I doubt we'll get fallen celestials in a book. Mostly because it's kind of a short list.
Asmodeus and all of his original legions is a short list?

Well... I'm a bit confused...

The Queens of the Night are supposed to be fallen celestials - not all the four, as at least one was a psychopomp.

Baalzebub and at least three other of the Archdevils of Hell are also fallen celestials - Mephistopheles is the first Devil, Belial was created, Geryon was an Asura Rana and Barbatos is something else...

I can't remember a demon who was once a celestial...

So, what did you mean by "no fallen celestials" Blaine? Are you talking talking about the ways to make a celestial fall from grace?


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Presumably fallen celestials will just be referenced in the specific demigod article. Strikes me that a separate table of origins wouldn't be the most useful use of space for this book.


Gold,

I just meant that it wouldn't be enough to justify making a 150 page book...

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There are plenty of fallen angels and the like in this book, but they're all unique individuals. That's the best way to handle this story element, in my opinion (as well as the risen fiends angle); to custom-build these characters as needed. A template cheapens the concept and normalizes it and suggests that it's a common enough occurrence that there needs to be design shortcuts to building them, so no fallen/risen template in this book or anytime soon from Paizo.


Thank you Mister Jacobs! :)


Forgive if this has already been answered, but will we be getting some of the Demigods of some of the other Fiendish races? Like the Asura Ranas, The Oni Damiyo, and the Rakshasa Immortals specifically. Those are something I am interested in seeing.


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CrinosG wrote:
Forgive if this has already been answered, but will we be getting some of the Demigods of some of the other Fiendish races? Like the Asura Ranas, The Oni Damiyo, and the Rakshasa Immortals specifically. Those are something I am interested in seeing.

Yes, but generally not the sort of full spreads that, say, infernal dukes get. They'll get obediences that grant SLAs rather than unique abilities.


That's fine, I don't really need full spreads. I will just settle for their worshiper stats (What domains they grant, their portfolios) and I can fill in the blanks myself.

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Not related to this book(since I don't think it did statting for any of the demon lords), but would be nice to have lot of nascent demon lords and infernal dukes and other such fiends in bestiary or something similar in the future. I mean, demigod fiends are cool, but they are harder to use since paizo doesn't support mythic player content much these days. Besides, 21-25 fiends don't usually have realms so no need to think about their realms for adventures were you use them : D


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CrinosG wrote:
Forgive if this has already been answered, but will we be getting some of the Demigods of some of the other Fiendish races? Like the Asura Ranas, The Oni Damiyo, and the Rakshasa Immortals specifically. Those are something I am interested in seeing.
Yes, but generally not the sort of full spreads that, say, infernal dukes get. They'll get obediences that grant SLAs rather than unique abilities.

Actually, the infernal dukes will get the same treatment as the other "minor demigods" - by that I mean they are getting spells as boons.

The ones getting unique boons are the Archdevils, the Demon Lords, the Horsemen, the Queens of the Night and Ahiriman.

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James Jacobs wrote:
There are plenty of fallen angels and the like in this book, but they're all unique individuals. That's the best way to handle this story element, in my opinion (as well as the risen fiends angle); to custom-build these characters as needed. A template cheapens the concept and normalizes it and suggests that it's a common enough occurrence that there needs to be design shortcuts to building them, so no fallen/risen template in this book or anytime soon from Paizo.

Are there any Daemons who rose to start serving Pharasma? Not just in this book, but I mean, at all?

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Stratagemini wrote:


Are there any Daemons who rose to start serving Pharasma? Not just in this book, but I mean, at all?

Not off the top of my head, but that would be a fascinating character to write up or use in a campaign.

Risen fiends tend to be monstrously more rare than fallen celestials in general, but whenever I've used them in a campaign they do tend to be some of the most fascinating and complex characters, especially if they're in a transitional state of not precisely risen quite yet and still figuring out what they want, what they believe, and as a result what they truly are and will become.


I have a question about the book. Are the Rakshasa Immortals, Asura Ranas, Kyton Demagogues, Sakhil Tormentors, and Oni Daimyos featured within the ones that were namedropped in the Bestiaries?

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Wannabe Demon Lord wrote:
I have a question about the book. Are the Rakshasa Immortals, Asura Ranas, Kyton Demagogues, Sakhil Tormentors, and Oni Daimyos featured within the ones that were namedropped in the Bestiaries?

More or less, yes. There's a few more than those, in some cases, but it's pretty much those lists. If I remember correctly.


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Great. Those lists have been teasing me for years.


Will the previous lore sections of Asmodeus being the First alongside Ihys and all that be rewritten to be in line with the 'new lore' (cough-RET-cough-CON-cough) from HR onwards that describes him as a far less powerful, ancient, and lore-important deity that Book of the Damned Vol 1 initially set him up as?

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Tuvarkz wrote:
Will the previous lore sections of Asmodeus being the First alongside Ihys and all that be rewritten to be in line with the 'new lore' (cough-RET-cough-CON-cough) from HR onwards that describes him as a far less powerful, ancient, and lore-important deity that Book of the Damned Vol 1 initially set him up as?

Probably no more than all the other "new" lore about his origins spread throughout Pathfinder's history. Azzy's got a bunch of origin stories.

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Tuvarkz wrote:
Will the previous lore sections of Asmodeus being the First alongside Ihys and all that be rewritten to be in line with the 'new lore' (cough-RET-cough-CON-cough) from HR onwards that describes him as a far less powerful, ancient, and lore-important deity that Book of the Damned Vol 1 initially set him up as?

I hope not, I'm fine with Asmodeus's origin story being so obscure and confused that not even the metanarrative is consistent. He has the trickery domain, after all.

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Perhaps, he is Golarion's version of the Joker. After all, if his origins are indeed obscure and confusing, I can imagine the Prince of Darkness saying the iconic lines: "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes I remember it another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!".


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So I am setup for the preorder on this, but does anyone know when the preoders ship out?

What day they charge for the preorders?

ect...

I am so ready to have this in my possession.


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Prince Setehrael wrote:

So I am setup for the preorder on this, but does anyone know when the preoders ship out?

What day they charge for the preorders?

ect...

I am so ready to have this in my possession.

Since the PDF becomes available September 27th, this book should ship out around the middle of September and reach you within a few days of the 27th. If you monitor the monthly shipping thread pinned to the top of the Customer Service forum, you should get an idea of the flow of events for the monthly shipments.


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The final cover looks appropriately wicked!


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Will there be previews for this in the Paizo Blog in the coming months?

I'm just soooo excited for this book that I'm brimming with Infernal Glee.

I'm constantly rereading the BotD Vol. 1-3 and Hell Unleashed I just love all the options and the Lore in them. It really gets the Hellfire pumping in the veins.

My Bestfriend is more for the Necronomicon and Elder Mythos

But the Book of the Damned is my baby.

I just need more tid bits to satisfy this Fiendish fix.

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Prince Setehrael wrote:
Will there be previews for this in the Paizo Blog in the coming months?

Certainly! But, as we're still three months away from street date, those won't be coming until later. We're excited about this book too, so don't you worry about us not crowing about it closer to release. :)

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