doubledope |
Just as an update from my side: Thalia.de doesn't deliver the box anymore.
Sadly.
I am a bit sad though, this would have been my first box of at least a couple I would buy, but seeing as there is no real alternative to gathering a lot of the same I am probably going to explore different solutions than this. meh..
littlediegito |
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When you see listings like that it's worth remembering that because something is listed on a site for a certain amount does not mean that it is selling for that amount, or even that anyone is buying it. Many sites do not charge listing fees so sellers can list an item at whatever dollar amount they want and hope that someone bites. If the listing expires they are out nothing, and can just relist it.
In my years of collecting action figures I have seen the same listings from the same sellers with very large price tags for years at a time. It costs them nothing to list it and maybe one day someone who either doesn't know better, has the money and doesn't mind the price, or is desperate for the item will buy it for that ridiculous price.
Rovewin |
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Yea, I get it. I do not really believe that anyone is interested in paying that amount for this product and I see no evidence of anyone having paid that amount for it or even similar items.
I just thought it comical that it was listed for so much and wanted to draw attention to it. It was outrageous when it was listed for $600 a few weeks ago.
I'm sure this has more to do with the sellers' algorithms that each increase their prices over the other's until it reaches their predetermined limit of $50,000. - However, I have no qualms in also offering the product for a similarly ridiculous price.
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BTW, for anyone interested in my copy, the $45,000 includes a $5,000 (10%) off which is my Rainy Day discount that is only good until the end of March. After which it will go back up to $50,000. So act now! And remember, it's free shipping! The seller on Amazon is charging $3.00 for shipping. I won't gouge you on the shipping. It's free.
BenS |
^ Steve, I was imagining something along the lines of an in-house Kickstarter by Paizo, where those interested in purchasing a reprint of this would literally put their money where their mouths were. If enough people signed up to order it, even allowing for some last-minute cancellations, then Paizo would know if it were indeed financially viable.
If you'll pardon the pun, I just think that sometimes one has to think outside the box...
Steve Geddes |
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^ Steve, I was imagining something along the lines of an in-house Kickstarter by Paizo, where those interested in purchasing a reprint of this would literally put their money where their mouths were. If enough people signed up to order it, even allowing for some last-minute cancellations, then Paizo would know if it were indeed financially viable.
If you'll pardon the pun, I just think that sometimes one has to think outside the box...
The trouble is always one of print run size. In order to sell them at $24-99, they need to print (say) 10,000 copies. If everyone who has posted in this thread represents 10 people who would buy a copy, that’s like probably 1000 copies. If Paizo were to only print to meet demand, the price per unit would be exorbitant. Not many would back a kickstarter if the price per box was $150 or something. The trouble from paizo’s Perspective (as I understand it) is how long it would take to sell through the tail that would result from overprinting sufficiently in order to keep retail prices sensible.
(Obviously those numbers are fictitious, but hopefully the point is clear. I’ve looked at printing 32 page Player Companions and the per/unit price differences in ordering 4, 100, 1000 and 5000 are incredible - from memory it was something like $80 - $40 - $4 - $1.80 or something for those pagecounts).
Don’t get me wrong - I’m not trying to stop people saying what they want. I just think it’s useful to understand the issue. I think the likely solution is going to be a Monster Codex Two (or similar) - a product with new pawns filling a similar niche. That way, Paizo will get sales through retail and subscribers as well as from people looking for useful “army building” pawn bases.
It’s not going to be perfect, but Vic and co have looked into it deeply. I’m sure they’ll reprint one if it becomes feasible. It would be a mistake to put their reticence down to disinterest or obliviousness.
Super long term, I’m hopeful that Paizo will eventually find a Print-on-demand service that meets their quality and reliability standards at a reasonable pricepoint. I know they’ve been looking into that (on and off) for years. If that were to eventuate, the whole “out of print” issue would disappear.
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Jhaeman |
I feel really bad for you guys--honest. As a collector (of a lot of different things), I know how frustrating it is when something just can't be found anywhere. I'm now paranoid that other Paizo products on my "buy someday" list will meet the same fate.
Anyway, I just wanted to chime in with the suggestion to place some automated "wishlist" alerts on e-bay, etc. With the new edition, there will inevitably be some disgruntled people who do a mass sell-off of everything they own from first edition; some copies of the box might turn up on the secondary market over the next year and a half.
Cotgrave |
Hi All,
Returned to playing with my sons and ran into the unavailability of the Monster Codex Box soon after.
Poked around and started seeing it pop up at under $40US on Amazon.fr (France's Amazon) as "New" and "shipped and sold by Amazon" with an expected pre-order release date (Thank you Google Translate!).
This would pass, go out of stock, and then it would post a new release date to pre-order. With Amazon's guarantee the next time it came up I jumped. Ordered on May 24th, it arrived today.
It came in its original cellophane as-is and the box was a bit beat up and smells a bit musty (sitting on a warehouse shelf somewhere I figure)so I figured at best it was used. Popped it open and it is indeed NEW, unpunched with unopened stands and all. Amazing. :)
Thought I would post here for those looking, you might want to keep and eye on Amazon.fr!
Hope this helps, they are definitely out there!
Marco Massoudi |
I know it isn't a reprint, but in june there will be an Enemy Encounters pawn collection coming from Paizo, which contains some of the creatures in the Monster Codex Box.
Adam Daigle wrote:
"When I put together this set, my plan was to make it complimentary to the very popular and sold out Monster Codex Pawn Box. The first seven sheets of these pawns feature a group of like monstrous enemies, and the final sheet is some useful terrain tiles so that you can set up battles on a Flip-Mat. I hope folks like this collection."
"One of the sheets contains two different groups due to size and the die. There are a few accompanying critters, but it's mainly humanoid foes. The set includes many of the same creatures in Monster Codex: duergar, troglodytes, orcs, gnolls, kobolds, ogres, mixed goblinoids, and then a sheet of undead."
"There's a mix of new art and art picked up from previous publications."
djdust |
I purchased the pdf version to print out, glue to card stock, tape to existing pawns, etc.
I was planning to print as needed, right now my group is facing down an orc invasion, so I printed off the 4 pages that include orcs, only to find that many images had a black background when printed. This isn’t a huge deal, but ink ain’t cheap and I personally think the images look better against white... plus the red outlines denoting the pawn shape are not visible.
The black does not show up on the pdf, nor does it show on the print preview. Before I print anything else, has anyone else encountered this? Is there a solution?
Thanks!
Unikatze |
I purchased the pdf version to print out, glue to card stock, tape to existing pawns, etc.
I was planning to print as needed, right now my group is facing down an orc invasion, so I printed off the 4 pages that include orcs, only to find that many images had a black background when printed. This isn’t a huge deal, but ink ain’t cheap and I personally think the images look better against white... plus the red outlines denoting the pawn shape are not visible.
The black does not show up on the pdf, nor does it show on the print preview. Before I print anything else, has anyone else encountered this? Is there a solution?
Thanks!
Sounds more like an issue with your printer or your PDF software settings.
Also. One box has made it's way to ebay. There's one day left on the bid and it's going pretty high.
But I thought I would share.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Pathfinder-Pawns-COMPLETE-MONSTER-CODEX-BOX-extreme ly-rare-and-out-of-print/283462680103?hash=item41ffb13e27:g:9pgAAOSwNpdcwXa b
morairtym |
Also. One box has made it's way to ebay. There's one day left on the bid and it's going pretty high.
But I thought I would share.https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Pathfinder-Pawns-COMPLETE-MONSTER-CODEX-BOX-extreme ly-rare-and-out-of-print/283462680103?hash=item41ffb13e27:g:9pgAAOSwNpdcwXa b
$405, Yep not enough demand that's fore sure.
Rysky |
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Unikatze wrote:$405, Yep not enough demand that's fore sure.
Also. One box has made it's way to ebay. There's one day left on the bid and it's going pretty high.
But I thought I would share.https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Pathfinder-Pawns-COMPLETE-MONSTER-CODEX-BOX-extreme ly-rare-and-out-of-print/283462680103?hash=item41ffb13e27:g:9pgAAOSwNpdcwXa b
$400 dollars is nowhere near enough to justify a whole new print run.
Matt Filla |
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Unikatze wrote:$405, Yep not enough demand that's fore sure.
Also. One box has made it's way to ebay. There's one day left on the bid and it's going pretty high.
But I thought I would share.https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Pathfinder-Pawns-COMPLETE-MONSTER-CODEX-BOX-extreme ly-rare-and-out-of-print/283462680103?hash=item41ffb13e27:g:9pgAAOSwNpdcwXa b
Seriously, people need to quit equating "a couple of people are willing to pay a crazy price on eBay" with "there is enough demand out there to justify a large enough print run to make the price reasonable (and the associated inventory storage costs, etc)". They are not related.
Marco Massoudi |
On the side of positive news, now that 2e is coming, there will possibly eventually be a 2e Monster Codex, which would mean a new Monster Codex Box.
So far, pawns for second edition have not been announced.
I am not sure that there will be any, but if they will, the first product will be a Bestiary box with most creatures only getting one pawn.The second one would be a "Age of Ashes" pawn set.
Seeing how D&D only offers pre-painted & unpainted miniatures through Wizkids, which sell VERY good, i am not sure if it wouldn't be smarter for Paizo to do the same.
September's/october's "Legendary Adventures" Pathfinder Battles set seems to have some fire/dragon-themed minis (Fire Giant, Chimera with red dragon head, Dragon Turtle).
Rysky |
Seeing how D&D only offers pre-painted & unpainted miniatures through Wizkids, which sell VERY good, i am not sure if it wouldn't be smarter for Paizo to do the same.
Seeing as how they don't offer pawns that is precisely why it is a good reason for Paizo to continue making pawns.
They all sell out as well. Not to the extent of justifying a reprint, but they do sell out.
Marco Massoudi |
Marco Massoudi wrote:Seeing how D&D only offers pre-painted & unpainted miniatures through Wizkids, which sell VERY good, i am not sure if it wouldn't be smarter for Paizo to do the same.Seeing as how they don't offer pawns that is precisely why it is a good reason for Paizo to continue making pawns.
They all sell out as well. Not to the extent of justifying a reprint, but they do sell out.
I just looked and only 2 of 14 pawn collections are sold out - the two oldest.
Also two out of ten boxes are sold out and two out of five special sets are gone.
BV210 |
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For those interested, I started a thread about a year and a half ago about making your own pawns from the Monster Codex Pawns PDF. Monster Codex Pawns I was unable to find a physical copy so I did the next best thing. I think they turned out pretty well. Others in the thread had their own methods that would probably work equally well. Anyway, that's my 2 cents and I'll hush.
Unikatze |
As far as I'm aware, the only sets that are currently unavailable are Rise of the Runelords, Skulls and Shackles, Monster Codex and Heroes & Villains (the only one I'm missing :( ). Bestiary 1 was sold out at one point and going for ridiculous prices, but they eventually did a reprint.
Since no alternative Pawn subscription was announced for 2E I just assumed they would continue the current one since the pawns should work regardless of the edition.