Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Inner Sea Gods (PFRPG) Hardcover

Rhuarc wrote:

Will the campaign setting books be skipped for Jan/Feb 2014 because we get this large one in March instead? Or haven't you announced those two books yet?

I'm pretty sure we are just skipping those months to give everyone a chance to save up for this book AND give my staff time to make it awesome!

-Lisa

Actually, we're only skipping February. January will have the Wrath of the Righteous Poster Map Folio, but we haven't created a product page for it yet.

+1 for the anticipation ...

But will it include the deities of Tian Xia, etc.?

Nope—this is why it's Inner Sea Gods and not Gods of Golarion.

You should update the description then, "This 320-page hardcover sourcebook details the chief gods and goddesses of Golarion" is suggesting otherwise. Especially if you don't necessarily want to intimate that Gods popular in Avistan/Garund are some how 'chief' over Gods with followings elsewhere.

I take it James L. Sutter is locked in a basement somewhere while working on a massive 400 page planar hardcover to complement this? It has been almost 4 years since a book, an OGL version no less, covering the planes has been released.

Luckily Twitter offers us some insight on the everyday activities of James L. Sutter.

*checks Twitter*

Bad news, everyone! Twitter has just recently informed me that the artist formerly known James L. Sutter has imploded into a pile of nutritious mulch while at PaizoCon. But great news, everyone! This mulch is highly nutritious and will be perfect for harvesting Vegepygmies, which, as you all know, will often loot the remains of the creature that created them for fetishes, so expect to see a horde of Vegepygmies roaming Paizo HQ with Sutter's eyes and teeth fashioned around their necks like amulets. Now, you will undoubtedly be able to identify the clan's highly volatile Chieftain by his possession of Sutter's glasses.

So are we getting a prestige class for each deity or only some of them?

I wish it was "Gods of Golarion" that would be awesome.

Am I the only one who is a bit "Meh" about this?

I don't really use the gods beyond a thumbnail and we already have that - I don't really major on them in anyway in the campaign except for a touch of flavour.

This as a campaign hard cover when the Dragon Empires have just been teased, and there has yet to be a soft cover of each area in detail - it seems a waste of a slot.

I hope that, if this does not do well, they do not rethink further campaign hard covers, as I don't think this will be typical of the reaction you might get to a book covering countries or areas where you might actually adventure.

Well it's rare that they do Campaign Hardcovers, and this one was pretty highly asked for. Still, I am hoping for an Arcadian Gazetteer announcement for GenCon :D

I would love to see hardcover books for Distant Worlds, Arcadia, Azlanti, Garund, Vudra, Sarusan, Tian Xia, and Planes/Demi-planes.

And my buddy said that Paizo's running out of ideas. Brilliant! I'm expecting this like kid expects christmas!

I hope that, if this does not do well, they do not rethink further campaign hard covers, as I don't think this will be typical of the reaction you might get to a book covering countries or areas where you might actually adventure.

Think about it: *most* campaigns have characters that are interested in gods to some degree, but relatively few campaigns have any particular interest in, say, Taldor.

This is why Gods & Magic has been one of the best-selling books in the Campaign Setting line (and it's about to go out of print, by the way...). The only regional book in the line that has sold out is Guide to the River Kingdoms, which did especially well because Kingmaker was so well received... but we also printed less of it than Gods & Magic.

Just to get this on the table: I not only want, but demand, that this include reprints/rewrites of SKR's writeups.

I take it James L. Sutter is locked in a basement somewhere while working on a massive 400 page planar hardcover to complement this? It has been almost 4 years since a book, an OGL version no less, covering the planes has been released.

Shush, you will startle James before they have a chance to chain him up and take down...

Me too...

Just to get this on the table: I not only want, but demand, that this include reprints/rewrites of SKR's writeups.

Those are great.

However, a one page index of them an leaving the rest for new content would be preferable.

Just to get this on the table: I not only want, but demand, that this include reprints/rewrites of SKR's writeups.

No. I already have (and paid for) those. New material please.

Either way, I'm interested in seeing what they do with Erastil, since his article was retconned as incorrect.

Either way, I'm interested in seeing what they do with Erastil, since his article was retconned as incorrect.

Same. I am a little disappointed in the change, but it's for the better I feel.

What about his article was retconned?

His misogyny. People felt that a good deity shouldn't be misogynistic. But, I'd rather not get into this on this thread.

Thanks for the info Odraude.

The statements made about him that many people have interpreted as misogyny. I can understand people interpreting those statements as misogynistic.

However, I agree with Odraude. If you are really curious, just search Erastil in the boads.

This book makes me happy in so many ways. I always try to give my PCs a patron deity, even if they aren't a divine character, so any extra crunch for non divine is freakin awesome.

As I said on the now locked thread, I would be totally OK if this book complies and updates the AP stuff, and I kinda expect it to.

Between those entries, the minor writes up in the ISWG, the info from Gods and Magic, plus the stuff from the Faiths books, I believe the core deities are pretty well covered already and I think it would be kinda ridiculous to expect this book to be 100% brand new material.

It would hella awesome if it was all new stuff, but I would be surprised if it was, in a good way.

I don't mind if the fluff isn't new. It's the crunch I want to see.

I find it a pain to find what I want about deities, I'm either digging through APs its binder I've put together myself. This is a book I've been craving, The crunch is also a nice bonus.

Paladin of Asmodeus as a Prestige Class, please! *grins*

I'm pretty sure the paladins of Asmodeus were retconned out. Which is fine by me. Hellknights fit the bill much better.

Paladin of Asmodeus could probably be done good by a Pathfinder take on Blackguard.
(fallen Pally->LE PrC with on-par powers)

I think the whole brouhaha with JJ and "Paladin of Asmodeus" was just a misunderstanding of terms,
"Paladins of X Deity" has NO mechanical meaning implying worship or receiving powers of a Deity (outside the 1 PrC that is linked to a Deity, which isn't brought up at all), the article never mentions worship or allegiance to Asmodeus.
The article in question just described how Asmodeus liked working with Paladins, deviously undermining their morals until they inevitably fall. (at which point the Blackguard PrC makes sense, if they don't Atone and change their path) That is never even stated to be conscience allegiance, much less worship, on the part of the Paladin, who may not even be consciously aware of Asmodeus' role as far as the article goes, since it could all be thru intermediaries (although since they can explicitly work with Evil, they could be aware they are working with Asmodeus and still be fine).
I see the "Paladin of Asmodeus" trope as applicable either to fallen Paladins (who still lack a PRPG Blackguard PrC), or to Paladins in danger of falling (who inevitably will if they don't extricate themselves from Asmodeus' plans). Or just to highlight the uncomfortable co-existence of LG and LE, which CAN (explicitly) work together for common goals (like fighting CE demonic hordes) where both sides are content with the outcome. Seems like an interesting enough niche to explore further.

So are we getting a prestige class for each deity or only some of them?

I wish it was "Gods of Golarion" that would be awesome.

Hah! That was the first question I had for James too. I recalled his desire to have a cleric per deity, but the word-count beast killed that idea. He said that, while that would be awesome, there isn't enough space for a PrC per-deity. It sounds like some of the prestige classes are going to be a bit more general than that, but still heavily tied to the deity.

Interesting to see some Deity or Sect-specific (or 'especially appropriate') Druid archetypes...

I am very excited about this book.

My little wish would be a small section on the forgotten Azlanti Gods.

But will this book contain information on Aroden?
Not spoilers of course, but a write-up, domains, classes, and the like. Not everyone might play in the current era and there's always time travel.

I feel this book is way overdue, but maybe it actually is coming at the right time. Either way, I'm going to be impatient for this book to come out.

But will this book contain information on Aroden?

Not spoilers of course, but a write-up, domains, classes, and the like. Not everyone might play in the current era and there's always time travel.

This makes perfect sense. Some additional "Dead" deity entries would be nice for non-Golarion campaigns which might have more than 1 such being that still "lives" on. Who is to say that Aroden might be gone only from the people of Golarion and just kicking along somewhere else? Gods are odd things.

Hmm... I hope it at least has smaller articles on non-inner sea as well as non-main 20 gods...

Will this probably include most of the crunch from Gods and Magic, and some equivalent of the fluff? It's one of the books I'm debating picking up if I can.

I feel this book is way overdue, but maybe it actually is coming at the right time. Either way, I'm going to be impatient for this book to come out.

It *is* kind of overdue, but it's also something we couldn't really do until now.

NICE!

Looking forward to those prestige classes too!

OMGs !!! I need this NOW !!!

I so want to see the Church of Razmir detailed just as if it was a real religion. Please, pretty please ?

But even without that, I am a sucker for all things divine, of faith and belief (or lack of BTW, though this will probably not be the good book for a detailed take on atheism in Golarion).

I want a chapter dedicated to Azlanti and Thassilonian gods as well as gods of Ghol-Gan and Serpentfolk.
And another dedicated to atheism in Rahadoum.

I hope the book will have some elder god love and some love for dead or missing gods.

These prestige classes are they all new ones or are there going to be updates of 3.5 ones like speherwalker?

Brutal Ben wrote:

I feel this book is way overdue, but maybe it actually is coming at the right time. Either way, I'm going to be impatient for this book to come out.

It *is* kind of overdue, but it's also something we couldn't really do until now.

I'm curious as to what has changed recently that allows you to do it now rather than earlier?

Looking forward to the book.

Jessica Price is my guess.

Hmmm, am I the only one who fears that this may end up being a lot of reprinted stuff from the AP entries on the individual gods?

I'd actually be very glad to have all the deity articles in one book instead of zillion AP episodes with me never remembering where is which one.

I'm kind of shocked by just how underwhelmed I feel about this book.

Between the lack of stats for gods/avatars (especially since Mythic will have been out for quite some time when this book is released), the continued expansion of class/feat/spell/etc. bloat, and what I'm guessing will be quite a bit of rehashing from Gods & Magic and the various AP articles on the gods, I'm not sure how much is here that I'll really find interesting.

That said, hopefully I'll be proven wrong by some very strong fluff writing on the character of the gods themselves and the details and history of their religions, a la TSR's old Faiths & Avatars book.

Now, this is more like it! I was just grumbling about the Strategy Guide and, then, heard about this - big sigh of relief. Guess Paizo will be getting some of my money, next spring, after all. It will be nice to have all of this info in one place, rather than scattered over lots of other books. New spells, traits, etc. are always welcome, too.

My only concern: it would have been nice to include gods from Tian Xia, Vudra, etc. (kind of takes away from the "all of this info in one place" otherwise). Still, that does leave all the more room for the Inner Sea gods (which are the ones that get used the most, by far) and character-related stuff - so, not a major beef.

Which makes me think of a wildly tangential question: is there any chance that the Pathfinder Campaign Setting line is ever going to do more with Vudra? Seems like an interesting place to tinker with, but it gets ignored a lot.

It's been said that Vudra needs rules for psionics, so it has to wait until such rules are out.

It's been said that Vudra needs rules for psionics, so it has to wait until such rules are out.

Well, we have Dreamscarred's stuff (including the massive new hardcover on the horizon). Seems good enough to me. I suspect Paizo may think so, as well, since they don't seem inclined to touch psionics, themselves. Honestly, it would be hard to beat the work Dreamscarred has been doing.

Yes just as Gorbacz said they want to have rules for psionics/psychic magic. Though who knows when that will be....other then the people at Paizo.

I would love too see stuff for Vudra and all other continents, other planets, and some of the other planes.

Pathfinder's version of psionics will be called psychic magic and will be nothing like the magic point system from past systems.

Gorbacz wrote:

It's been said that Vudra needs rules for psionics, so it has to wait until such rules are out.

Well, we have Dreamscarred's stuff (including the massive new hardcover on the horizon). Seems good enough to me. I suspect Paizo may think so, as well, since they don't seem inclined to touch psionics, themselves. Honestly, it would be hard to beat the work Dreamscarred has been doing.

From what's been said about this, Paizo isn't a fan of the power-point system, which is one of the reasons why they wouldn't just use DSP's system.