
zergtitan |

Weren't they December 25th for the PDF just a few days back? Did they get pushed to a day later?
I believe part of that was so that some of the staff could be at hand on the day of the PDFs release since many people take the 25th off due to well the fact that a fat man commits domestic invasion the night before.

Barachiel Shina |
It was Dec 18th but Paizo keeps pushing their products back every month I think it is ridiculous to even bother putting up a date.
Paizo, it would be better to just say "Mid to Late December" next time. As of right now, every product I see on your site I personally add another week to it because you've been pushing back products for so long it seems.

zergtitan |

Okay I also want to know how Pathfinder does Cambion, and also I don't need the stats per say yet, I would like this to be one of those day after Christmas PDF gifts to myself (*sigh*), But I would like some description about Nocticula's abilities (more fluff less crunch I will have that later).

Heine Stick |

Cambions (CR 2) are the progeny of incubi mating with mortal mothers, the twist being that the mothers remain in the Abyss throughout their pregnancy, thus exposing their unborn child to the energies of the plane. So, cambions aren't spawned by sinful souls as other demons are. They are born as demons.
They get sadistic strike (treat wielded weapons as if the cambion has Improved Critical) and sinfrenzy, which is an ability tied somewhat to the mortal parent's greatest sin.

Generic Villain |
And waiting for download availability as usual... *sad face*
Also: still showing Dec 26th for PDF as availability date. *not only sad but also confused face*Ruyan.
It caught me by surprise too. My confirmation email included this tidbit:
This order has been processed and finalized for shipment. It can no longer be altered.
Was that always included? If not, it may be that Paizo is now unlocking PDF downloads earlier than they otherwise would have. Perhaps they got sick of us all whining about having to wait for shipment to access the PDFs? In which case yay! Whining works!
I could be completely off here. I often am.

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Tirisfal wrote:Whoa....
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Do tell, do tell, do tell.
Oh, if you can say, how many HP & HD does she have, and what's her CHA modifier?
And the lamhigyn are...

Drock11 |
As if the Malcanthet/Demogorgon coupling from ye olde Savage Tide weren't bad enough, now there's some very unsettling talk about... things... happening between Nocticula and Jubilex.
With Malcanthet at least she could make the case that Demogorgon is king of the roost, or as much as a demon can be among it's own kind, and there were extremely significant political and tactical benefits for it. Plus the relationship also allows her to stick it to her ancient rival Shami-Amourae that much more.
With Nocticula not so much. With Nocticula's penchant for offing so many other demon lords I would think others would be wary of a relationship with her at this point, but I suppose she's very good at her job. The slime and oozes portfolio doesn't seem like something she would want to take over either.
It does make me wonder how the Malcanthet and Nocticula would get along if they both existed in the same setting. I'm going to go off on a limb and think not very well.

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Generic Villain wrote:As if the Malcanthet/Demogorgon coupling from ye olde Savage Tide weren't bad enough, now there's some very unsettling talk about... things... happening between Nocticula and Jubilex.With Nocticula not so much. With Nocticula pencent for offing so many other demon lords I would think others would be wary of a relationship with her at this point, but I suppose she's very good at her job. The slime and oozes portfolio doesn't seem like something she would want to take over either.
Lubricant?

FallenDabus |

Drock11 wrote:Lubricant?Generic Villain wrote:As if the Malcanthet/Demogorgon coupling from ye olde Savage Tide weren't bad enough, now there's some very unsettling talk about... things... happening between Nocticula and Jubilex.With Nocticula not so much. With Nocticula pencent for offing so many other demon lords I would think others would be wary of a relationship with her at this point, but I suppose she's very good at her job. The slime and oozes portfolio doesn't seem like something she would want to take over either.
GAHHHH!
*Dumps in Bleach directly into his brain*Anyhow, she must be very good at her job and I suspect she doesn't off *every* lord or lady she gets into a relationship with. Just the ones that are useful to her dead or aren't useful to her alive.

Aliasalias |

So here you are:
If she uses domination against a humanoid creature, she may instead choose to use the ability as a swift action, and it functions as dominate person. As long as the target is under this effect, it gains a +4 profane bonus on all saving throws against targets other than Nocticula.
save DC is Charisma-based.
The combination of these two powers makes her capable of dominating almost anyone with stats i.e. who is not a full god.She has some other crazy abilities like profane ascension which I'd better not spoil prematurely.

Abhremoch |

So here you are:
** spoiler omitted **
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The combination of these two powers makes her capable of dominating almost anyone with stats i.e. who is not a full god.She has some other crazy abilities like profane ascension which I'd better not spoil prematurely.
Wow!!!
What is that about?

Aliasalias |

Aliasalias wrote:So here you are:
** spoiler omitted **
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The combination of these two powers makes her capable of dominating almost anyone with stats i.e. who is not a full god.She has some other crazy abilities like profane ascension which I'd better not spoil prematurely.
Wow!!!
Pretty crazy that she can target both Will and Fortitude and with a DC of 43... wow!!Someone was talking before of the "Profane Ascension ability".
What is that about?
A powerful boon bestowed to a mortal through an action of passion which can be turned into deadly effect at her whim.

Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal |

Strictly speculating given that I have yet to receive notification of my order being sent, but given that Succubi have a supernatural ability called Profane Gift, which allows them to grant a profane bonus to a willing mortal's Ability at the expense of becoming basically a satellite sensory organ for the Succubus in question; I would suspect that Profane Ascension allows something along the lines of probably either granting a Mythic Tier or possibly even opening up a Mythic Path for a previously non-Mythic individual at the cost of making them little more than a puppet for Nocticula.
But I'm simply speculating here...

Drock11 |
I don't understand why her seductive presence requires a fortitude save instead of a will save. The only reason I can think of is a near complete metagame one by the designer that purposely wanted to counter anybody loading up on being able to resist any metal influences which even knowing nothing specific about her a character with half a brain could easily reason as it would be something blatantly obvious any epic/mythic succubus lord would have.
Still it seems counterintuitive of how saves are supposed to work, and a somewhat cheaterish, even considering she's one of the most powerful beings a player can ever confront. It would have been better to give her a poison or something similar that accomplished the same thing if they wanted an in setting rational for effecting fortitude. It would have made sense.

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I don't understand why her seductive presence requires a fortitude save instead of a will save. The only reason I can think of is a near complete metagame one by the designer that purposely wanted to counter anybody loading up on being able to resist any metal influences which even knowing nothing specific about her a character with half a brain could easily reason as it would be something blatantly obvious any epic/mythic succubus lord would have.
Still it seems counterintuitive of how saves are supposed to work, and a somewhat cheaterish, even considering she's one of the most powerful beings a player can ever confront. It would have been better to give her a poison or something similar that accomplished the same thing if they wanted an in setting rational for effecting fortitude. It would have made sense.
Think of it as her very presence being so intense it's targeting your body rather than your thinking mind. She makes you just act the way she wants you to. Your higher brain functions never even enter into it, so there's not really a Will save for it. Pure physiological defense, or lack thereof.

Aliasalias |

I don't understand why her seductive presence requires a fortitude save instead of a will save. The only reason I can think of is a near complete metagame one by the designer that purposely wanted to counter anybody loading up on being able to resist any metal influences which even knowing nothing specific about her a character with half a brain could easily reason as it would be something blatantly obvious any epic/mythic succubus lord would have.
Still it seems counterintuitive of how saves are supposed to work, and a somewhat cheaterish, even considering she's one of the most powerful beings a player can ever confront. It would have been better to give her a poison or something similar that accomplished the same thing if they wanted an in setting rational for effecting fortitude. It would have made sense.
The double saves function just like the double saves for a phantasmal killer spell. If both saves are will, then many any creature with low will save will immediately suck even if has immunity of mind-affecting effects.

yuling |
I don't understand why her seductive presence requires a fortitude save instead of a will save. The only reason I can think of is a near complete metagame one by the designer that purposely wanted to counter anybody loading up on being able to resist any metal influences which even knowing nothing specific about her a character with half a brain could easily reason as it would be something blatantly obvious any epic/mythic succubus lord would have.
Still it seems counterintuitive of how saves are supposed to work, and a somewhat cheaterish, even considering she's one of the most powerful beings a player can ever confront. It would have been better to give her a poison or something similar that accomplished the same thing if they wanted an in setting rational for effecting fortitude. It would have made sense.
For example, if both saves are will, even the mighty Oliphaunt won't stand a chance against Nocticula, due to its relatively low will save.

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I agree with Kvantum above regarding the saves.
Btw, did they recycle then Lord of Chaos art or did they make a new one?
And if yes, is it better?
Also, is Nocticula good in pure damage dealing or is it her weak spot so to speak?
Different art, not as good IMO. As far as the combat aspects...
Also, I think there's an error in her DR. Shouldn't she have DR --/good rather than --/lawful? Every other demon lord's DR is --/good, even for Dagon, whom you might mke a case for --/lawful as a former Qlippoth lord.

Axial |

So basically, she's like an ultra-succubus.
This is a lot of cool stuff, but as a character Nocticula doesn't really interest me that much. I dunno, maybe I just don't like oversexed female villains.
Now, Baphomet on the other hand...I can't wait to see what he can pull off! ;) especially considering he's the mastermind behind the Templars.

Mythic Tirisfal |

Someone was talking before of the "Profane Ascension ability".
What is that about?
This ability grants a powerful boon at a tremendous cost.
Nocticula can use this power while committing an act of passion with a willful mortal. The mortal's name burns itself upon her already rune-covered wings, while a mark is burned somewhere on the mortal's body. The mortal can see in the dark, is granted a +6 profane bonus to one ability score, and a +4 bonus to a second ability score. In exchange, Nocticula may speak telepathically with the target at will, and use any of her other spell-like abilities through them.
Nocticula can end this effect as a free action, causing 4d6 Charisma damage as the crimson rune is ripped off of the target's body, and imparting 1d10+10(!!) permanent negative levels D:
Essentially, you do not want the first date to go well with Nocticula D:

Alleran |
With Nocticula not so much. With Nocticula's penchant for offing so many other demon lords I would think others would be wary of a relationship with her at this point, but I suppose she's very good at her job. The slime and oozes portfolio doesn't seem like something she would want to take over either.
I think it's mentioned somewhere that she's killed demon lords before, but chose not to take over their portfolios because she didn't want them. So "not wanting the portfolio" may not be all that much protection.
So here you are:
** spoiler omitted **
** spoiler omitted **
The combination of these two powers makes her capable of dominating almost anyone with stats i.e. who is not a full god.She has some other crazy abilities like profane ascension which I'd better not spoil prematurely.
You know, those two abilities will punch straight through any form of mental defense that I can think of (off the top of my head, anyway). The standard response of Protection From Evil and/or Clear Spindle + wayfinder, coupled with a Mind Blank (total of +8 resistance against mind-affecting and immunity to new charm/compulsion attempts)? Worthless unless you can make that save, because your protection from mind-affecting effects will go down.
Wait, no. It targets the Fortitude save.
Undead type:
- "Immunity to any effect that requires a Fortitude save (unless the effect also works on objects or is harmless)."
- "Immunity to all mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, morale effects, patterns, and phantasms)."
The seductive aura is not harmless and does not work on objects. So be undead, and you should be able to keep your immunities in place
Other than that, though, I can't think of anything offhand that would stop her unless there's something in Mythic Adventures for it. A nasty little trick, it is.